The Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict

[hyperman]

So wait a minute,you believe Erdogan is actually full of bullshit. That's what you're saying.
That's he's a liar and a demagogue. And he basically follows a two-faced policy.

Maybe I think he is serious maybe I don't, maybe Erdogan is trolling, maybe he is serious.

But thats for those who need to know to know and those who might find out to find out. lol, maybe its all one big trolling.

As a certain man from Salonica once said.

Bizim de bir takım emellerimiz vardır. Fakat bu emeller herhangi bir renge boyanarak ortaya konulursa, maksat meydana çıkar ve muhalif olanlar ona göre hareket ederler. Onun için, ya Panislamizm derler, yahut Pantürkizm derler, yahut başka bir şey derler. Fakat ne derlerse desinler, biz emelimizi kararlaştırılmış ve çok gizli bir program içinde yürüterek hedefimize varabiliriz.

düşmanlarınıza niyetlerinizi belli etmeyin.

 

[Foinikas]

Maybe I think he is serious maybe I don't, maybe Erdogan is trolling, maybe he is serious.

But thats for those who need to know to know and those who might find out to find out. lol, maybe its all one big trolling.

See? You're not even giving a clear answer on the matter. Eeeeey Haparman! Bak! Bak tairheeee bak!

 

[hyperman]

See? You're not even giving a clear answer on the matter. Eeeeey Haparman! Bak! Bak tairheeee bak!

Its too much fun keeping you in suspense and guessing. If I say, then this ruins our fun.

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[Qaraca]

Well you usually imply we should give up modernizing our Armed Forces,we should accept Turkey's demands etc.


They could have settled this back in the '90s,yeah but...I think there were two problems:

1.The Armenians were very high from their victories and probably thought they could revive the old Armenia. For them,Artsakh was like let's say Greece recovering Eastern Thrace or part of Ionia or like Serbs getting Kosovo back or something.
2.I doubt the Azeris would have settled for anything less than getting back the majority of the parts they lost.


The whole problem was created by the Soviets just like in Moldova,Georgia,Ukraine etc.

They made Nagorno-Karabakh an Autonomous Oblast in Azerbaijan,basically having a majority Armenian population surrounded by Azeris,and gave Naxichevan to Azerbaijan,creating an exclave of Azeris trapped between Armenia,Turkey and Iran. Naxichevan was Armenian,but I don't remember if the Bolsheviks kicked the Armos from there and brought in Azeris or if that was earlier.

Either way,the Soviets started a problem again. Same thing with Moldova and Transnistria,giving South Ossetia and Akbhazia to Georgia,giving Crimea to Ukraine etc.

They did not give anything, both Nakhchivan and Karabakh was controlled by Azerbaijani forces, hence they were included in newly created Azerbaijan SSR. On the other hand Zengezur became part of Armenia SSR for the same reason. There was only one decision regarding Karabakh, where it was decided that it would remain a part of Azerbaijan.

This is an Armenian author:

Q&A with Arsène Saparov: No Evidence that Stalin "Gave" Karabakh to Azerbaijan - Institute of Armenian Studies

Research. Education. Heritage.

dornsife.usc.edu

Yet Armenians have spread the myth of “Staling gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan” to every corner of the internet especially after 2nd Karabakh war.

 

[hyperman]

They did not give anything, both Nakhchivan and Karabakh was controlled by Azerbaijani forces, hence they were included in newly created Azerbaijan SSR. On the other hand Zengezur became part of Armenia SSR for the same reason. There was only one decision regarding Karabakh, where it was decided that it would remain a part of Azerbaijan.

This is an Armenian author:

Q&A with Arsène Saparov: No Evidence that Stalin "Gave" Karabakh to Azerbaijan - Institute of Armenian Studies

Research. Education. Heritage.

dornsife.usc.edu

Yet Armenians have spread the myth of “Staling gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan” to every corner of the internet especially after 2nd Karabakh war.

yep, every armenians who repeats that BS, has not read the actual document.

 

[Qaraca]

yep, every armenians who repeats that BS, has not read the actual document.

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Karabakh was controlled by Azerbaijani forces during 1918-1920, with Sultanov as the governor. Azerbaijani de-facto rule was also recognized at 1920 Paris peace conference.

Khosrov bey Sultanov - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[drkrn86]

My opinion but sentiment is shared among many people, sure that is threat for those but that is geopolitical challenge if mentioned sentiment ever is shaped into concrete political action.

How many nations are willing to elect their governments to bring back Ottoman empire?
The answer is none.

 

[mulj]

How many nations are willing to elect their governments to bring back Ottoman empire?
The answer is none.

at the moment maybe and do not be one dimensional in your thinking, bringing back Ottoman empire does not mean bringing back Ottoman empire, understand?

 

[drkrn86]

at the moment maybe and do not be one dimensional in your thinking, bringing back Ottoman empire does not mean bringing back Ottoman empire, understand?

Yes, at this moment. Even "Ottoman Empire" isn't one dimention in my thinking. No support will be given for Turkey in what ever form to regain it's past glory.

 

[mulj]

Yes, at this moment. Even "Ottoman Empire" isn't one dimention in my thinking. No support will be given for Turkey in what ever form to regain it's past glory.

they are carving their own support and doing fine with that, better then any regional actor.

 

[Eşbah]

Armenia is preparing for war.

The Armenian Armed Forces continue to dig trenches in the direction of Kelbajar.

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[Foinikas]

Armenia is preparing for war.

The Armenian Armed Forces continue to dig trenches in the direction of Kelbajar.

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Azeris have been occupying parts of Armenia proper since the end of the war. That doesn't mean that Armenians can fight a war right now of course,they can't.

 

[hyperman]

Azeris have been occupying parts of Armenia proper since the end of the war. That doesn't mean that Armenians can fight a war right now of course,they can't.

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there is a border delimitation going on right now, i don't expect any conflict. It's not impossible but unlikely. There is nothing to be gained for Azerbaijan.

 

[Foinikas]

It's not impossible but unlikely. There is nothing to be gained for Azerbaijan.

More land for Azerbaijan,more loss for Armenians actually.

 

[hyperman]

More land for Azerbaijan,more loss for Armenians actually.

That land is worthless, its only hills and only creates headaches as the legal basis is shaky especially when both parties have agreed to border demarcation based around soviet borders. The reasoning for taking the land initially doesn't exist anymore as Armenia has agreed to give back the land it was occupying and agreed to border demarcations based on Soviet borders that they were resisting initially. The last element people mention is Zangezur, but taking Zangezur will bring a confrontation with Iran b/c it cuts off their access to the north via armenia.