PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe

And this bolt statement is based on the fact that the PLAAF is slowing down its own acquisition due to the service entry of more and more J-16, J-20 and soon J-35, the fact that the long proclaimed additional J-10CEs for Pakistan up to "maybe close to 80" are still not seen and that regardless endless claims of additional sales to whatever rumoured country still no deal is confirmed?

Don't get me wrong and the J-10C is still one of my most favourite fighters, but such claims make no sense at all.
 
And this bolt statement is based on the fact that the PLAAF is slowing down its own acquisition due to the service entry of more and more J-16, J-20 and soon J-35, the fact that the long proclaimed additional J-10CEs for Pakistan up to "maybe close to 80" are still not seen and that regardless endless claims of additional sales to whatever rumoured country still no deal is confirmed?

Don't get me wrong and the J-10C is still one of my most favourite fighters, but such claims make no sense at all.
Your statement of this and that still did not prove that j10c is turning out yo be game changer ... even chinese are slowing down on it as they moved on to better platform but countries like pakistan, India European countries and other airforce have not moved to all 5th gen force production
 
Your statement of this and that still did not prove that j10c is turning out yo be game changer ... even chinese are slowing down on it as they moved on to better platform but countries like pakistan, India European countries and other airforce have not moved to all 5th gen force production


Pardon, in your original post you claim the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ while not really much supports this and now you post just another strange post that in fact almost exactly repeats my argument, so why did you post the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“??
 
Pardon, in your original post you claim the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ while not really much supports this and now you post just another strange post that in fact almost exactly repeats my argument, so why did you post the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“??
apart from everything, just a simple Q are u autistic in some way or any other psyc condition u possess?
 
apart from everything, just a simple Q are u autistic in some way or any other psyc condition u possess?


Maybe it is a language issue but what‘s your point?

He made a statement like „the sky is green“ and I asked why he thinks so since any evidence we have it is NOT green and then he replies in a long post that „this and that and noting specific!“

All I miss are examples why he initially thinks the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ and kindly asked in return?

Why are you stepping into this discussion and a most offensive or even insulting tone instead of explaining why my concern may be wrong?
 
Maybe it is a language issue but what‘s your point?

He made a statement like „the sky is green“ and I asked why he thinks so since any evidence we have it is NOT green and then he replies in a long post that „this and that and noting specific!“

All I miss are examples why he initially thinks the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ and kindly asked in return?

Why are you stepping into this discussion and a most offensive or even insulting tone instead of explaining why my concern may be wrong?
what are your questions or heartburn on my statement that j10c is turning out to be a game changer ?
 
what are your questions or heartburn on my statement that j10c is turning out to be a game changer ?


The point is, it is exactly like so many wrong and totally hyperbole posts by the well-known Indian fan-boys and could almost be the same „Tejas is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ when in fact only one customer is known, the numbers are stalling and the next generation is already on the horizon.

I don't want to compare your post with some Indian ones, but the claim the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ needs some support since otherwise all current facts are showing exactly the opposite exactly like I explained:

- the PLAAF is slowing down its procurement and so CAC production
- from Pakistan's alleged second order or even additional contract for "up to +80" is nothing heard anymore
- rumours about additional contracts - as celebrated by some over-eager fan-boys - to Egypt, Sudan and whatever seem to be either fake-news or no news were heard recently.

... so not a single recent news suggests „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“! And now you ... why do you think so? Or was it just a post to post something?
 
The point is, it is exactly like so many wrong and totally hyperbole posts by the well-known Indian fan-boys and could almost be the same „Tejas is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ when in fact only one customer is known, the numbers are stalling and the next generation is already on the horizon.

I don't want to compare your post with some Indian ones, but the claim the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ needs some support since otherwise all current facts are showing exactly the opposite exactly like I explained:

- the PLAAF is slowing down its procurement and so CAC production
- from Pakistan's alleged second order or even additional contract for "up to +80" is nothing heard anymore
- rumours about additional contracts - as celebrated by some over-eager fan-boys - to Egypt, Sudan and whatever seem to be either fake-news or no news were heard recently.

... so not a single recent news suggests „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“! And now you ... why do you think so? Or was it just a post to post something?

Deino, why don't you just ignore posts like that instead of getting yourself worked up? You can clearly see it's not worth wasting your time or energy on.
 
The point is, it is exactly like so many wrong and totally hyperbole posts by the well-known Indian fan-boys and could almost be the same „Tejas is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ when in fact only one customer is known, the numbers are stalling and the next generation is already on the horizon.

I don't want to compare your post with some Indian ones, but the claim the „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“ needs some support since otherwise all current facts are showing exactly the opposite exactly like I explained:

- the PLAAF is slowing down its procurement and so CAC production
- from Pakistan's alleged second order or even additional contract for "up to +80" is nothing heard anymore
- rumours about additional contracts - as celebrated by some over-eager fan-boys - to Egypt, Sudan and whatever seem to be either fake-news or no news were heard recently.

... so not a single recent news suggests „J10C is turning out to be a game changer across the globe“! And now you ... why do you think so? Or was it just a post to post something?
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Again ... this all still based on some obscure reports and nothing officially confirmed! Please do not again post this endless posts of that Egypt will get it, will build them in licence and even more so later J-35!
 
Deino, why don't you just ignore posts like that instead of getting yourself worked up? You can clearly see it's not worth wasting your time or energy on.
In fairness to @Deino these reports are populating the discourse to the point where it's hard to reach valuable discussions.
 
