Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present
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EugeneP
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Any explanation for this?
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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They, the zionists, portrayed the sole opposition to or resistance to their oppression as Hamas. By them abdicating power will once and for all prove that it is a Palestinian struggle, A Gazan struggle, A human struggle.
Not many will understand less appreciate the sacrifice... while rest of Mideast clings to power and very apprehensive about losing power. This is for them as well...
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925boy
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Despite the liberation of Quds from Israeli control being a key objective of Iran? Its not called the "Quds force" for nothing..Al-Aqsa is in Quds and Iran is a big defender of Quds. Btw what do you mean by defender of Al-Aqsa?
Hamas didn't, or at least not primarily or mainly- it told the world it attacked Israel to free Palestinian Gazans from Israel evil and slow genocide against them and to force the creation of the Palestinian state (whose odds of appearing/happening were about to disappear fully). Hamas used the name Al-Aqsa in their campaign, but maybe it was to motivate and consolidate Palestinians around their struggle?
This sounds like a trivialization of Iran's assistance to Gazans- Iran has done ALOT for Gaza, since the Islamic revolution, it never ceased, but it seems you think everything real aka Iran's support to Gaza must be visible and confirmed for you to see? that's not how things work.
Hezbollah cares about Quds and therefore Al-Aqsa, but Hezbollah probably sees the Al-Aqsa situation and Gazan plight as related but separate, and it likely prioritized the latter, like Iran.
what did they need to say? that what? focusing on Al-Aqsa (at least publicly) would have actually played well into the Western propaganda against Iran- Iran would have been portrayed again as being an extremist Muslim country, and that would have distracted it from helping Gazans and keeping the world's attention on their struggle against Israel.
Iran is most likely some decades into its long- term plan to take away Israel's control of Al-Awsa/Quds (and Islam's other highly important sites in Israel).
Khansaheeb
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No, Hizbos are still on the border and IDF won't dare cross it. Where did you get the Litani river stuff from , MOSSAD?
925boy
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I have to push back on this part- without Iranian support, Hamas Mujahideen would not have been able to pull off the OCt. 7 attack and sustain the fighting as effectively as they did until the ceasefire was signed. Iran has been investing in helping Hamas for many many years, it was just undercover- its rockets production upgrades and accurate and firings from trainings, technology, nation-state level support would not have reached this level without Iran -that is a bit lie.
I feel there is this illusion some people have that if Iran didnt support Hamas as much as it did it would have still gotten to where it is today- thats a big lie btw.
How many years was Iran supporting Hamas with 100s of millions of dollars before their disagreement over Assad and while other Arab countries would not give Hamas $ for weapons and govt activities and salaries? Qatar is the only one that provided soooome $$$$ to Gaza in more recent years.
I guess i'm smelling how many people dont want to give Iran its due credit for assisting Gaza defend itself this effectively against Israel- LMAO- the truth is the truth.
Iran lost Syria, but gained a more potent Houthis, and a defeat via Gaza against Israel. Iran is actually at least 2-0 or 3-0 against Israel recently. 2006 war was is 1, this war is another, and i think TP II is a third,there are other more secret passive ones too. Israel has lost alot, and Iran has invested alot and strategically into that, that is just the fact.
but i bet the same people who think Iran's govt has messed up at home and is corrupt and incompetent will also not want to give Iran its credit for successful foreign interventions that are in the interest, even if ideological or religious, of the Iranian people.
Khansaheeb
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Israeli prisoners are important to the Palestinians and not to the Israelis aka the gov, who showed their total disregard and slaughtered enough of the Israeli prisoners held by the Palestinians to prove it.
They can go and wail at the wall
Marquis de Sade
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Hamas is taking the lead arguments of the US and Israel away with this statement.
After 7 october Israel and the US say the main condition for a two state solition is WITHOUT Hamas.
If Hamas gives up power for a Palestinian technocratic government with members from all factions and not only Hamas, then what is the argument to fight for Israel?
Very clever from Hamas. Its like the move from HTS to form a Syrian government without HTS in name but still with HTS members so that the sanctions get lifted.
Khansaheeb
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How can you find them by bombing , wtf?
Khansaheeb
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Whatever, the Palestinians need to learn their lessons and prepare for the next round which will be more brutal. What shocked me the most was the total lack of organisation and purpose within the civilian Gaza population, young men and women aimlessly walking around as if they were on a Sunday picnic before and during the invasion. Every Gazan man, woman and child must be trained to do something during war time, whether as a spotter, digger, medic, spy, fighter, IED expert etc, they should be skilled and experts in something military. Also they should have dug up the roads to trap tanks and vehicles and demolish them at strategic places and dug tunnels deeper into the occupied territories to attack the IDF from behind.
Hassan Al-Somal
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EugeneP
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I think that explanation needs more explanation! Hamas was supposedly a legitimately elected government of Gaza and hence represented the popular opinion of Gazans. Hence, their war on Israel should be considered a war by Gaza against Israel and not by a rump organization. This fact has also been proven that almost up to one year after October 7, 2023, Gazans were supporting the attack on Israel. Now, since Hamas is saying they have won, they should legitimately continue as the government of Gaza. If they decide to quit, it only implies they may suspect that they lack the confidence of the people of Gaza. Which implies they didn't really 'win' the war.
Khansaheeb
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The internet warriors and champions for Palestine who made personal sacrifices for Palestine, may Allah bless them and keep them safe (Palestine need to recognise and award them for their sacrifices), there are many more please do add them:-
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Amy Goodman (born April 13, 1957)<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Goodman#cite_note-Britannica-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> is an American broadcast journalist, syndicated columnist, investigative reporter, and author. Her investigative journalism career includes coverage of the East Timor independence movement, Morocco's occupation of Western Sahara, and Chevron Corporation's role in Nigeria.
The Electronic Intifada (EI) is an online Chicago-based<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Electronic_Intifada#cite_note-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a> publication covering the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. It describes itself as not-for-profit, independent, and providing a Palestinian perspective.
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