Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[hussain0216]

And why should any Arabs (as in states) be risking wars and their own safety due to the utter stupidity of Hamas and its backers? Let your beloved Mullah's in Iran take on Israel and USA after 46 years of constant barking. I don't know any sane Arab that wants to go to war with Israel/USA/entire West for the sake of Hamas or any non-state actor or group.

Palestinians themselves are not even united themselves. What were 2 million Palestinians doing within Israel proper? Or in the West Bank? Hardly much. To date there is no formal unified Palestinain government that is representing all (or as many Palestinians as possible) across the occupied territories. West Bank is ruled by Abbas/PLO dictators (not much unlike rest of Arab/Muslim world - difference is that they are incapable of providing even the basics and deeply unpopular) and Gaza is besieged and has been ruled by Hams for 19 years. Look, I have no problem with Hamas nor is it my business who Palestinians are ruled by (among their own) but don't expect sovereign states to risk their own livelihoods, stability etc. for the sake of an armed group (that represents some Palestinians but not all naturally) whose attack (which kickstarted this Israeli massacre and war crimes) was not shared with any state.

And Jordan cannot do anything against Israel militarily. UAE is far away and not involved. Egypt did the right thing as did KSA (worked for a diplomatic solution plus aid).

No country, whether Muslim, Arab or whatever is doing that so why should Egypt, Jordan, KSA or UAE do it again?

Where is 250 million big nuclear armed Pakistan?

Nobody is sleeping, I already wrote some facts about Arab demographics, the size and riches of the Arab world and current and future projected economic power. You can continue living in some alternative universe of Israel annexing the entire Arab world when they can't even defeat Hamas in tiny besieged Gaza.

How hard is it to understand that there is no military solution to this 76 year old conflict? How hard it is to understand that only Israelis and Palestinians (not other Arabs) can solve it? The ball is mostly in the Israeli court. If not for them, there would have been a two-state solution long ago. Stop obsessing or blaming Arabs for things/events they have little to do with and can do little about.

As for your nonsense about that false/weak ahadith, not going to repeat myself, House of Saud are originally from Eastern Arabia, not Najd, nor has Makkah or Madinah ever been under any "Zionist" control and few dynasties have done more for Islam and Muslims in the modern era. Clearly only the absurd talking points of sect members belonging to a certain deluded/false group.

Your not risking anything for Hamas,

If you can't find the honour to stand and fight for al aqsa then what worth are the Arabs from these countries?

You ask about Pakistan and other countries, but the Arab states are next door of you took a stand the Muslim world would stand with you

You are blocking actions against Israel for U.S favor and because you hid your money in the west and can't risk it

 

[Mobius]

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[_Arabia_]

Your not risking anything for Hamas,

If you can't find the honour to stand and fight for al aqsa then what worth are the Arabs from these countries?

You ask about Pakistan and other countries, but the Arab states are next door of you took a stand the Muslim world would stand with you

You are blocking actions against Israel for U.S favor and because you hid your money in the west and can't risk it

7th of October had nothing to do with Al-Quds (which is located in the West Bank, remember?) nor is any state (nation state) going to risk all-out war with Israel/West/USA due to an attack from Hamas that was kept a secret from anybody else, even other Palestinian factions let alone the official Palestinian government (West Bank). You know the one that represents Palestine in all official meetings, in the UN, Arab League etc.

No, I don't ask for anything as I know that nation states are only in it for their own interests hence why nobody fought alongside Hamas and why no other state was officially involved as in declaring war on Israel. I prefer to live in the real world and speak the truth (even if uncomfortable for some) rather than delude myself. In this context KSA is not any worse or any better than any other nation state except for KSA having done much more for Palestine historically speaking than most in the modern era, let alone the Islamic era in the past 1400-1500 years as I already explained in detail and which is common knowledge for any educated person or Muslim. Does that mean that more could not be done? Obviously not.

But this Arab obsession is a bit of a joke considering Islamic history and even the modern era. If not for Arabs, Palestinians in Gaza would likely have been ethnically cleansed and Gaza overtaken by illegal settlers. Yet even policies to prevent that from the likes of Egypt are criticized here. Hard to argue with such people.

