Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[KingQamaR]

Syrian Army have proven to be very useless. It is one thing to say, we are not fighting for Assad anymore, but quite another to abandon posts and lost even more terrority to Israel. Shocking, Shameful of the "Syrian Army"..

I so pictures of the Mujahideen convoys in Syria show men on motorcycles, cars and light trucks. if the government forces could not crush this rebellion, one wonders if Assad had any soldiers at all.

 

[j_hungary]

The groups in Mali seem to be taking advantage of the situation for the last few months now. JNIM will probably follow HTS and Taliban and focus on winning minds and hearts as well. Their popularity is already significantly growing.
I think the next major loss for Russian will be in Mali at the hands of JNIM.

I wouldn't count anything out anywhere with Russian troop protection asset is now virtually a target, Russian has been overstretch for months now, I mean, Syria probably trump ALL Russian allies oversea, including Moldova, because it gave them access to the Med, otherwise Black sea would have been an inland lake for Russia. Yet, they can't protect Assad. Think about it, what does places like Mali have for Russia to have priority over Syria, if they managed to F up Syria like that, you could bet everywhere else are the same.

 

[Al-Zakir]

End result: Zionists gained more landmass without a fight.

Congratulations brainless Amalek.

Going forward, I don't blame zionists for gaining more land and killing their enemies.

Zionists rightly said-Their enemies are Amalek.

 

[Arabia]

I so pictures of the Mujahideen convoys in Syria show men on motorcycles, cars and light trucks. if the government forces could not crush this rebellion, one wonders if Assad had any soldiers at all.

The average SAA soldier had no will to fight their own countrymen. For what? A tyranical and incompetent regime that has been murdering its own people and which destroyed Syria?

Anyone thinking that Al-Assad had widespread support of Syrians and that somehow this is some grand conspiracy created by the incompetent Netanyahu (who cannot even defeat Hamas in tiny Gaza nor Hezbollah in small Southern Lebanon) needs to have their heads checked.

That outside powers, Israel included, will try to take advantage of the current situation but that is another topic and something they have been doing for long.

Israel has since the start of the Syrian civil war been bombing the Al-Assad regime, Iranian IRGC soldiers freely and regularly for the better part of 10 + years without any responses. Lost Golan Heights to Israel to begin with as well.

Also this idiotic idea of tiny Israel somehow conquering large swathes of Arab land and somehow locals accepting becoming a part of Israel (current version of it) is also beyond insanity. Israel with the entire 24/7 economic, military, political, propaganda etc. help of the combined forces of the West (strongest power in the world so far) have failed to completely annex Palestinian lands or defeat the Palestinians. Yet this imaginary Israeli superpower is now apparently going to rule large areas of Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia etc. Nonsense.

 

[KingQamaR]

Well, given that if Iran didn't help Assad 13 years ago in 2011, they probably would have folded back then.

The thing is, Assad should have build up his army from 2011 onward and not depends on Iran and Russia for the bulk of the fight, once Russia is bogged down on Ukraine, and Iran shifted their focus on Israel and Hezbollah been beating to a bloody pulp, who is going to fight for Assad?

There is a reason why HTS chosen that day (1 or 2 days after the Israel/Hezbollah ceasefire talk) to attack, and there is a reason why bulk of Assad force don't fight and just ditched their uniform, it's virtually another copy of how Ghani depends on US Air Force and NATO force to fight his war for him, and once the American is gone, they got routed. This is the same case for Assad.

10 days. To an army with no air force.
What happened to the SAA. That's not the same force from the 2010s. Kinda why it was a strategically good time for the Mujahideen groups to restart the war. The SAA had been underfunded for years (got cuts due to the ceasfire) and most of the support it had durring the civil war from hezbollah iran and russian was gone or at an all time low due to other conflicts around the globe, so your right it wasn't the same force.

 

[Arabia]

10 days. To an army with no air force.
What happened to the SAA. That's not the same force from the 2010s. Kinda why it was a strategically good time for the Mujahideen groups to restart the war. The SAA had been underfunded for years (got cuts due to the ceasfire) and most of the support it had durring the civil war from hezbollah iran and russian was gone or at an all time low due to other conflicts around the globe, so your right it wasn't the same force.

Economics. The average SAA soldier was/is paid peanuts. Syria's greatest export under the Al-Assad regime was Captagon. Add the inflation rates, sanctions and general Al-Assad incompetence and even pro-Al-Assad SAA soldiers saw little prospects in supporting him. Let alone willing to risk their own lives and die for him and his regime.

Not only that, many people within the Al-Assad regime and allied clans (business allies) saw the influence of Iran, foreign Irani sponsored Shia militia terrorists encroaching on Syria and trying to change the country, as a threat. Putin/Russia saw him as a total liability as well, more so after the Ukraine war. Let alone the internal fractions and dynamics.

As I said, if there was popular support, Al-Assad would have still ruled Syria with a harsh hand irrespective of losing outside support.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Let’s not jump to conclusions. A country is its people, give them time to chart their course.

No.

A country is both its land and its people. You need both. Without both, there is nothing there.

