Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Musings]

Enough lies for dirty propaganda

not for Fighter Jets
but Israeli civil Airlines coming to Turkiye bought jet fuel

They came to Turkiye and bought jet fuel for their return to Israel

in finally , The flag carrier aviation companies of the two countries have suspended mutual flights.

Debate respecting members or I will take action.
Facts are there for all to see.
Erdogan wore the Palestinian scarf -
Verbal support to the max - yet did nothing.
Didn’t use the “mighty super power army” to stop Israel - in fact assisted in the flow of raw materials. Showed his real intent.
The world saw what Erdogan was about. Now Turkish fanboys doing belly dance because there is more havoc in the Middle East?

 

[FHN]

Zio-US has a strategic victory against the resistance for sure.

Syria will now be carved up and the result will be a stronger and more secure Zionist entity and a weaker Turkey.

Erdogan/Turkey can now be controlled more easily as there will be the "Kurdish card" that Zio-US will be able to play again. Iraqi/Syrian united Kurdish "state" with their huge oil resources could easily be armed heavily and protected by Zio-US.

Maybe Erdogan is not as strategically as naive as people think he is but is just following his orders from Zio-US. US was very close to killing him in 2016 we should remember.

US once placed $10m bounty on his head. Some days ago CNN interviewed him live as the leader of the opposition in Syria US is milking their natural resources while Syrians will be left with nothing but crumbs.

 

[UKBengali]

Debate respecting members or I will take action.
Facts are there for all to see.
Erdogan wore the Palestinian scarf -
Verbal support to the max - yet did nothing.
Didn’t use the “mighty super power army” to stop Israel - in fact assisted in the flow of raw materials. Showed his real intent.
The world saw what Erdogan was about. Now Turkish fanboys doing belly dance because there is more havoc in the Middle East?

As a Muslim this is very depressing to see.

We are our own worst enemies and so many of us identify with our "sect" rather than the fact we are Muslims.

 

[Foinikas]

Zio-US has a strategic victory against the resistance for sure.

Syria will now be carved up and the result will be a stronger and more secure Zionist entity and a weaker Turkey.

Erdogan/Turkey can now be controlled more easily as there will be the "Kurdish card" that Zio-US will be able to play again. Iraqi/Syrian united Kurdish "state" with their huge oil resources could easily be armed heavily and protected by Zio-US.

Maybe Erdogan is not as strategically as naive as people think he is but is just following his orders from Zio-US. US was very close to killing him in 2016 we should remember.

What baffles me is that Bashar hasn't made any public announcements the last few days. Nothing. You would expect someone to go on TV and explain to the people what is going on.

But one thing is clear now:

This Russia,the current Russia,cannot be trusted as an ally. It's one of the least dependable allies to have. After their treatment of Armenia,which even though they wanted to give a lessons to Armenians for their choice of that clown Pashinyan,it is still unacceptable that they not only let Azeris march so far,but they also gave them most of Artsakh in the deal.

Then Syria. When Lavrov says "Moscow calls for dialogue between the government and the legitimate opposition" or "sorry we can't help you right now",you know you don't have a dependable ally.

The current Russia has lost all credit as a superpower that protects and helps its allies.

 

[hodor]

Debate respecting members or I will take action.
Facts are there for all to see.
Erdogan wore the Palestinian scarf -
Verbal support to the max - yet did nothing.
Didn’t use the “mighty super power army” to stop Israel - in fact assisted in the flow of raw materials. Showed his real intent.
The world saw what Erdogan was about. Now Turkish fanboys doing belly dance because there is more havoc in the Middle East?

If you don't want us on the forum, we won't come back. A moderator needs to be impartial. Don't forget that the Assad family has killed hundreds of thousands of people and expelled millions from their homes because they were Muslims. We are not pro-Israel because we overthrew Assad. We are enemies of both Assad and Israel. There is no massacre like Hezbollah's in our history!

