The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

[SolarWarden]

Umm... Is Armenia where Dracula lives?

 

[hyperman]

Let's see what you'd do if you were a tiny nation in the middle of 3 empires.

What I'd know is that I wouldn't take money and advice from outside to stab on the neighboring 3 regional powers on behalf of someone else, b/c the other party can disengage and walk away after your use is finished, you got to still live here in the region.

The way to do this by being Switzerland and having diplomatic engagement with all major powers in the region and to give assurances that you won't stab one of them on another power's behalf or jeopardize their interests, you play this via balancing.

 

[hyperman]

Umm... Is Armenia where Dracula lives?

Thats Transylvania, in Romania.



but if you ask me the bloodsucker has relocated to the State Department over the blood of Palestinian women and children, smirking everytime he is asked about Gaza.

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[Foinikas]

Brother I make it a point to read and investigate the general discourse are all the neighboring states of turkey and how things are discussed amongst them. With regards to the Pro Western Pro EU segment of Armenia, I frequent /r/armenia and follow many Pashinyan supporters on twitter. I assure you, in their mindset Serz and Robert Kocharyan are all Russian puppets who want to turn Armenia into a Russian state like the several ethnic republics in Russia or Belarus.

But it was a Russian puppet State Armenia had this problem,they West was too far so they couldn't have an alliance with the West and the Russians weren't providing them with any real benefits. So they were stuck with the Russians. Little money,old weapons,no real allies.

From what I've heard,Kocharyan got really rich all these years

 

[Foinikas]

The way to do this by being Switzerland and having diplomatic engagement with all major powers in the region and to give assurances that you won't stab one of them on another power's behalf or jeopardize their interests, you play this via balancing.

Yes,but with the whole Nagorno-Karabakh issue and the problems with Azerbaijan,it's very hard. Azerbaijan is allied with Turkey,you know how Armenian and Turkish relations have been,so it's kind of like the Balkans. Now they don't have Russian protection and they can't get Western protection either. It's like you said,they have to go through either Turkey,Iran,Azerbaijan or Russia. Georgia of course is a Turkish ally,so I don't think they would let Americans give weapons to Armenia.

 

[hyperman]

But it was a Russian puppet State Armenia had this problem,they West was too far so they couldn't have an alliance with the West and the Russians weren't providing them with any real benefits. So they were stuck with the Russians. Little money,old weapons,no real allies.

From what I've heard,Kocharyan got really rich all these years

OMG, I'm going to tag 50 people, its an outrage, how dare you write things with Emoji and casually. Is this Joke to You???

 

[Foinikas]

OMG, I'm going to tag 50 people, its an outrage, how dare you write things with Emoji and casually. Is this Joke to You???

I'm basically agreeing with you on this post,Armenia was a Russian puppet State.

 

[hyperman]

It's like you said,they have to go through either Turkey,Iran,Azerbaijan or Russia. Georgia of course is a Turkish ally,so I don't think they would let Americans give weapons to Armenia.

No, not necessarily. What they have to do is to have diplomatic engagement(which credit to Pashinyan he is doing), Communicate to all 3 parties, that you will not endanger their interests.

Let Iran know, I won't allow myself to be used against you by the US, We are Neighbors, I respect your soverignty and you respect mine, I will support your territorial integrity and you support mine. lets cooperate and increase trade and transport. this way you build confidence measure with Iran.

Let Russia know, I won't bring the US and EU here in any way that is encroachment and a threat to your interests. I don't want a hostile relationship. We have had a long relationship for many years, and I don't with for antagonism. Lets agree to keep regular diplomatic contact and discussions on any issues we have bilaterally. I support your territorial integrity and won't allow Armenia to be used against you, and I hope you support my territorial integrity as well.

Go To Turkey, tell them I support your territorial integrity, and hope you support my territorial integrity, I renounce any claims to land outside of my internationally recognized land and hope you do that same. I don't wish for an antagonistic relationship and won't allow my territory to be used as a conduit against you. Lets have regular diplomatic contact and work towards increasing trade and transport.

You do that to all 3 and if lets say hypothetically one side you feel is pressuring you, you go to the other 2 in a multilateral format to support you, as the other two have interests in not having one element having more influence than the other in a way that threatens their interests.

