Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[ChineseTiger1986]

Don´t be deluded the US sees Israel as it´s pawn nothing more it has never been the other way. The US is the master and protector and Israel is the servant not the other way around like conspiracy theories like to say.

If someone wants Israel he has to go thru the US first via 3 ways..

1. Diplomacy (To offer the US something in exchange for Israel)

2. Directly taking out the US first (Militarily)

3. something happening to the US such as civil war or natural disaster will open the way for ceasing Israel

The US is indeed Israel's big brother.

But Israel has well-played to bind itself with the US interests.

One of the biggest motivation for the US to protect Israel is because of petro-dollar.

The democrats have realized the vulnerability of the petro-dollar, that's why they were trying to compete with China for the renewable energy at any cost, but soon or later, the petro-dollar will collapse under its own weight.

The republicans have been too addictive with the fossil fuels, and they can never get rid of its dependence on the petro-dollar. That's why they are more enthusiastic to support Israel than the democrats, but it doesn't mean that they like Jews more than the democrats.

The main concern of the US is to compete/fight with China, and they don't have any energy left to stay in the Middle East.

 

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Sure.

This blind religious faith is why the region is full of idiots with zero critical thinking skills and are completely dominated by a small tribe.

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@tower9
You don't think these women in Syrian jail deserve justice?... Just so you can continue to live your perverse fantasies of preserving Hezbollah. Hezbollah belongs in Lebanon not Syria.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Greater Israel mumbo jumbo is nothing more than conspiracy theories and psyop ..... Israel will be very happy and content to hold what she already has .

It has been proven to be real.

However, the US will be the first to oppose it.

They always want to keep Israel within its control.

 

[mythbuster]

Because S Korea and Japan are vassals? The situation isn’t even comparable.

Why not ? Americans also have troops stationed in the middle East , thanks to Iran for that .

 

[mythbuster]

The US is indeed Israel's big brother.

But Israel has well-played to bind itself with the US interests.

One of the biggest motivation for the US to protect Israel is because of petro-dollar.

The democrats have realized the vulnerability of the petro-dollar, that's why they were trying to compete with China for the renewable energy at any cost, but soon or later, the petro-dollar will collapse under its own weight.

The republicans have been too addictive with the fossil fuels, and they can never get rid of its dependence on the petro-dollar. That's why they are more enthusiastic to support Israel than the democrats, but it doesn't mean that they like Jews more than the democrats.

The main concern of the US is to compete/fight with China, and they don't have any energy left to stay in the Middle East.

Not really , I am with tower on this point. .....Israel is the puppeteer .

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

China has learned from its century of humiliation. The Middle East is going through it right now and the frustrating part is that many don’t even realize it.

The life and death duel between China and the US is already ongoing.

The more the US has been hindered by the Middle East conflict, the better for China to win this duel.

China's renewable energy has greatly reduced its dependence on the Middle East oil, and the US has just lost its competition with China on renewable energy.

So they are still dependent on the petro-dollar, and they cannot afford to ditch Israel, then got hindered by further conflict in the Middle East.

China is poised to win this competition.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Not really , I am with tower on this point. .....Israel is the puppeteer .

Well, they know how to kidnap the US by binding their interests together.

However, their own power is still too miniscule to be a superpower.

 

[newb3e]

what will happen to russian naval base in syriya now? it was their only naval station in middle east a big loss for russia? what is the future of Iran supply line to hezb or their allies shia allies? what about kurds will they push for independence?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

what will happen to russian naval base in syriya now? it was their only naval station in middle east a big loss for russia? what is the future of Iran supply line to hezb or their allies shia allies? what about kurds will they push for independence?

Russia will try to negotiate with the future regime in Syria to preserve their military base.

Iran will try to preserve some footholds in Syria.

The rebels backed by Turkiye gonna fight the Kurds backed by the West.

Syria will just become as chaotic as Libya.

 

[hasn2009]

Damascus fell, I am not sure who to support. But those who are taking over seems to be similar to Taliban and will cause anarchy after Assad is gone.

Assad belongs to a sect that is a minority sect of Islam, not sure if it’s considered Muslim by the Shias as well or not…

So he was controlling over the country predominantly a Sunni Muslim. He was bound to go sooner or later just like Saddam Hussain. But his sudden fall is shocking and clearly foreign backed.

Assad was alawite who are not considered muslims by shia, though his wife was sunni muslim and so was majority of his army.

 

[That_Guy]

Assad controlling the border didnt stop them from bombing Syria every few days, also it didnt stop them from toppling Assad regime, but what excuse they have now? Do you really think they will hurt Israel?

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They literally JUST took over, and Israel is already pissed. Israel literally bombed multiple rebel weapons depots.

