Chinese 6th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Michael]

I just finished a chat with a special person.
About CAC's new toy. Official version, 2 turbofan engines + 1 ram engine.
As for the rest, I'm not at liberty to disclose it for now.

 

[攀登新高山1208]

I just finished a chat with a special person.
About CAC's new toy. Official version, 2 turbofan engines + 1 ram engine.
As for the rest, I'm not at liberty to disclose it for now.
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Is this news reliable?
Or some kind of TIAODASHEN

 

[mack8]

@Michael i do appreciate every bit of rumour and insider info from China, but did you really had to post that image? Makes my stomach churn. What is it supposed to represent anyway, that the J-36 has foldable canards or what exactly?

At any rate, IF the ramjet rumour is confirmed, then indeed the J-36 would be high Mach capable, anywhere from M2,5 to M3 as early rumours were suggesting. Maybe this is a Shuang 30 aircraft after all (3000km/h speed, 30,000 metres ceiling, 3000km radius). IF only!

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

A lot of people have already realized that the J-36 has integrated with the TBCC (turbofan + ramjet) technology.

The tubofan engines for now might be two modified WS-15, but it will soon switch to the variable cycle engines.

 

[iblini]

No, it has three turbofan engines, checked the chief designer's paper for reference and the aerodynamic design also shown it's not an aircraft made for high supersonic speed let alone some rumored hypersonic.

The chief designer's paper clearly listed the goal and his vision for future aerial warfare, he is more focus on power generation and the distribution of power instead of power trust or maximum speed sort of things.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The US and China are locked in a “race” to field the next generation of airpower — and there’s no guarantee America will cross the finish line first, according to the Air Force’s outgoing acquisition executive. “They could beat us to the punch,” Andrew Hunter told Breaking Defense in an interview at the Pentagon. “It’s fair to say we pay a lot of attention to what the Chinese are doing. And so, not everything that becomes public is a shock,” Hunter said. “But having said that, their pace is incredibly fast.”

The chance of the NGAD being successful is actually less than the DDG-X.

 

[Nx4eu]

Sigh, If for a second we entertain the ramjet rumor, why would the center engine be a ramjet but have the exact same exhaust housing structure as the 2 outer engines? why would they feed a ramjet with a large DSI intake? If the center engine was a ramjet, would the 2 outer engines just be drag/dead weight? and Vise versa too. Designing it like this is basically a scuffed variable cycle engine is it not? The SR-71 had a turboramjet engine in the 1960s, are you implying the Chinese are incapable of matching 1960s American technology and had to build a suboptimal aircraft that requires two separate types of engines in different structures? Not to mention this means that you're saying hard numbers matter more than electricity generation, which completely goes against what the chief designer has previously said about his design for 6th gen.

 

[Nx4eu]

I just finished a chat with a special person.
About CAC's new toy. Official version, 2 turbofan engines + 1 ram engine.
As for the rest, I'm not at liberty to disclose it for now.
View attachment 95305

Thank god you concealed the identity of this special person as it won't be his credibility on the line, but yours.

 

[Hendarto]

That‘s exactly the point I hate the most at the moment! Yes, the unveiling was a surprise and it‘S understandable that this is „rated a shock“ - which I don‘t think and now many are celebrating this and - as you claim - „a lot of comments still extolling the superiority of US technology. I guess it is hard to wake up from a dream“, but the bolt part highlights exactly shows a new hubris that is totally unfounded!

To portray the J-36 as something „but that is not close to the J36 prototype finish we saw fly recently.“ is just wrong or at best misleading, since we don‘t WHAt the US flew years ago! And this part ist just stupid: „Otherwise the media will splash it all over the net or print newspaper“

To show and discuss something that wasn‘t revealed yet is impossible … and we all know - just look at the F-117, several black projects of ISR-drones - the US had more than once a type far far ahead and in service before we ever got aware of it.
Yes, that‘s unlikely for the NGAD, but since we don‘t know how it looked like, what was its aim to test we sustain know NOTHING!