Again ... this all still based on some obscure reports and nothing officially confirmed! Please do not again post this endless posts of that Egypt will get it, will build them in licence and even more so later J-35!
Announcing arms deals is with the consent of the seller and buyer, and most Chinese weapons only appear in war inspections. Egypt has not announced any arms deal with China except for the K-8E tender since 1999. You are ignoring the nature of contracts between Egypt and China. I do not benefit from signing arms deals between Egypt and China. The matters are related to negotiations and numerous visits that have taken place since 2022 between Egypt and China. Most of the eastern arms deals are happening without announcement, and even some contracts with France and Italy are not announced. I am in Egypt, monitoring the visits that take place and what results from them. Things in Egypt are according to armament plans and military councils. There are indicators that China is accelerating in improving the capabilities of the J-10 aircraft, although its military demands for the aircraft are almost complete. Adding new ammunition, weapons packages, and testing other engines with higher capabilities is not related to Chinese demands, but to the demands of international customers. There are also significant indicators of growing relations between Egypt and China. More than 6 Chinese car brands have moved to production in Egypt. The Nasr City market has an initial production volume of 250,000 cars, in addition to the production of 6 million home appliances in the same year, Nasr and more than 5 mobile phones and investments in the iron and steel, clothing and chemical industries from China. The volume of Chinese investments in Egypt has grown in 4 months by an increase of about 8 billion dollars, not only because of the American and European protectionist measures on Chinese industry and exports. China has placed Egypt among 5 countries that produce within it for export, not only economic relations, but within a broader and larger cooperation program. The most important point, as we explained previously, is that Egypt has military forces and is heading towards the best according to its needs. The fact that the reports that announced that Nasr rejected Western and Russian fighters and headed to China are not all press reports or amateurs as you think. What makes Egypt head towards the company is the company's ability to produce aircraft faster than the West, thus meeting Egyptian demands at the appropriate times for Egypt. The fact that fighters have not arrived in Egypt so far is a simple matter. Egypt has requested updates and modifications to the aircraft, which makes there a volume of updates carried out by the Chinese side according to Egyptian demands, so Egypt will not hide the aircraft Rather, it is only announced at appropriate times for it and also after the arrival of the aircraft. However, if the matter is related to a personal opinion, I would have preferred that Egypt request an additional batch of MIG-35 fighters, but the Russians failed to develop the radars at the appropriate time for Egypt, so the Russian aircraft will not be ready until after 2027 with a radar with the required detection range and other modifications. Therefore, Egypt’s direction towards China is not so much the result of preference, but rather of China’s readiness and ability to develop Egyptian demands more quickly.
 
Announcing arms deals is with the consent of the seller and buyer, and most Chinese weapons only appear in war inspections. Egypt has not announced any arms deal with China except for the K-8E tender since 1999. You are ignoring the nature of contracts between Egypt and China. I do not benefit from signing arms deals between Egypt and China. The matters are related to negotiations and numerous visits that have taken place since 2022 between Egypt and China. Most of the eastern arms deals are happening without announcement, and even some contracts with France and Italy are not announced. I am in Egypt, monitoring the visits that take place and what results from them. Things in Egypt are according to armament plans and military councils. There are indicators that China is accelerating in improving the capabilities of the J-10 aircraft, although its military demands for the aircraft are almost complete. Adding new ammunition, weapons packages, and testing other engines with higher capabilities is not related to Chinese demands, but to the demands of international customers. There are also significant indicators of growing relations between Egypt and China. More than 6 Chinese car brands have moved to production in Egypt. The Nasr City market has an initial production volume of 250,000 cars, in addition to the production of 6 million home appliances in the same year, Nasr and more than 5 mobile phones and investments in the iron and steel, clothing and chemical industries from China. The volume of Chinese investments in Egypt has grown in 4 months by an increase of about 8 billion dollars, not only because of the American and European protectionist measures on Chinese industry and exports. China has placed Egypt among 5 countries that produce within it for export, not only economic relations, but within a broader and larger cooperation program. The most important point, as we explained previously, is that Egypt has military forces and is heading towards the best according to its needs. The fact that the reports that announced that Nasr rejected Western and Russian fighters and headed to China are not all press reports or amateurs as you think. What makes Egypt head towards the company is the company's ability to produce aircraft faster than the West, thus meeting Egyptian demands at the appropriate times for Egypt. The fact that fighters have not arrived in Egypt so far is a simple matter. Egypt has requested updates and modifications to the aircraft, which makes there a volume of updates carried out by the Chinese side according to Egyptian demands, so Egypt will not hide the aircraft Rather, it is only announced at appropriate times for it and also after the arrival of the aircraft. However, if the matter is related to a personal opinion, I would have preferred that Egypt request an additional batch of MIG-35 fighters, but the Russians failed to develop the radars at the appropriate time for Egypt, so the Russian aircraft will not be ready until after 2027 with a radar with the required detection range and other modifications. Therefore, Egypt’s direction towards China is not so much the result of preference, but rather of China’s readiness and ability to develop Egyptian demands more quickly.


So in the end again and almost Andrea’s post with lots of empty words … the most important part however is, that contrary to all your bolt claims some time again, like Egypt will surely get them, a contract is already signed … we will built them in licence followed by the J-35 for the whole ME … is now reduced to „There are indicators that China is accelerating in improving the capabilities of the J-10 aircraft, although its military demands for the aircraft are almost complete.“ aka NOTHING fixed yet!

Again proving my point.
 
Been lurking for a long time.
@Deino , you dont have to comment/negate everyone's subjective opinions. This will result in endless useless debate.
Are the contracts for J-10 signed? We dont know for sure.
Are countries interested in J-10? I (at least) definitely think so.

If i say i like music from a certain Band and you dont like it, nothing i can say will make you change your mind as its a subjective opinion.

Have a break, have a Kit-kat
 
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