China’s economy is no longer expected to overtake the US economy in size until mid century, if at all

US will dominate 21st century. US has one major advantage over China - ability to attract talent. If US wants it can take away all the top cream of Chinese scientists, Engineers, Doctors and Scholars. All it needs to do is given them green card. 90% of them will move to US. US has the ability to import the best and brightest from anywhere anytime.

Even with the best infrastructure, China still fails to attract foreign talent. Go visit any major Chinese city, you will only find 99.99% Chinese people. You wont find foreign nationals lininig up to work in China. Chinese people are not very welcoming of them either.

Similarly, India will always fail to achive its potential, because Majority of the cream Indians will move to US, Canada over the next few decades. Same with Koreans, Iranians etc. US will slowly but steadily take away all the top talent from anywhere it can find.

US is unbeatable. Period!!!



What an ignorant post.

US cannot even persuade the brightest Chinese students to stay in the USA after their studies as they all go back to China.

In fact even the ones that had settled in USA even decades ago are now returning back to their homeland.

Indians may worship and dream of living in the USA but this does not apply to China.
 
US is plunging towards facism. Can the US function as a facist state ? Let alone it's economy ?
 
LOL - Sanction UK because a pro-Israel figure is detained by UK authorities.

Jews are gonna drive America into the ground. It's going to be a failed state in five years time.

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$18 trillion loss in property wealth?
that’s a lot.
Germany total private property wealth is $7 trillion.
 
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China’s go-go days are behind it as the world’s second-largest economy struggles with the bursting of the biggest real-estate bubble ever. Now, China’s goal of overtaking the U.S. as the world’s largest economy might take decades longer than Beijing expected—if it happens at all.

China’s economy today is burdened with excess: Millions of empty or unfinished apartment blocks, trillions of dollars in debt straining local governments and ballooning industrial production driving an export surge that is igniting trade tensions worldwide.

China still has strengths: It dominates global manufacturing and has commanding positions in new technologies, such as electric vehicles and renewable energy. Policymakers have proven adept at handling past crises, and are readying bold new stimulus to support the economy.

Nonetheless, the scale of the excesses plaguing China’s economy underscores the perilous position Beijing finds itself in as a new trade war looms.

HISTORIC LOSS OF WEALTH​

China’s property meltdown has since 2021 destroyed around $18 trillion of Chinese household wealth, according to an estimate by Barclays, eclipsing the losses suffered by Americans in the financial crash of 2008-09. That hit, along with the trauma of Beijing’s heavy-handed response to the Covid-19 pandemic, helps explain why Chinese consumers aren’t spending freely.

DESTINY DEFERRED​

China’s rapid growth meant that for years forecasters expected China to overtake the U.S. as the world’s largest economy. As recently as 2019, some forecasters were expecting China’s GDP to eclipse the U.S.’s around 2030. Today, it is the U.S. powering the global economy and China that is battling stumbling growth. Few now expect China to catch up with the U.S. before midcentury, if it manages to at all.

TICKING TIME BOMB​

China is also facing demographic headwinds that will make it harder to restore its economic vigor. China’s working-age population is shrinking, reversing the demographic dividend that powered its economic ascent.

EXCESSES ALL AROUND​

China’s economy has for decades been powered by heady levels of investment. At first, that yielded modern infrastructure and propelled the expansion of China’s manufacturing engine and its megacities. But sticking with that strategy year after year has meant China today is beset by colossal debts, unneeded apartments and industrial overcapacity.

Debt: Borrowing by government, households and corporations in China is approaching 300% of its annual GDP. “Hidden” borrowing by local governments—debt held off the books on their behalf by opaque investment companies known as local government financing vehicles—is a major problem. On some measures, the scale of those debts and the burden of servicing them in China is more severe than in the U.S. before the financial crisis or in Europe in the depths of its own debt crisis a decade ago.

Real estate: China’s real-estate boom was unprecedented—and so is the ongoing bust. New construction and sales have cratered since the government took steps to rein in the bubble in 2020. It has struggled to stabilize the market, despite measures to ease purchase restrictions and offer cheap credit to would-be buyers. One sign of the boom’s excesses: There are as many as around 80 million vacant units in China, according to the latest estimates at the end of November, equivalent to half the total housing stock of the entire U.S.

Industrial overcapacity: In response to the slowing economy, and to transform China into a technological colossus, leader Xi Jinping has been funneling investment into China’s already huge factory sector. The result has been a surge in industrial capacity and two years of falling prices for Chinese producers, which are increasingly looking overseas to find buyers for goods they can’t sell at home. That is sparking trade spats with the U.S.-led West and emerging markets such as Brazil and India.
Don't say this. BeijingWalker and his other MSS agents will faint.
 
Don't say this. BeijingWalker and his other MSS agents will faint.
streets are getting crowded, make sure you get a good spot near a sewage for your daily ration. free fire and blanket 💤 Prince?...ok....
 
Given the dollar is reserve currency, the US passes its inflation onto other countries and US consumers can spend at will due to easy and cheap credit. This helps keep US GDP up. China on the other hand is export oriented with its people focusing on saving than spending. Chinese government is encouraging savings and they use it for domestic investments in infrastructure whereas US government encourages spending to keep the economy moving.

Chinas issue is its aging population and the need for it to switch to a more hightech economy moving away from lower value manufacturing. We have started to see that but will take time.

If trumpy starts his trade war, China may need to encourage its consumers to spend more than save. I think that is why they are delaying as much as they can large injections of cash.

China IMO dont care about over taking the US in nominal gdp, their focus and main challenge right now seems to be transitioning into a high tech economy. If they succeed relatively unscathed I expect naturally they will unseat the US as largest economy in all dimensions.
 
Lol, US can print money as much as they want, so no country can ever dream of catching up to their nominal GDP.
 
By 2050, China will likely overtake the US by a wide margin. By 2075, (if India survives), India will reach number 2.

European economies will be replaced almost completely by Asian (and atleast 1 African) economies by the end of the century on the top ten list.

These aren't my projections, these are projections from actual analytical groups, such as PwC.
 
Lol, US can print money as much as they want, so no country can ever dream of catching up to their nominal GDP.
They actually can't, because it would lead to massive inflation and economic decline.

Their previous "quantitative easing" policy (re: print and flood the economy with fresh money) was an unmitigated disaster, as it skyrocketed the prices of basic items such as groceries, and housing, both of which US citizens are STILL suffering from today. Bread in 2005 cost about 1.25$, now it about 2.50$ (price doubled). Houses that were $100,000 have become $200,000 to $300,000, making them unaffordable for many younger generations citizens.
 
Nominal "GDP" is such poor metric now days. Just see USA health sector GDP and how its life expectancy is falling to 3rd world levels.

USA GDP is also supported by large number of migrants, if Trump immigration plan is successful then USA will likely suffer bigger demographic bomb then China.

China 1 child policy was disaster but if anyone can turn around fertility levels is China.
 
US is unbeatable. Period!!!
LoL, unbeatable... only in your Indians mind. China has already beat US in sectors all across the board, China now is the world biggest industrial nation, agricultural nation, manufacturing nation, trading nation, export nation, surplus nation, maritime nation, mining nation.... even in the last stronghold military, China is fast catching up, what else has been left there for China to beat?
 
Till the time the world keep using dollar, any talks of taking USA down economically is nothing but a pipe dream.
 

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