 

[Vi-va]

What baffles me is that Bashar hasn't made any public announcements the last few days. Nothing. You would expect someone to go on TV and explain to the people what is going on.

But one thing is clear now:

This Russia,the current Russia,cannot be trusted as an ally. It's one of the least dependable allies to have. After their treatment of Armenia,which even though they wanted to give a lessons to Armenians for their choice of that clown Pashinyan,it is still unacceptable that they not only let Azeris march so far,but they also gave them most of Artsakh in the deal.

Then Syria. When Lavrov says "Moscow calls for dialogue between the government and the legitimate opposition" or "sorry we can't help you right now",you know you don't have a dependable ally.

The current Russia has lost all credit as a superpower that protects and helps its allies.

Russia is not a superpower in the first place, the Soviet was.

 

[FHN]

What baffles me is that Bashar hasn't made any public announcements the last few days. Nothing. You would expect someone to go on TV and explain to the people what is going on.

But one thing is clear now:

This Russia,the current Russia,cannot be trusted as an ally. It's one of the least dependable allies to have. After their treatment of Armenia,which even though they wanted to give a lessons to Armenians for their choice of that clown Pashinyan,it is still unacceptable that they not only let Azeris march so far,but they also gave them most of Artsakh in the deal.

Then Syria. When Lavrov says "Moscow calls for dialogue between the government and the legitimate opposition" or "sorry we can't help you right now",you know you don't have a dependable ally.

The current Russia has lost all credit as a superpower that protects and helps its allies.

There was no battlefield for Syria. The SAA surrendered in mass. This is why Russia stopped their support operations in Syria.
Nobody can help a country who is not willing to defend itself.
The main difference is that Russia only needs Syria's coastline, they don't care about the rest, Iran wanted a corridor but they didn't want to protect it so their sphere is getting dismantled after this failure.

 

[UKBengali]

What baffles me is that Bashar hasn't made any public announcements the last few days. Nothing. You would expect someone to go on TV and explain to the people what is going on.

But one thing is clear now:

This Russia,the current Russia,cannot be trusted as an ally. It's one of the least dependable allies to have. After their treatment of Armenia,which even though they wanted to give a lessons to Armenians for their choice of that clown Pashinyan,it is still unacceptable that they not only let Azeris march so far,but they also gave them most of Artsakh in the deal.

Then Syria. When Lavrov says "Moscow calls for dialogue between the government and the legitimate opposition" or "sorry we can't help you right now",you know you don't have a dependable ally.

The current Russia has lost all credit as a superpower that protects and helps its allies.

I don't think you can blame Russia solely.

RuAF went all out in the first few days and if the SAA just fought in the cities like Hamah where they had large garrisons, then it would have been different.

SAA infantry and RuAF would have won a decisive victory and stopped the rebels at Hamah. Aleppo was lost at that point.

Russia simply could not believe that the SAA would fold like that and just run away. They obviously got frustrated and realised within the first week that this was a losing cause. Russia alone cannot fight for Syria if SAA was not prepared to do its part on the ground.

As for Armenia, I found that really strange that Russia would abandon the Armenians like that. It seems that they wanted to focus on Ukraine and probably Syria/ME as well.

Russia has lost a lot of its strength over the last 3 years in Ukraine and poor Armenia was sacrificed first it seems.

 

[j_hungary]

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US once placed $10m bounty on his head. Some days ago CNN interviewed him live as the leader of the opposition in Syria US is milking their natural resources while Syrians will be left with nothing but crumbs.

Dude, he is NEVER opposition to Syria, within the Assad Territories, HTS still need to content with SNA and indirectly the Turks for their role in Assad's former government. Then there are FSA to the South and Kurds to the East. And ISIS is probably going to spring up again from this power vacuum if the HTS/SNA coalition don't act immediately

Syria will turn into a blood bath in a 4-way fight. We may actually see Turks controlled SNA actually fighting the HTS after this if they can't co-govern (They both wanted different thing) We just don't know. This may turn into China in 1945 after both KMT and Communist defeated the Japanese and then turned on each other again.

