Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[hussain0216]

Israel couldn't hold Southern Lebanon because there was an organized resistance that was fiercely fighting them.

Syria's defenses have collapsed. Israel is walking in and taking sparsely populated areas. If anything, they will at least hold on to Mt Hermon and a buffer zone. But that zone will likely be equivalent to the size of Gaza.

They CANT keep hold of it, even under international law the Golan heights is occupied territory, and it was by agreement with Assad that they remained on it

Because Assad was isolated he was unable to utilize international law, to push Israel out and he was not interested on launching a military campaign

This is why Assad became more of a guard dog for Israel, rather him then the unknown or legitimate

It's why it's vital the process of installing a legitimate regime in Syria go ahead quickly and proxies like the kurds bought under heel immediately

Both the Arab world and Turkey have common goals so suddenly the support system has increased multi fold compared to Russia who was self serving at best and a lone Iran (who admittedly did its best)





Get the Kurds and others under control, get a government installed, then demand the Golan is returned


Lawfare against Israel is just as effective if not more then actual war

 

[_Arabia_]

@mulj @Sinan @hyperman

Looking forward to the gas and oil pipelines (KSA and Qatar) connecting to Turkey and later the markets in Europe.

The infrastructure is mostly already there.

Some brighter perspectives and nice thread about Syria potential now when they got rid of family dynasty who run state for them self.

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Fantastic share, brother. All of this is very realistic and if you ask me not only needed and mutually beneficial but also just a question of time.

May Allah (SWT) bless our Sham and bless our brothers and sisters in Syria and give them success, peace, prosperity, security etc.

BTW I encourage (since this is in English but very informative nevertheless) Muslims unfamiliar with the cult of Nusayris of Syria to watch this roughly 35 minute long speech. The brother in question is a Pakistani Shaykh and theologian, I believe.

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Yasir Qadhi - Wikipedia

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[Flotilla]

So with this move, Israel scores a huge strategic victory. Iran has been pushed back to Iraq and is at arms length from Israel. Hezbollah is isolated and will be destroyed. Gaza is basically hopeless rubble now.

The Netanyahu movement it is very risky. He has been defeated in close combat with Hamas and Hezbollah. They just won by using carpet bombing and complete destruction.

If Netanyahu continues starving Gaza and taking more territories it is even possible that a further coalition by shia and sunni militias could fight back using Hezbollah and other proxies. So don´t give Hezbollah dead. It is shameful even for Erdogan what Netanyahu is doing right now.

 

[tower9]

They CANT keep hold of it, even under international law the Golan heights is occupied territory, and it was by agreement with Assad that they remained on it

Because Assad was isolated he was unable to utilize international law, to push Israel out and he was not interested on launching a military campaign

This is why Assad became more of a guard dog for Israel, rather him then the unknown or legitimate

It's why it's vital the process of installing a legitimate regime in Syria go ahead quickly and proxies like the kurds bought under heel immediately

Both the Arab world and Turkey have common goals so suddenly the support system has increased multi fold compared to Russia who was self serving at best and a lone Iran (who admittedly did its best)





Get the Kurds and others under control, get a government installed, then demand the Golan is returned


Lawfare against Israel is just as effective if not more then actual war

Israel has been holding on to Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights for a half century despite International Law. They murder civilians, shoot children, bomb hospitals despite International Law.

There is no International Law, there is only the law of the jungle. I think what has happened in Gaza is proof of that.

 

[tower9]

The Netanyahu movement it is very risky. He has been defeated in close combat with Hamas and Hezbollah. They just won by using carpet bombing and complete destruction.

If Netanyahu continues starving Gaza and taking more territories it is even possible that a further coalition by shia and sunni militias could fight back using Hezbollah and other proxies. So don´t give Hezbollah dead. It is shameful even for Erdogan what Netanyahu is doing right now.

