Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[The SC]

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[tower9]

The white neanderthal racists around Trump are going to learn a cold hard reality about world geopolitics soon.

Most have barely left their own state except for maybe a camping trip to the neighboring state. I lived and worked with these people, many are decent people but incredibly naive and uninformed. Most won’t even go into any major cities cuz they are paranoid about crime and being around minorities.

And you think they are going to have the insight to solve complex geopolitical issues halfway around the world. lol

 

[Yommie]

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[HAIDER]

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[Ravenman]

Israel doesn’t have to like Turkey for Turkey to cooperate with Israel for its own benefit.

You can give me all of the quotes or instances of when Turkey and Israel said mean things about one another, I only care about the actual behavior and results.

Turkey’s actions have only helped Israel and has not hurt Israel. So what does that tell me?

- Turkey is the backbone of the international pressure and isolation on Israel.

- Turkey buys building and appartments in Al Quds and the West-bank to prevent them from demolition.

- Turkey hosts Hamas members and offices and gives financial and diplomatic aid to Hamas and the Palestinian people.

- Turkey cuts of all trade with Israel (10 billion USD per year).

- Turkish Navy prevents the East-Med-pipeline project between Israel-Greece-South Cyprus.

And there is a lot more. Turkey will be the destroyer of Israel, like it is written in the Jewish Bible.

 

[UKBengali]

Listen...

Russia has failed to achieve Air Superiority over Ukraine, and I assure you, Israeli capabilities to fight a long range war against Turkey on its own Border, do not exceed Russian capabilities fighting the war on their own border. And Turkey is far stronger than Ukraine, I assure you of this much.

You also haven't taken into account that the Israelis have been fighting a year's worth of war, and are not at the same capacity to fight Turkey in a full on war for the PKK, when they have 3 fronts active against them with Iran, Houthis, Hezbollah, plus the bogged down element in Gaza.

You have this delusion of some sort of Unspeakable Supremacy of the Zionist entity, in which case what are you wasting time with "resistance", just go worship them, instead of god, since they seem to be some sort of equivalent in might to you.

The israelis are not dumb enough to go on an adventure like this. lol they like fights where they have overwhelming strength not where the results could be inconclusive or where they might lose.

You mention tankers, those tankers will not survive to be able to support a long range mission. Turkey has long range Surface to Air missiles(S-400) and several other methods of denial. AWACS and EW aircraft.

This is a war on turkey's borders, and Turkey produces its own munitions and has strategic depth. i assure you, the price is far too high for Netanyahu to go on any Unilateral adventure this deep into the Middle east where they have to fight on turkey's borders. If there was ever a need for this, why would rather try to convince the US to do their dirty work for them, rather than act unilaterally in such a foolish war, where the result is inconclusive at best or an outright disaster for them.

I wish TuAF could take on the Zionist Air Force but even in its own neighbourhood it cannot.

S-400 does have theoretical 400km range but that is against high altitude non-manoeuvring targets with no countermeasures. Zionist tankers will be placed at least 350km away from The nearest Turkish S-400 battery to make them immune to the S-400.

Also remember that the S-400 batteries would have Zionist SEAD carried out on them using ARMs carried internally on F-35As and ALBMs from F-15s.

F-35As and F-15Cs with AIM-120D would rule the skies of NE Syria and TuAF would just have to sit and watch.

Even without US help for the entity, Turkey would have to back down quite quickly against a technologically much superior force.

PS - This would be an air war and they are not really using these assets against Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran actively on a regular basis. They would not be stretched at all.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting video if true ?

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[The SC]

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[j_hungary]

I can understand the desire for US centcom. But what's the need for it? I'm genuinely not aware, if you are, please share the reasons.

Anything transit thru Suze Canal and Red Sea are CENTCOM responsibly, the US basically need CENTCOM to make sure trade route between Asia to Europe open.

Not necessarily true. One of the reasons for CPEC is to bypass the Malacca via Pakistan. Another option is the Sunda strait in Indonesia which would allow China to access another base in Hambantota.Overall this is a discussion of hypotheticals but we do agree that China may have a use for bases in the region.

Sunda strait would not solve the same issue, you are just replacing Singapore and Malaysia to Indonesia, in fact it would have been worse because it gonna take longer and you have 1 single entity incharge of the strait instead of 3, so basically you only need 1 party to say no instead of 3

CPEC can't replace direct shipping route.

This is not true. The US and USSR agreed that USSR would remove missiles from Cuba and US would remove Jupiter missiles from Turkey in exchange. The USSR upheld their end of the bargain while the US did not.

Then why USSR didn't restaff their base in Cuba?? When US renege on the deal.......

Also, I am not talking about missile, but the Air Bases and Naval base like San Antonio de los Banos

I don't disagree with this what I will say is China is somewhat bypassing the "traditional colonial rule" by using debt diplomacy. Hambantota is an example. There is another option as well - earlier in this discussion the other poster I was discussing with mentioned the US was invited by some countries to hold a base. A similar agreement could be made with China. We're getting into hypotheticals again - to summarize I don't disagree a lot of the bases are a legacy of the colonial era but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only way to get them.

lol, it won't work, because that's what the US did in Africa (and to some degree, Japanese did back in the 80s to poor SEA nation) Debt trap only works when you have complete control of their government, it wouldn't work they simply would refuse to pay up, I mean, there are no recourse for you to reprocess anything in another country unless said country allow you to do it, this is also what the Chinese is experiencing in Africa and now selected Asian nation.