 

[_Arabia_]

It even becomes more comical when this nonsense is being written by people sitting/living in the West and paying taxes to said governments (UK, US) who are the ones directly funding the Israeli war machine and directly responsible for the massacres in Gaza, war crimes and overall Israeli policy since 1948. It is not the Arabs who are founding or supporting this actively in any shape or form.

It is not Arab bombs/weapons who are killing Gazans, it is not Arab politicians or states who are aiding this massacre actively. It is not Arab people who support it.

It is your countries (the countries of your citizenship) and your MONEY that is doing it. Stop projecting onto others that have no part in any of that.

Even more absurd when the people (in this case Saudi Arabians) have been more generous towards Palestine in terms of aid and monetary support (we cannot really do anything else unfortunately) than most others. This is not bragging for the sake of it as it is pointless and an Arab and Islamic duty but I refuse to look silently at this enormous hypocrisy and throwing stones when living in a tiny glass house.

The brutal truth, which has been evident even before 1948, is also, that Arabs and Muslims cannot do much against the backers (the ones enabling Israel and the ones that created it in the first place) of Israel which surprise, surprise, is the same West/US that you guys are citizens of and pay your taxes/money to that later help kill Gazans/Palestinians. This is also the hard cold truth but better to ignore this as well, I guess and write insults/point fingers at others to feel better.

This and expecting Arabs to somehow commit collective suicide by engaging in an all-out war with Israel/West/NATO. That sounds like a great plan. Next the new Syrian government should march on Israel to commit collective suicide as well. Meanwhile the likes of Iran will sit back, fire some useless fire crackers (that have yet to kill 1 single Israeli), bark for another 46 years, create a few more terrorist proxy groups, help destroy a few more Arab Muslim nations and meanwhile they will receive widespread blind praise from the "Muslim masses". A joke to put it mildly.

 

[_Arabia_]

What annoys me even more is that people here (many users at least) are making politics, showing their sectarian bias, racial obsessions on the top of a massacre of Palestinians. And somehow we as Arabs are supposed to ally with such people and work with such people who cannot even set apart their hatred/biases/nonsense even in such events?

They are more busy attacking Arabs, Muslims than Israel. All while living in giant glass houses as I already explained for all to see.

Meanwhile we are just supposed to accept this type of nonsense/agenda/crazy talk and when we oppose it for all to see with sound arguments, we are labelled as infidels, Zionists and other such nonsense and personal slurs.

Solutions? Zero. Healthy criticism? Zero. Looking at the wider picture and long-term aim or plans? Zero. Just emotional/ignorant nonsense devoid of any logic, historical knowledge or sense.

It even goes so far as moderators here from a certain country (Iran) are criticizing Egypt for not accepting Gazans and thus directly facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza. Even such absurdities are somehow manufactured as some kind of secret "Zionist" agenda. Really a waste of time but carry on with the nonsense and alternative universe reality.

 

[Mobius]

100%. It was a European problem to solve. But the Arab leaders betrayed Islam and made a deal with the devil himself and sold out the the British.....

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[Mobius]

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[_Arabia_]

100%. It was a European problem to solve. But the Arab leaders betrayed Islam and made a deal with the devil himself and sold out the the British.....

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What betrayal are you even blabbering about? The only betrayal was from the British and the international community. It was the Europeans, not Arabs, who were massacring European Jews and later the same European Jews (who were already powerful in the likes of the US and UK) helped/bribed create Israel as a compensation for events during WW2 that once again had no relationship to any Arabs or the Arab world. Rest is history.

Also the Jewish problem already emerged in the 1880's when the first Jewish migrations into Palestine occurred under the watch of the Ottomans who at that time were heavily influenced by Jews within the system. By the time the Arab revolt occurred Zionism was already in existence and Jews in Palestine and elsewhere (across the entire world) were already working towards the goal of Israel. The Ottoman empire was also collapsing with numerous revolts within Anatolia itself, Balkans and everywhere else. Arabs were just one of the more successful revolts (the ones - minority overall of Arabs that were a part of the Ottomans formally).

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Also events from 100 + years ago have nothing to do with any Arabs alive today nor does that somehow relate to what Israel has been doing since 1948 which again has nothing to do with Arabs.

