The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

[Eşbah]

Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict

The Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict had gone down in the history of the 20th century as one of the most tragic conflicts, as its implications seriously affected the fates of millions of Azerbaijanis.

The conflict, which began with Armenia’s overt territorial claims to Azerbaijan’s historical lands, provocations on ethnic grounds and acts of terror in the late 1980s, resulted in military aggression against Azerbaijan. (...)

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Currently, Armenians are seeking to distance themselves from Russia by welcoming American presence in Armenia, with the hope that Washington will offer them protection against Azerbaijan.

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[Foinikas]

Currently, Armenians are seeking to distance themselves from Russia by welcoming American presence in Armenia, with the hope that Washington will offer them protection against Azerbaijan.

A lot of Armenians are frustrated and angry at Putin for selling out NKR,but Pashinyan played a role on this as well. They were disillusioned when they saw Russia abandoning the Syrian government just like that.

 

[Eşbah]

A lot of Armenians are frustrated and angry at Putin for selling out NKR,but Pashinyan played a role on this as well. They were disillusioned when they saw Russia abandoning the Syrian government just like that.

Not really. The decision to choose Washington over Moscow was made years before Assad was pushed out of Syria.

 

[Foinikas]

Not really. The decision to choose Washington over Moscow was made years before Assad was pushed out of Syria.

I know,I'm just saying they're even more disillusioned now.

Edit: Just noticed I didn't make it clear in the previous post above

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

What's in it for US to go at extent where it save Armenia?

 

[drkrn86]

What's in it for US to go at extent where it save Armenia?

Another base close to Iran, Turkey, and Russia. One stone 3 birds.
Who knows, may be a color revolution may start in Azerbaijan overthrowing theor current dictatorship. This gives access to the Caspian sea.

 

[hyperman]

I know,I'm just saying they're even more disillusioned now.

Edit: Just noticed I didn't make it clear in the previous post above

Syria has nothing to do with Armenia's current orientation.

Armenia had a velvet revolution and the old Pro Russian regime fell.

Initially the new govt tried to maintain good ties with Russia while distancing and trying to join europe, but after the war, they are now in the process of removing Russia completely.

 

[Qaraca]

A lot of Armenians are frustrated and angry at Putin for selling out NKR,but Pashinyan played a role on this as well. They were disillusioned when they saw Russia abandoning the Syrian government just like that.

How did Putin sell out anything? We are talking about territory of Azerbaijan.

Btw, Azerbaijan and Russia signed a strategic partnership agreement in 2022, in which matters of territorial integrity and fight against separatism is also included.

 

[Qaraca]

Another base close to Iran, Turkey, and Russia. One stone 3 birds.
Who knows, may be a color revolution may start in Azerbaijan overthrowing theor current dictatorship. This gives access to the Caspian sea.

Aliyev has high approval rate after restoration of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Another base close to Iran, Turkey, and Russia. One stone 3 birds.
Who knows, may be a color revolution may start in Azerbaijan overthrowing theor current dictatorship. This gives access to the Caspian sea.

Nice point. I agree with you, but could the US save Armenia? I don't think Armenia would go against Iran, their only true supporter in the region right now. Turkey and Azerbaijan are already in the US camp and, in fact, much closer allies. Russia would be a tough player; right now, it's preoccupied with Ukraine, but what after that? Russia can easily punish Armenia, perhaps by simply allowing Azerbaijan and Turkey to do the dirty work.

 

[hyperman]

What's in it for US to go at extent where it save Armenia?

Trying to build influence in the Caucasus.

Armenia shares a southern border with Iran, and currently its the only country that pro West.

They can't "save armenia", this new relationship is a bit less than that.

Armenia is landlocked. There is no way to access Armenia for the West other than either through Turkey or through Georgia, and Georgia is currently heading towards a Pro Russia alignment, the geographic limitations limit what the west or anyone outside of the region can do, for anything to be done, it would require facilitation from either Turkey or Georgia, and Georgia just got sanctioned by the US, which claims the elections that happened in 2024 were rigged, when a Pro Russian party won the election.

The New Georgian govt has Saakashvili(Anti Putin) in Prison right now. And has suspended EU integration/membership candidacy. The US currently sanctioned their leader.

 

[Foinikas]

Syria has nothing to do with Armenia's current orientation.

Armenia had a velvet revolution and the old Pro Russian regime fell.

Initially the new govt tried to maintain good ties with Russia while distancing and trying to join europe, but after the war, they are now in the process of removing Russia completely.

You rush to say something contrary again without getting what I'm saying.

Armenians were pissed off after the 2020 war and now with what happened in Syria,they are became even more disillusioned.

Pashinyan's government took power with promises of taking the country to the Western camp. The Russians didn't like that. They thought,ok that's the guy you want? Fight the Azeris then.

 

[Foinikas]

How did Putin sell out anything? We are talking about territory of Azerbaijan.

Btw, Azerbaijan and Russia signed a strategic partnership agreement in 2022, in which matters of territorial integrity and fight against separatism is also included.

The Russians were supposed to be protecting the Armenians,but they let the Azeris move almost up to Stepanakert without doing anything. That's the whole point.

 

[hyperman]

Armenians were pissed off after the 2020 war and now with what happened in Syria,they are became even more disillusioned.

Which Armenians? Pashinyan and friends? lol

They couldn't care less about Syria. Pashinyan was in the process of divesting out of the Russian sphere, to the point where Russia is viewed not as a partner that unreliable or a disappointment, but the current govt literally views Russia as a straight up threat that is conspiring against it with Azerbaijan(not indifferent on Azeri actions, they actually think Russia and Azerbaijan made a deal or something, you should have seen Pashinyan's reaction to the leaked Lukashenko tapes). Pashinyan refuses to attend CSTO meetings, and declared their membership suspended. They got rid of the Russian military presence at the airport in Yerevan, they have removed them from the border with Azerbaijan and the border crossings with Iran, and are in the process of removing them from the border with Iran entirely, after which they will remove Russians from the Turkish border and close the base in Gyumri.

Pashinyan is going all out, and this was all happening before the December 2024 Aleppo offensive.

Last year in 2023, Pashinyan's wife visted Ukraine on a diplomatic trip, and I believe last year Pashinyan and Zelensky had a meeting about the South Caucasus.

Pashinyan and Zelensky briefly discuss security situation in South Caucasus during short meeting in Granada

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[Foinikas]

Which Armenians? Pashinyan and friends? lol

Most Armenians

They couldn't care less about Syria.

You still don't get what I'm saying. The Russians proved one more time unreliable to their allies. And there was a sizeable community of Armenians in Syria.

Pashinyan refuses to attent CSTO meetings, and declared their membership suspended.

Pashinyan prefers to attend other meetings...