 

[mulj]

Turks now have huge responsibility to provide new Syria army with modern weapons and most importantly with AD umbrella over strategic cities and locations in order to provide breathing space to newly reborn state.
First international signed treaties will show future direction of Syria and in which geopolitical sphere they will fall in.

 

[Arabia]

You're against al Qaeda but hts is from al Qaida and already says they want a Islamic sharia based system only (what would you think if you were a Secular or socialist Syrian?). This is a serious question.

HTS broke off from AQ ages ago and fought them and ISIS successfully. They are not even remotely comparable. You know that as well. As for what system Syrians will chose, that is their choice but based on my experience of Syria, visits to Syria in the past and Syrians, (some have intermarried with family members of mine), there is no chance of Syria turning into a Taliban-ruled Afghanistan as you wrote. It simply is not realistic nor something that the majority Sunni Arabs would accept let alone the minorities.

So this is why I wrote that Syria will become (most likely) a Syrian Sunni Arab dominated (naturally as this is the majority and in most countries the majority population dominate - Iran included (Persians in this case)), country with Islamic influence in politics but at the same time patriotic/nationalistic while giving rights and freedoms to minority groups (in particular I believe that Kurds will get some kind of autonomy at least politically - not their own country as that will not be accepted by Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq - Israel and the US might try though to create a single Kurdistan). Christians will be safe (as seen in Aleppo and elsewhere) as will majority of the Alawites, except for the ones that were involved in regime crimes and close to the regime.

I don't know which universe you Iranians are living in when it comes to the Arab world. Even the most conservative Arab communities in Arab states, never hurt or killed their minorities. Not long ago even Jews lived in Yemen as an example.

Arabs were always mostly tolerant of minorities. Never committed any large-scale massacres or genocides even when Arabs ruled half of the world from Spain to China.

The reality is that most Arabs, Iranians, Turks and people of the region are tolerant and very hospitable people. Committing crimes on minorities that live among us is is in total opposition to what we stand for as a people historically.

An example, some Arab regimes might discriminate against minorities in some forms (luckily this is mostly a thing of the past), just like the Iranian regime might discriminate against its Kurdish, Balochi, Arab and other minorities but this is the work of the regimes in question not the average people.

 

[Arabia]

Turks now has huge responsibility to provide new Syria army with modern weapons and most importantly with AD umbrella over strategic cities and locations in order to provide breathing space to newly reborn state.
First international signed treaties will show future direction of Syria and in which geopolitical sphere they will fall in.

I hope Turkey and Arab countries that supported the opposition (GCC in particular) will help rebuild Syria in every possible way and reintegrate it into the region as a thriving nation. Any other options cannot be tolerated. It is also important to keep the Syrian integrity (borders) alive and not change it.

Sadly I don't have much hopes in the likes of Al-Sissi, Iraq, Jordan (unfortunately) playing much of a constructive role. I predict that they will try to stay out and see what occurs.

Unfortunately the reality is that the Arab regimes are too divided, are competing against each other etc. If they cooperated together no outside force would be able to interfere negatively. The examples of this are seen in Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq. At least I hope that the Syrians will learn from their mistakes and not repeat it in the future and Iraqis seem to have learned it to an extent even though they have a long road ahead of them as well.

Basically what we have seen in many Arab countries is the equivalent of China's century of humiliation. However it is worth remembering that this is just a tiny glimpse of the long, long ancient history of the region that spands over 10.000 years. In say 50-100 years it will be looked at in astonishment and locals will aks themselves wth went wrong. Also have in mind of the demographics of the Arab world. By 2050/2060, some statistics predict 200-300 million more people. With such huge demographics and the status quo continuing is a recipe for disaster and not really sustainable.

I predict that in the not so distant future, many Arab regimes will be toppled and this will create a natural unification among Arab masses and states as this is the wish of most Arabs from what I have observed in person, online and in most spheres. Right now it seems unrealistic but so did the early Muslim conquests. In any case, it is not that unrealistic to see the Arab League (eventually) evolve into a EU/NATO like organization and in this way - a lot of the current mess could be sorted.

 

[Tamerlane]

I predict that in the not so distant future, many Arab regimes will be toppled and this will create a natural unification among Arab masses and states as this is the wish of most Arabs from what I have observed in person, online and in most spheres. Right now it seems unrealistic but so did the early Muslim conquests. In any case, it is not that unrealistic to see the Arab League (eventually) evolve into a EU/NATO like organization and in this way - a lot of the current mess could be sorted.

What’s your opinion on how to get rid of the Jews from the region and to liberate Jerusalem?

 

[Arabia]

What’s your opinion on how to get rid of the Jews from the region and to liberate Jerusalem?

My opinion (honest) is that Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews from Arab countries such as Iraq, Syria, Yemen, KSA, Morocco, Algeria, Egypt) are a part of the region (have been for the past 3000 years), our neighbors and distant relatives religiously (no religion other than Judaism is closer to Islam and that with good reason), linguistically (Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages), culturally (since modern-day Israel has copied almost everything from Arabs) and even genetically, could become potential allies (at least partners and not enemies) if the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is solved. Arabs and Jews have lived mostly peacefully for millennia. To such an extend that the second most famous Jewish king in history (after Prophet Suleiman) (King Herod the Great) was an ethnic Arab Nabatean and his dynasty.