If Arabs had a say there would never have been any Israel to begin with but carry on with the propaganda.

Besides NO Arabs (outside of a tiny minority of Palestinians) ever welcomed any European Jews. What happened after the establishment of Israel was in fact that Arab Jews (who had been living in the Arab world for millennia - largely peacefully) were forced to or had to migrate to Israel which is why they make up the majority of Jews today.

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Try to educated yourself about the actual historical events rather tahn watch Imran Hussein troll videos.

 

[FuturePAF]

What people would tolerate a siege, especially in this day and age, the way the Palestinians have been enduring.

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[Meengla]

Egypt can't punish the whole world trade by closing the Suez Canal..and turn the world against it for Gaza..it has its own people to protect too..

Arabs went to 4 open wars with Israel that was backed militarily by France and England and then by the US.. the military solution did not work to liberate Palestine..

Unfortunately too many people don't see your point. But as @GoMig-21 can confirm: I have been mentioning the other (Muslim) sides of the argument since day one of this thread, going back to the old PDF.
No Arab country, with the possible exception of Yemen, is willing to invite self destruction for a few million Palestinians or even for the Muslim holy places. The West has just majorly dented Russia--Russia!! What are the Muslims countries in comparison? Where are the dreamers of BRICS and China in the anti-America order?? Also, people have been calling Turkey all the names in this thread. I don't. They have their commercial/economy reasons. I just thought Erdogan could have been quieter about Palestine. Now even Iran is retrenching from its 4+ decades policies.
There are two sides to every argument. But most of the cheer leaders for regional wars in this forum don't seem to be living in the Middle East itself: They are expats living in the West or if they are from Muslim countries then they are more peripheral countries.
Bottomline is: No Muslim nation, with the exception of Yemen, wants to be destroyed by the limitless American carpet bombings especially when there is a President like Trump who can literally get away with murder at home and abroad.

@_Arabia_

 

[Meengla]

I want to LAUGH at those idiots here and those Muslim Imams who took pics with Trump based on Trump saying 'I am going to stop the war in Gaza'. Some of them, right around the 2024 elections, realized they made the wrong call but...
Look at this and ponder the potentials of this.
I had warned you about 'self muzzling'!!

Live Updates: Israel's Gaza invasion - Day 746

Live Updates: Israel has been bombarding Gaza, killing thousands of Palestinians, since Hamas launched a deadly offensive on Oct 7, 2023.

www.dawn.com

Trump administration to cancel student visas of all ‘Hamas sympathisers’, White House says​

US President Donald Trump will sign an executive order to combat antisemitism and pledge to deport non-citizen college students and other resident aliens who took part in pro-Palestinian protests, a White House official has said, Reuters reports.

A fact sheet on the order said Trump would order the Justice Department to “aggressively prosecute terroristic threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews”.

“To all the resident aliens who joined in the pro-jihadist protests, we put you on notice: come 2025, we will find you, and we will deport you,” Trump said in the fact sheet. “I will also quickly cancel the student visas of all Hamas sympathisers on college campuses, which have been infested with radicalism like never before.”

 

[Aziqbal]

Truly shocking. The real Holocaust took place in Gaza...And the rest of the Arabs watched like obedient Dogs of the Zionists with little to no action. Never forget.....

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and every time these crimes were committed Israel would role out their Jewish cheerleaders Mr Pom Poms like Douglas Murray et al denying accountability and covering up the Genocide saying that Hamas hides in civilian areas the State department is also guilty of it and covering up

all of those should now be seeded by the full force of the law

Poland should be sanctioned because they are refusing to uphold the arrest Warrant issued by the ICC to allow Netanyahu to visit Auschwitz on Holocaust Memorial Day

 

[Meengla]

I want to LAUGH at those idiots here and those Muslim Imams who took pics with Trump based on Trump saying 'I am going to stop the war in Gaza'. Some of them, right around the 2024 elections, realized they made the wrong call but...
Look at this and ponder the potentials of this.
I had warned you about 'self muzzling'!!