Things look very bad for Hezbollah right now. But god willing, they will survive. I think their appetite for further conflict with Israel right now is zapped though. Their supply lines are cut, their entire leadership is dead and Southern Lebanon has been bombed out. They will need many years to recover.

 

[Unknowntruth]

You are assuming the "rebels" and Turkey are not puppets of the Zio-US.

Syria is finished and will be carved up between Zionist entity, Kurds, Turks/HTS and the US will also keep its patch stealing Syria's oil with the Kurds.

Zionist entity has destroyed nearly all Syrian military capabilities and is now grabbing Syrian land without even having to fight. Next target will be to totally isolate, weaken Hezbollah and grab Lebanon up to Litani River.

Ergodan and Turks are Zio-US puppets and the sooner people realise this the better.

I don’t think Turkey is a puppet, everything they do is for their own interest that includes what’s happening in Syria. They play both sides for sure to get what they want.

 

[Tamerlane]

It's not china fault that u guys are constantly waging wars. Plus BRICS is an economic forum not a military alliance! Stop putting that into the conversation. BRICS or not china production capacity will continue to expand. We will do business with anyone regardless of the color of your skin. I'm sure there are some religious in this forum. They believe sunni have the mandate to rule over other sects lol u can't help that shit. It's beyond anyone intellectual maturity. It's called stupidity.

I’m sure there are Mandarin who believe they have the right to rule over Cantonese .

Thirty five yeas ago Chinese wearing Mao suits and riding bicycles. Very very lucky American attacked Muslims not Chinese for last 35 years.

Please don’t tell us how backward Muslims are and how superior China is. When the wars are over the ones who fought in the battlefields and won the war will be the new boss in town. The Chinese will be expected to stand in the corner and make products.

 

[hussain0216]

Israel has been holding on to Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan Heights for a half century despite International Law. They murder civilians, shoot children, bomb hospitals despite International Law.

There is no International Law, there is only the law of the jungle. I think what has happened in Gaza is proof of that.

Absolutely, the world was conned with the idea of a rule based order

What they meant was their is a rule based order to control black and brown people, and the world fell for it, bending over trying to comply with rules that the white west wouldn't apply to themselves

What's happened in Israel is total proof of that, nevertheless Israel is a occupational state it does not and cannot steal the Golan or any Syrian territory

Syria and Assad's lack of strength and support, is why they couldn't get the Golan back

It's up to the Arab states to get their heads in gear and take their defence seriously

22 countries and they have united to make a screw, just reward the west with multi billion dollar deals


But everything stands, Israel does not have the forces to take territory or retain the Golan, both legally under international law or if the Syrians make a determined push to get their territory

But I will state again, Syrias best path is to get a legitimate government and then push with regional states for a return of sovereign Syrian territory

 

[Tsubasa]

I don’t think Turkey is a puppet, everything they do is for their own interest that includes what’s happening in Syria. They play both sides for sure to get what they want.

Despite years of multibillion dollar investments by the Russians and Iranians, who were strategically involved in Syria, they ultimately suffered a defeat, while Turkey solidified its position both militarily and economically. It has kept the region alive with its own resources, built infrastructure, and effectively integrated the area into its economic system. And where is the return on all the Russian and Iranian investments? They have yielded no results, while Turkey has established itself as the dominant force. Its long-term dominance in the rebuilding and development of Syria is already secured. So, anyone who still believes Turkey is dependent on aid should ask themselves who is really controlling the game here.

 

[EugeneP]

Usa plan is to install a FSA/SDF lead government, they will control the army, intelligence agencies etc. HTS will get a say but over the years will loose power, SNA is Turkish supported and they will be part of government with alot of influence but I doubt Saudi Arabia/Usa will allow a pro Turkey Syria. Most likely it will be Jordan style Syria. Another possibility is FSA lead government with SDF autonomous region to keep Turkey in check.

All that is complicated and very little happens according to plan, definitely so in Middle East. One thing seems certain, Syria will become like Jordan. Israel will ensure that. They have been working with the precision of NASA.