But this is not what Armenia has been doing for the last 30+ years since the Post Soviet Collapse. What it did was it went an picked a fight with Turkey the moment it broke away from the Soviet Union. It invaded Karabakh for Miatsum goals, said Treaty of Kars is not Valid, and had a president that said "My generation took back Karabakh, your generation must take back Van And other places", and I'm going to launch a global campaign against you and try to get every state that you have beef, join a coalition against you. then went and started picking fights where Armenia is not even present, started going around and sable rattling over the Eastern Mediterranean and getting involved in France and Turkey beef. What this did was in the Turkey psyche(which really does not even remember Armenia exists most of the time), the impression formed is these mofos are a problem and they need to be dealt with, they are conspiring with our enemies and will become a conduit for schemes that are aimed to hurt me. Which then leads to Turkey which historically did not play an active role in Azerbaijan to reevaluate the entire region for counter moves. So a frozen conflict Armenia had with Azerbaijan suddenly was not so frozen.

Georgia btw is not completely beholden to Turkey or anything like that, Georgia is the closest thing there is to a "neutral" state in the Caucasus. Trying to fix their issues with Russia, while engaging with every state, instead of picking sides.

 

[hyperman]

I'm basically agreeing with you on this post,Armenia was a Russian puppet State.

Tis Sarcasm my dear Foiny. lol

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

The era of neo-ottoman dreams are over

We must strike our enemies in the worst way of possible if they try to cut our route to europe

 

[hyperman]

The era of neo-ottoman dreams are over

We must strike our enemies in the worst way of possible if they try to cut our route to europe

You have a border with Europe?

I thought you hated Europe? and were "Anti West" lol

 

[Farhan23]

Let me get it this right? So Iran is taking more L´s.

The Americans will take over the security of Armenia which means Americans bases and could eventually become a launching pad against Iran

 

[Flotilla]

What part is not true? lol

Armenia had a velvet revolution and the old Pro Russian regime fell.

2018 Armenian Revolution - Wikipedia

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The 2018 Armenian Revolution, most commonly known in Armenia as #MerzhirSerzhin (Armenian: #ՄերժիրՍերժին, meaning "#RejectSerzh"), was a series of anti-government protests in Armenia from April to May 2018 staged by various political and civil groups led by a member of the Armenian parliament — Nikol Pashinyan (head of the Civil Contract party). Protests and marches took place initially in response to Serzh Sargsyan's third consecutive term as the most powerful figure in the government of Armenia, later broadening against the ruling Republican Party, who were in power since 1999. Pashinyan declared it a Velvet Revolution (Թավշյա հեղափոխություն, T'avshya heghap'vokhut'yun).

I am not talking about revolutions here, in Armenia or Turkey.

I am talking about pervasive turkish involvement in Syria and Armenia which is a common point between the two cases.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The Russians were supposed to be protecting the Armenians,but they let the Azeris move almost up to Stepanakert without doing anything. That's the whole point.

If Armenians think they can court America as a source of protection and guarantor against Azerbaijan. They have another one coming...
It would be a suicidal move... landlocked, having grievance or active conflict against two of its immediate neighbors. While Iran and Russia an assurance against belligerence. With Americans coming not only between both Russia and Iran, but also Azerbaijan and Turkiye... it has a potential of becoming a flashpoint... where all neighbors potentially becoming hostile reconciling their differences.

Remember Americans can always extract themselves, the price will be paid by Armenians. Instead of courting security they'd become cheap pawns... motivated and expendable... perfect proxies.

 

[Foinikas]

If Armenians think they can court America as a source of protection and guarantor against Azerbaijan. They have another one coming...
It would be a suicidal move... landlocked, having grievance or active conflict against two of its immediate neighbors. While Iran and Russia an assurance against belligerence. With Americans coming not only between both Russia and Iran, but also Azerbaijan and Turkiye... it has a potential of becoming a flashpoint... where all neighbors potentially becoming hostile reconciling their differences.

Remember Americans can always extract themselves, the price will be paid by Armenians. Instead of courting security they'd become cheap pawns... motivated and expendable... perfect proxies.

I know,I know...they've basically lost the game.