Herod the Great - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So my sincere wish is that Palestinians and Jews embrace peace in whatever way that suits both parties (remember that outside of Palestinians, other Arabs are not party to the conflict as much as you guys like to talk about "Arabs" as 1 single people in relation to the Israeli-Palestine conflict) with either an independent Palestinian state (my preferred wish and that of almost every Palestinian) or if that is not possible 1 single state with equal rights for everybody living in it.

Anyway are you part of West Asia or an Arab or Jew? Just asking because I could also ask you when you are going to expel the Indians from Kashmir or Indians from India? As realistic as expelling Jews from Israel.

Now, I know that you are a troll so you will continue your Zionist rant, Jew this and Jew that rants. Unlike most people here I am open with my views and I don't hide and I have the courage to speak my mind even if many dislike my views.

I dislike the current Israeli regime, Zionism and what they have been doing since 1948 but that does not mean that I want to kill or expel all Jews or that there are no future of Arabs and Jews living together and cooperating when history (from before the time of Prophet Muhammad (saws), during and after), shows exactly that.

Just like I dislike the Iranian Mullah regime and their destructive and senseless meddling in parts of the Arab world since 1979, does not mean that I want to destroy Iran or hate all Iranians or what not. I don't operate in such a simplistic way.

BTW easy to be a keyboard warrior and ranting online.

You seem obsessed about Arabs, even though it is Arabs doing all the fighting against Israel and only Arabs to date that have actually fought wars against Israel, yet I never see anything from your likes about how irrelevant 250 million big and nuclear-armed Pakistan is in this conflict? Let alone other Muslim nations.

 

[mulj]

I hope Turkey and Arab countries that supported the opposition (GCC in particular) will help rebuild Syria in every possible way and reintegrate it into the region as a thriving nation. Any other options cannot be tolerated. It is also important to keep the Syrian integrity (borders) alive and not change it.

Sadly I don't have much hopes in the likes of Al-Sissi, Iraq, Jordan (unfortunately) playing much of a constructive role. I predict that they will try to stay out and see what occurs.

Unfortunately the reality is that the Arab regimes are too divided, are competing against each other etc. If they cooperated together no outside force would be able to interfere negatively. The examples of this are seen in Libya, Yemen, Syria, Iraq. At least I hope that the Syrians will learn from their mistakes and not repeat it in the future and Iraqis seem to have learned it to an extent even though they have a long road ahead of them as well.

Basically what we have seen in many Arab countries is the equivalent of China's century of humiliation. However it is worth remembering that this is just a tiny glimpse of the long, long ancient history of the region that spands over 10.000 years. In say 50-100 years it will be looked at in astonishment and locals will aks themselves wth went wrong. Also have in mind of the demographics of the Arab world. By 2050/2060, some statistics predict 200-300 million more people. With such huge demographics and the status quo continuing is a recipe for disaster and not really sustainable.

I predict that in the not so distant future, many Arab regimes will be toppled and this will create a natural unification among Arab masses and states as this is the wish of most Arabs from what I have observed in person, online and in most spheres. Right now it seems unrealistic but so did the early Muslim conquests. In any case, it is not that unrealistic to see the Arab League (eventually) evolve into a EU/NATO like organization and in this way - a lot of the current mess could be sorted.

I know some syrian people trough my bussiness (exiled in turkey) and i witnessed first hand that they are very smart and capable in limited conversation with them i figured out under how harsh conditions they worked even in Istanbul they were not comfortable to speak about politics even if it was clear that they are anti assad.
Saying that now that shackles of fear and various injustice are gone i hope that will release huge potential along the zeal for betterment of syrian society in every aspect. I am pretty confidant that if given enough time and space we will witness rather different syria in terms of economy and wealth because there is no reason for that not to be as that country has all preconditions to be successful and self sustained even without oil fix, i actually claim that is the only arab country with conditions like that. It is not accidentally left with disfunctional and corrupted system by west once they left.
What i am worried about is zionia how much disturbance they will cause in upcoming period as they already stepped in aggressively occupying manner and what would be most adequate answer for that which would not endanger chances for stable future of county, in that sense even harsher and more complicated period is ahead with enormous challenges.

 

[SteppeWolff]

You seem obsessed about Arabs, even though it is Arabs doing all the fighting against Israel and only Arabs to date that have actually fought wars against Israel, yet I never see anything from your likes about how irrelevant 250 million big and nuclear-armed Pakistan is in this conflict? Let alone other Muslim nations.

Why tf would you expect Pakistan to fight your wars when its not even in the same region as yall?

And if we were, we wouldn't be bullied into being bitches thats for sure. Now go take back Golan heights. Chop Chop

 

[OldTwilight]

From Now on , Sham land will be the Arabs , Turks and Kurds problem .... soon they will be at each other throats .
Now , we just need to wait ...