 

[hyperman]

Israel is already dropping hints that they plan to take the Druze village of As Suwayda. Much of modern NE Israel is historically Druze and the Druze have been the most loyal non-Jewish community to Israel. So if they take Syrian Druze land, those people would probably learn to serve Israel as Israel can guarantee their security and provide a higher standard of life.

Its BS, the Druze of the Occupied Golan Heights refuse to even take Israeli citizenship.

You remember the rocket that landed in Majdal Al shams? the Israelis tried going there to "offer condolences" and they got kicked out and cursed at by locals.

The Druze of Syria are Loyal to Syria, the Druze of Al Suwayda took part in the syran opposition.

As Suwayda is also far from the Israeli border, and in the middle of it is Daraa province, they have to absorb quite a lot of Sunni Arabs before they ever made it down to As Suwayda.

Not to mention the population of Southern Syria is going to increase with the return of millions of Syrian from Jordan.

They can plot all they want, of course they will plot, its in their nature, they have plots for Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egpyt. Despite both Egypt and Jordan signing normalizations with them. They still covet the Sinai and the dead sea and other regions in Jordan they think God promised them(even though they are atheists and have suspect DNA links to the ancient hebrews).

 

[tower9]

Its BS, the Druze of the Occupied Golan Heights refuse to even take Israeli citizenship.

You remember the rocket that landed in Majdal Al shams? the Israelis tried going there to "offer condolences" and they got kicked out and cursed at by locals.

The Druze of Syria are Loyal to Syria, the Druze of Al Suwayda took part in the syran opposition.

As Suwayda is also far from the Israeli border, and in the middle of it is Daraa province, they have to absorb quite a lot of Sunni Arabs before they ever made it down to As Suwayda.

Not to mention the population of Southern Syria is going to increase with the return of millions of Syrian from Jordan.

They can plot all they want, of course they will plot, its in their nature, they have plots for Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Egpyt. Despite both Egypt and Jordan signing normalizations with them. They still covet the Sinai and the dead sea and other regions in Jordan they think God promised them(even though they are atheists and have suspect DNA links to the ancient hebrews).

Again, this is only a rumor at this time.

Not sure about the Druze of Golan Heights, but the Druze of Northern Israel have the highest percentage of participation in the IDF, even more than the Jewish population (because the Hasidim do not take part in the military for the most part).

 

[Unknowntruth]

Despite years of multibillion dollar investments by the Russians and Iranians, who were strategically involved in Syria, they ultimately suffered a defeat, while Turkey solidified its position both militarily and economically. It has kept the region alive with its own resources, built infrastructure, and effectively integrated the area into its economic system. And where is the return on all the Russian and Iranian investments?

I mean war and crippling sanctions on Syria is a huge part of that.

They have yielded no results, while Turkey has established itself as the dominant force. Its long-term dominance in the rebuilding and development of Syria is already secured. So, anyone who still believes Turkey is dependent on aid should ask themselves who is really controlling the game here.

I never said Turkey was dependent. I’m just pointing out that they do everything for their own interests just like any other country. Inshallah with sanctions removed, we will see a prosperous Syria.

My only concern is the lack of foresight when taking out Bashar that it allowed Israel to take Syrian territory. Plans should have been in place to prevent that. So far nothing is being done to address that.

 

[hussain0216]

All that is complicated and very little happens according to plan, definitely so in Middle East. One thing seems certain, Syria will become like Jordan. Israel will ensure that. They have been working with the precision of NASA.

Israels works through the U.S, the Jews control the U.S and U.S does what it needs to safeguard Israel

Israels problem is that for decades it's found no solution to the problem of a Palestinian population that now out numbers the Jews and Israel much much younger

The Palestinians have a average age of 19, so they are heading towards a massive population expansion over the coming decades that will leave the Jews reeling

They don't know what to do and are becoming maniacal trying to deal with it

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Its good that Syrians have reclaimed their country from a tyrant.