Why is it stupid? I thought the US prided itself on being transparent and accused China of being inscrutable. If NGAD is like what, they are hiding it. Yeah, you kind of hide behind "we know nothing" and then show it Isn't the US pride itself as the land of the free press and transparent government? Instead of rebutting my argument, all you can say it is stupid that is your opinion and not fact

 

[Michael]

Is this news reliable?
Or some kind of TIAODASHEN

What is it supposed to represent anyway, that the J-36 has foldable canards or what exactly?
At any rate, IF the ramjet rumour is confirmed, then indeed the J-36 would be high Mach capable, anywhere from M2,5 to M3 as early rumours were suggesting. Maybe this is a Shuang 30 aircraft after all (3000km/h speed, 30,000 metres ceiling, 3000km radius). IF only!

Thank god you concealed the identity of this special person as it won't be his credibility on the line, but yours.

Please note my statement. “Official version, 2 turbofan engines + 1 ram engine.” That's the definitive message!
As for what's going on with this test flight version of the engine that's appearing now. Sorry, can't say.

Does one believe the news? That's everyone's freedom. It is impossible for me to provide any evidence for this kind of news.

A blooper story.
Initially, CAC and SAC were scheduled to test fly the 6th Gen fighter together at the same time on the same day.
But, SAC was a few days ahead of schedule and quietly conducted the test flight and managed to grab the title of the first 6th Gen fighter to be flown.
This infuriated the leaders of CAC and made them very angry. In order to grab back the public opinion voice, the CAC leadership ordered the test pilots to fly at low altitude over the city. And the news was released in advance that test flights of the new aircraft were to be conducted.

As a result, the images we now see of SAC's new toy are very blurry. But the images of CAC's new toy are very clear. The international public opinion is now discussing the CAC's new toy much more than the SAC's new toy, and the CAC has managed to regain public opinion.

 

[GiantPanda]

@Michael i do appreciate every bit of rumour and insider info from China, but did you really had to post that image? Makes my stomach churn. What is it supposed to represent anyway, that the J-36 has foldable canards or what exactly?

At any rate, IF the ramjet rumour is confirmed, then indeed the J-36 would be high Mach capable, anywhere from M2,5 to M3 as early rumours were suggesting. Maybe this is a Shuang 30 aircraft after all (3000km/h speed, 30,000 metres ceiling, 3000km radius). IF only!

That's just a cured duck. It's tasty if a bit salty. The triangular shape and the two red vs blue ties may hold meaning

 

[Michael]

but did you really had to post that image? Makes my stomach churn.

That's just a cured duck. It's tasty if a bit salty. The triangular shape and the two red vs blue ties may hold meaning

Oh, that doesn't make any sense.
It's a gourmet meal I just made. Sichuan salt-baked air-dried chicken. It looks a bit like the new CAC toy, that's all.
MODS can remove this image if it causes discomfort to some friends.

 

[神威98]

I keep reading on SDF SAC's 6th gen bird looks more sleek/sexy than CAC's. I'm of the opposite opinion. Looks count for shiet when it's all about winning the war. CAC's 6th gen bird looks more heavy duty and overpowering.

That's why the SAC pics are blurry while the CAC's are clearer to prevent the adversary from making miscalculations by showcasing your best main force multiplier...

 

[Nx4eu]

I keep reading on SDF SAC's 6th gen bird looks more sleek/sexy than CAC's. I'm of the opposite opinion. Looks count for shiet when it's all about winning the war. CAC's 6th gen bird looks more heavy duty and overpowering.

That's why the SAC pics are blurry while the CAC's are clearer to prevent the adversary from making miscalculations by showcasing your best main force multiplier...

If it looks good, it will fly good. I'm all for the hard specs of an aircraft for winning wars. But no one ever designs a fighter aircraft just to look 'cool'. I'm just of the opinion that currently SAC's bird has the possibility to look incredibly good as well as being a fantastic fighter, both have big affects on public opinions. All of the legendary American and Soviet fighters all had a looks good aspect combined with their combat effectiveness, that's what led to their romanticization across the globe.

 

[GiantPanda]

Oh, that doesn't make any sense.
It's a gourmet meal I just made. Sichuan salt-baked air-dried chicken. It looks a bit like the new CAC toy, that's all.
MODS can remove this image if it causes discomfort to some friends.

Doh!