If you don't have control of the government, those bases are no good to you. That's not hypothetical.......

 

[hyperman]

I wish TuAF could take on the Zionist Air Force but even in its own neighbourhood it cannot.

S-400 does have theoretical 400km range but that is against high altitude non-manoeuvring targets with no countermeasures. Zionist tankers will be placed at least 350km away from The nearest Turkish S-400 battery to make them immune to the S-400.

Also remember that the S-400 batteries would have Zionist SEAD carried out on them using ARMs carried internally on F-35As and ALBMs from F-15s.

F-35As and F-15Cs with AIM-120D would rule the skies of NE Syria and TuAF would just have to sit and watch.

Even without US help for the entity, Turkey would have to back down quite quickly against a technologically much superior force.

PS - This would be an air war and they are not really using these assets against Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran actively on a regular basis. They would not be stretched at all.

These weapons are not wunderwaffe, infact no such system exists. I assure you Turkey has enough to fight a war on its own border.

either you unfamiliar with the Turkish arsenal of systems or you are overrating the capabilities of the Israelis in fighting a high intensity long range conflict, especially in this time of all times, where they are engaged on 3 other fronts in a year long conflict.

I don't even know why I'm bothering with this BS, Israelis are not stupid enough to unilaterally carry out such a campaign.

 

[hyperman]

@MMM-E perhaps you can chime in on the prospects of Israel intervening on behalf of the PKK and trying to fight Turkey on its own border in a long range war for them, and logistical complexities our friend ukbengali is unfamiliar with.

 

[KingQamaR]

Interesting video if true ?

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As long as these Arab rulers clowns ignore Israel wars on other Arab states. Thinking they will be left alone!

 

[hyperman]

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OMG!! WHY ISN'T ISIS JAWLANI EATING THEM??? THEY LOOK CALM AND HAPPY WAIVING ISIS FLAG! ITS FAKE!! JAWLANI HAS A GUN TO THEIR HEADS TO MAKE THEM SMILE. REEEEEEEE

Bashar told me if he didn't get to mass murder and rape people in his dungeon and make rape babies from the females of his enemies, then civilization would collapse.

 

[PakFactor]

As long as these Arab rulers clowns ignore Israel wars on other Arab states. Thinking they will be left alone!

They are like the bird who closes its eyes, thinking the cat isn't there. God bless them, I guess.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

This is abstract and not a criterion.

I asked you to define a criterion.

What are you looking for exactly? If the documents are not legitimate, what are you looking of? Israel to put out a statement? "Yeah he was our b!tch the whole time." Or him in Moscow Admitting it? Or the Iranians putting out a statement that they were getting played? lol

Thats not realistic. And thats not how the real world works.

There is plently of smoke if you want to take a look.

From the documents, from the behaviors, from the comments from Observers, both Iraqi PMU people interviewed, Israelis commentators saying they preferred him b/c of their relationship and "known commodity". The shit he was negotiating via the UAE. The denial of several requests that Iran made to put weapons in Syria. reports that this guy ratted on the IRGC generals in the consulate. Iran's non interest in saving him at the end. The beef with the Houthis, where he closed down they embassy in exchange for the Saudi embassy. Turkish intelligence statements from Hakan Fidan that there was a "quid pro quo" understanding between the regime and Israel. The disputes and tensions with the lack of commitment Assad displayed.

What more do you need, where there is smoke, there is fire. You will never get anything more in Foreign relations, b/c its all "inside baseball" as they say.

If you want my take, here is what I think. At the beginning he was desperate, and the only ones willing to die for him, were the Iranians and Hezbollah, and in return he provided them with a minimum in return while not trying to antagonize Israel. So there was never a "full commitment" to fight Israel, as part of "the resistance" that they keep doing PR for. He was trying to survive, he wasn't trying to be a "hero". After the Russians stepped in, he stabilized more, and his dependence of Iran decreased, and he cut their influence accordingly. He thought he had won at that point. Then when the Gaza conflict started, and Hezbollah activated the northern front, Iran and Hezbollah became an outright "liability" in his eyes, b/c the supplies and strategic depth in Syria aggravated the Israelis. This is around the time he moved to cut off the Israelis and normalized with Saudi, he was negotiating the normalization deal with the UAE. The Emiratis(who were the go between him and washington/Israel) were trying to tell him that the Iranians were a liability, and that if he dumped them, the US would give santions relief and the GCC would give investments. And again, at that time he thought he had already won, he didn't need Iran, he had Russia and that was enough.

He didn't want to sell Capatogon all his life, and with the sactions relief he could travel to Europe again, and other benefits. The US promised to give him back the oil fields as well. This guy was gonna take the deal and get rid of Iran to save himself, and he planned to... but then the unexpected Rebel offensive happened and everything collapsed in 11 days.

How hot of a potato one can become that every single one tosses you over. He burnt every single bridge and the only one left holding the plate is UAE... Emirates shows how much one can run when you're trusted on face value and not deeds. Entity's halflings on this side of the peninsula. You'll know Zion's reflection on the region in coming moves by emirates... that is how candid they've been...