It's not a secret that Israel wanted Assad to stay in power.

This is not a good argument. Also, that pic of yours proves nothing.

 

[Liquidator]

Damascus fell, I am not sure who to support. But those who are taking over seems to be similar to Taliban and will cause anarchy after Assad is gone.

Assad belongs to a sect that is a minority sect of Islam, not sure if it’s considered Muslim by the Shias as well or not…

So he was controlling over the country predominantly a Sunni Muslim. He was bound to go sooner or later just like Saddam Hussain. But his sudden fall is shocking and clearly foreign backed.

They are not Muslim plus he has allot of blood on his hands. His demise was inevitable....

Diplomatic solution only way forward now and all parties need to understand they have one common enemy....the European squatters on their land.

Unfortunately There are so many factions many of whom have received dubious support we don't know how this will pan out.

 

[hasn2009]

They literally JUST took over, and Israel is already pissed. Israel literally bombed multiple rebel weapons depots.

It's not a secret that Israel wanted Assad to stay in power.

This is not a good argument. Also, that pic of yours proves nothing.

You cant be more naive, what proofs do you have Israel needed Assad in power?
The proofs i have against your logic:

1. Israel's recent bombing of Lebanon/Syria border crossings so that no hezbollah help is able to reach Syria to rescue Assad
2. Rebels imposing siege on Lebanon so that anti-Israel forces are trapped and cannot be re-supplied, hence effectively paralyzing the only effective armed resistance against Israel.(Most important reason why rebels were revived)
3. Continuous bombing runs from US air force on PMF from Iraq which was trying to rescue Assad, while no action against the rebels, rather armed training provided by US and the injured rebels treated in Israel.
4. WEST/US media white washing the ISIS cut throats in media even on CNN, and labelling the cut-throats as reformists and never as terrorists, while at same time labelling hezbollah as terrorists who never harm civilians, even Israeli civilians
5. Multiple leaks and whistle blowers from US proving ISIS/al-qaeda is on US/Israel interests.
6. Israel's partner and NATO member Turkey leading the effort to topple Assad

And the most obvious of all, Iran/Russia trying to save Assad, this is enough proof Israel didn't want Assad in power. I can go on and on, but you can still choose to be naive.

 

[FHN]

You cant be more naive, what proofs do you have Israel needed Assad in power?
The proofs i have against your logic:

1. Israel's recent bombing of Lebanon/Syria border crossings so that no hezbollah help is able to reach Syria to rescue Assad
2. Rebels imposing siege on Lebanon so that anti-Israel forces are trapped and cannot be re-supplied, hence effectively paralyzing the only effective armed resistance against Israel.(Most important reason why rebels were revived)
3. Continuous bombing runs from US air force on PMF from Iraq which was trying to rescue Assad, while no action against the rebels, rather armed training provided by US and the injured rebels treated in Israel.
4. WEST/US media white washing the ISIS cut throats in media even on CNN.
5. Multiple leaks and whistle blowers from US proving ISIS/al-qaeda is on US/Israel interests.
6. Israel's partner and NATO member Turkey leading the effort to topple Assad

And the most obvious of all, Iran/Russia trying to save Assad, this is enough proof Israel didn't want Assad in power. I can go on and on, but you can still choose to be naive.

No one can fight for Assad if his own men aren't willing to fight. And let's be honest What did Iran do for Hezbollah/Lebanon as thousand of innocent civilians were martyred? EVERY SINGLE AIRBASE IN ISRAEL IS STILL OPERATIONAL!! Despite the death of Nasrallah, Sinwar, Haniyeh and Raisi. Assad rule is over whether we like it or not. The Syrian people have spoken and it's up to them to decide their own faiths.

 

[hasn2009]

No one can fight for Assad if his own men aren't willing to fight. And let's be honest What did Iran do for Hezbollah/Lebanon as thousand of innocent civilians were martyred? EVERY SINGLE AIRBASE IN ISRAEL IS STILL OPERATIONAL!! Despite the death of Nasrallah, Sinwar, Haniyeh and Raisi. Assad rule is over whether we like it or not. The Syrian people have spoken and it's up to them to decide their own faiths.

Iran made many mistakes, but if you remember last few invasions of Lebanon, Israel was easily able to capture Beirut in couple of days everytime, and they used to decimate Beirut every time, but this time they could only go few kilometers beyond the border in months.
And there was still some deterrence from hezbollah hence Israel wasn't able to hit the civilian infrastructure like airports etc otherwise hezbollah could hit back Tel-aviv aiport too, this was all possible after with the help of Iran.
Of course Israel killed thousands of civilians which hezbollah and Iran couldn't reciprocate because of their principal of not harming civilians.