 

[UKBengali]

If you don't want us on the forum, we won't come back. A moderator needs to be impartial. Don't forget that the Assad family has killed hundreds of thousands of people and expelled millions from their homes because they were Muslims. We are not pro-Israel because we overthrew Assad. We are enemies of both Assad and Israel. There is no massacre like Hezbollah's in our history!

You say you are enemies of the Zionist entity?

Ok.

Then why at this very moment are you supplying oil that is being put into Zionist planes and armoured vehicles to slaughter Palestinian women and children in Gaza?

You claim to be against evil tyrants but you are actively helping a genocidal occupier massacre Gazans. Two of their terrorist leaders(Netanyahu and Gallant) have ICC arrest warrants against them?


PS - Don't come back with "international agreements" and "Azeri oil" as it needs to pass through Turkey and you can stop the flow any time.

 

[tower9]

I don't think you can blame Russia solely.

RuAF went all out in the first few days and if the SAA just fought in the cities like Hamah where they had large garrisons, then it would have been different.

SAA infantry and RuAF would have won a decisive victory and stopped the rebels at Hamah. Aleppo was lost at that point.

Russia simply could not believe that the SAA would fold like that and just run away. They obviously got frustrated and realised within the first week that this was a losing cause. Russia alone cannot fight for Syria if SAA was not prepared to do its part on the ground.

As for Armenia, I found that really strange that Russia would abandon the Armenians like that. It seems that they wanted to focus on Ukraine and probably Syria/ME as well.

Russia has lost a lot of its strength over the last 3 years in Ukraine and poor Armenia was sacrificed first it seems.

Russia abandoned Artsakh because

1. Armenia elected Pashinyan, who is a stooge of Soros and was anti Russian and wanted to pivot Armenia to the West. So Russia had no desire to help him.

2. Artsakh is actually recognized as a legal part of Azerbaijan by international law. Russia was only bound to defend Armenia proper not Artsakh.

3. Aliyev of Azerbaijan was far more politically astute than the Armenians and made sure to build up close relations with Putin before conducting the war.

 

[Sarhang]

Now Turkish fanboys doing belly dance because there is more havoc in the Middle East?

 

[newb3e]

Russia will try to negotiate with the future regime in Syria to preserve their military base.

Iran will try to preserve some footholds in Syria.

The rebels backed by Turkiye gonna fight the Kurds backed by the West.

Syria will just become as chaotic as Libya.

as the rumours suggest US/Israel/turkey are part of this "revolution" how will russia negotiate for the base?

kurds will start their local war for independence and turkey wont like it but since turkey is part of this revolution the kurd situtation will become complicated.

it looks like Libya but i hope it doesnt end up like Libya they have suffered for long!

 

[hodor]

You say you are enemies of the Zionist entity?

Ok.

Then why at this very moment are you supplying oil that is being put into Zionist planes and armoured vehicles to slaughter Palestinian women and children in Gaza?

You claim to be against evil tyrants but you are actively helping a genocidal occupier massacre Gazans. Two of their terrorist leaders(Netanyahu and Gallant) have ICC arrest warrants against them?


PS - Don't come back with "international agreements" and "Azeri oil" as it needs to pass through Turkey and you can stop the flow any time.

We have never sold weapons or weapons-making materials. Our trade with Israel is at a standstill. We don't sell anything important.

So why did you support Christian Armenians instead of your Muslim Azeri brothers?

 

[newb3e]

have Israel needed Assad in power?

maintaing status quo is important for empire they knew their "enemy" limited his capabilities but made sure to use him as excuse to launch attacks inside syria I think Saudis wont like fall of Assad they are weak paranoid rulers and they will fear their people will rise up against them inspired by Syrian revolution so maintaining Assads regime was important to Israel and her Arab allies.