Live Updates: Israel's Gaza invasion - Day 746

Live Updates: Israel has been bombarding Gaza, killing thousands of Palestinians, since Hamas launched a deadly offensive on Oct 7, 2023.

www.dawn.com

Trump administration to cancel student visas of all ‘Hamas sympathisers’, White House says​

US President Donald Trump will sign an executive order to combat antisemitism and pledge to deport non-citizen college students and other resident aliens who took part in pro-Palestinian protests, a White House official has said, Reuters reports.

A fact sheet on the order said Trump would order the Justice Department to “aggressively prosecute terroristic threats, arson, vandalism and violence against American Jews”.

“To all the resident aliens who joined in the pro-jihadist protests, we put you on notice: come 2025, we will find you, and we will deport you,” Trump said in the fact sheet. “I will also quickly cancel the student visas of all Hamas sympathisers on college campuses, which have been infested with radicalism like never before.”

This is not going to stop at 'Resident Aliens'.
It requires some study of history and of fascism and of living embedded with the Americans--and not in immigrants' silos--and for decades to understand the moral fabric of America and the cadres of its political parties. And I have a long experience in all that. Actually, most of my life. So what I had been warning about in the many months were based on deep understanding.
And mind you: I had actually voted for Trump in 2020 but in 2024 I knew he would be a disaster for the Palestinians and so I didn't vote for him. But then some people can't rise above the 'woke' and President Biden--who was the second best gift to Israel after Trump!
And why is 'woke' so bad? Yes, the Democrats abused that but the same 'wokism' would have saved you sorry student a$$ against fascism like this!!

 

[_Arabia_]

Unfortunately too many people don't see your point. But as @GoMig-21 can confirm: I have been mentioning the other (Muslim) sides of the argument since day one of this thread, going back to the old PDF.
No Arab country, with the possible exception of Yemen, is willing to invite self destruction for a few million Palestinians or even for the Muslim holy places. The West has just majorly dented Russia--Russia!! What are the Muslims countries in comparison? Where are the dreamers of BRICS and China in the anti-America order?? Also, people have been calling Turkey all the names in this thread. I don't. They have their commercial/economy reasons. I just thought Erdogan could have been quieter about Palestine. Now even Iran is retrenching from its 4+ decades policies.
There are two sides to every argument. But most of the cheer leaders for regional wars in this forum don't seem to be living in the Middle East itself: They are expats living in the West or if they are from Muslim countries then they are more peripheral countries.
Bottomline is: No Muslim nation, with the exception of Yemen, wants to be destroyed by the limitless American carpet bombings especially when there is a President like Trump who can literally get away with murder at home and abroad.

@_Arabia_

Good post overall.

Small addition about Yemen here. It is only the Houthi controlled areas of Yemen (Northern Yemen mostly) and believe me when I say that the Houthis have the ability to harm Israel much more than they have done so far which amounts to very little. A Houthi drone has killed just 1 Israeli and their missile attacks have not even killed 1 Israeli. Even they know their limits and they are not willing to go "all in" in fear of massive US/Israeli retaliations. You saw a clear reduction of their missile and drone attacks after the last major Israeli attack.

Mostly it is about using Palestine and the cause of Palestine for internal consumption and to strengthen their grip on Northern Yemen. it is politics.

The average Yemeni is gullible and while I don't blame them for being pro-Palestine (something almost every Arab is), they have little to lose. Would be a completely different thing if not the case. Besides geography (mountains) and distance is also helping them greatly.

But even despite all this, Houthi media/spokes people, people of importance, Twitter propagandist are almost more obsessed/focused about KSA than Israel. Anyway it is a failed region of Yemen (perpetually failed in the modern era - contrary to the ancient and rich history of Yemen) and it would take at least 1-2 generations before they become wiser overall. Talking about internal Yemeni politics and divisions here. Add the massive population growth, continued idiotic focus on khat production (rather than agriculture - Yemen has a big potential in this regard), tribalism on steroids, corruption, gun culture etc. and it is not without reason that Northern Yemen is often compared to Afghanistan and not in a positive way. But if their people are content living in a massively failed country (Houthi-controlled part) it is their business. Just like many Afghans apparently support going back to the Middle Ages in 2025. Not much outsiders can do about this mentality. Not sure we should anyway, just need to do what you need to do but from the perspective of KSA in regards to Yemen and from the perspective of Pakistan in regards to Afghanistan.