Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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The SC said:
"Displacement is an injustice that we cannot participate in" .. historical statements by His Excellency President Abdel Fattah El -Sisi

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I only take him for his word not that he truly cares about Palestinians but even he couldn’t last from the fallout of a “peaceful” migration to Sinai……..side note seriously this is what I mean when presidents who speak of peaceful transition and only wish to serve their people but somehow never want to leave.
 
Persian Gulf said:
show me large civil protests in West Bank in solidarity with Gaza.
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How can you protest when the PA arrests anyone that shows dissent?

The PA is corrupt and I can talk crap about them all day but they are right about one thing. If the Arab and Muslim world are not gonna stand by us, how can they fight Israel backed by Western powers?

You think the West Bank is armed to the teeth? West Bank town and cities are blocked from each other. Israel surrounds the town, attack from all angles and take who they need. Gaza has been reduced to rubble while being way better equipped than sleeper cells with assault rifles.

The entire West Bank borders is controlled by Israel and even towns are restricted from other towns. Where is the weapons and support going to come from? Those with the means to fight are doing what they can at their disposal.

This fight is NOT just the Palestinian people’s fight, it is the duty for ALL Muslims. You expect too much from a people under occupation with no arms coming in.

A few sleeper cells with basic weapons is not gonna put a dent in Israel. They will go in there, demolish the entire city. Will the Muslims come to their aid? As we witnessed with Gaza genocide, NO because no one came to Gazas aid.

Up to 100,000 or more people died with not a whimper from most Muslim states. Hezbollah let Israel control the rules of engagement and paid the price. They agreed to ceasefire and Gaza was left ALONE. Yemen while admirable with closing the shipping lanes and hitting some targets is not enough. Iran did some strikes in retaliation with no casualties to show their capabilities. You think that is enough?

If Iran cannot or will not attack Israel because of USA. You think a bunch of ill equipped fighters can stand a chance against Israel backed by the West with the most advanced weapons system in the world?

I am pro Resistence but I am also realistic. While the resistance is still there fighting, let’s not act like the people of Gaza did not suffer or pay a heavy price. The price they paid DID NOT wake any Muslim powers.

This genocide showed the world, Palestine is alone. Some tech for homemade rockets or antique antitank rockets is NOT enough. The Palestinian people are resilient and will fight no matter the costs but sending them just to die with no reinforcements or providing them with arms is stupid.

Palestine will not be free until the Muslim countries choose to back them. Right now, the entire Muslim world (states) have abandoned them.

Edit: Palestine needs Muslim armies not prayers or voiced outrage. I do not see that coming even if West Bank just like Gaza is reduced to rubble. This is the reality.
 
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_Arabia_ said:
I wrote sitting literally before your quoted my message. It was clearly a writing mistake. Besides why is this troll getting personnel and making idiotic generalizations because he is incapable of arguing or making his case?

What is this thread, some kind of echo chamber where you should share the exact same nonsense views of a few vocal users who keep repeating themselves 24/7, pointing fingers 24/7 at others while living in glass houses themselves?

Sorry, I don't equal Hamas with Gazans or Palestinians nor am I bound to consider them equal to Islam or Palestine or any rulers for that matter. That is blasphemy in my eyes. But apparently you are an "infidel" if that is the case. According to the same trolls here.

7th of October was careless and resulted in the greatest harm to Palestinians since the Nabka in 1948. I don't understand how any sane person can deem it to be a success. Unless they value Palestinian lives to be worth nothing.

And I stand by Palestinians having had useless leadership by large since 1948. It has shown in events on the ground.
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Sorry but this is a cope. Israel is a strategic threat to the region, irrespective of the echo chamber you mention here. This little overly pro -Iran echo chamber on the forum is a tiny place on the internet. They don't have such real influence in real life nor such a large voice on the internet.

Israel is a strategic threat because the way it leads itself. Not because some people here say so and use it to bash Arabs. The Arab bashing has to stop as we all have a shared responsibility to address this strategic threat. They will stunt the potential of the region, especially those in the immediate vicinity (Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan) will never recognize their true potential. Syria especially will be bullied with economic sanctions and military threats and remain in a third world state. Despite Syrians being educated and successful people.

The best thing is for Saudi led axis and Iran led axis respect each others boundaries and to both get creative on how to confront this threat. Saudis have a long term non-violent vision, while Iran's approach it with a military solution. Both are good, Iran could prove very useful in this regard. And Saudis diplomacy can also prove useful. Maybe Saudis help secure future for Syria and help strengthen Egypt, that's also good.

I no longer believe Arabs or Iranians will initiative the strategic showdown with Israel. I believe Israel will lose its mind and trigger a series of events that would address the strategic Israeli threat.
 
_Arabia_ said:
And I stand by Palestinians having had useless leadership by large since 1948. It has shown in events on the ground.
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Not as useless as the Arab world or Muslim world right now. Palestinians are dying everyday resisting while Muslim leaders voice their fake outrage.

Billions of dollars on shiny weapons with no balls to use them.
 
Falcon29 said:
Sorry but this is a cope. Israel is a strategic threat to the region, irrespective of the echo chamber you mention here. This little overly pro -Iran echo chamber on the forum is a tiny place on the internet. They don't have such real influence in real life nor such a large voice on the internet.

Israel is a strategic threat because the way it leads itself. Not because some people here say so and use it to bash Arabs. The Arab bashing has to stop as we all have a shared responsibility to address this strategic threat. They will stunt the potential of the region, especially those in the immediate vicinity (Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan) will never recognize their true potential. Syria especially will be bullied with economic sanctions and military threats and remain in a third world state. Despite Syrians being educated and successful people.

The best thing is for Saudi led axis and Iran led axis respect each others boundaries and to both get creative on how to confront this threat. Saudis have a long term non-violent vision, while Iran's approach it with a military solution. Both are good, Iran could prove very useful in this regard. And Saudis diplomacy can also prove useful. Maybe Saudis help secure future for Syria and help strengthen Egypt, that's also good.

I no longer believe Arabs or Iranians will initiative the strategic showdown with Israel. I believe Israel will lose its mind and trigger a series of events that would address the strategic Israeli threat.
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If Palestinians do not resist and their land is taken and they are expelled, they will be blamed for not resisting.

If Palestinians resist occupation and oppression and are ethnically cleansed like the genocide in Gaza, Palestinians will be blamed for resisting.

These people only want to make themselves feel better for their uselessness, no matter which direction Palestinians take they will find a way to blame Palestinians.

Sorry, the cowardice of the Muslim world has shown since 1948 and the genocide of Gaza greatly exposed these cucks.
 
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Dalit said:
Trump insists that Egypt, Jordan will take in Palestinians from Gaza

Trump insists that Egypt, Jordan will take in Palestinians from Gaza

'They will do it...We do a lot for them, and they're going to do it,' president says, while Cairo and Amman vehemently reject controversial plan
www.yenisafak.com www.yenisafak.com
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Palestinians will resist it, even if Egyptians agreed. Now is the time Palestinians show the Evil Colonizer Scum, Trump, who own the land of Gaza! Palestinians will never budge an inch from their Motherland.

Trump can just go fukk himself.
 
StrategicBear said:
Palestinians will resist it, even if Egyptians agreed. Now is the time Palestinians show the Evil Colonizer Scum, Trump, who own the land of Gaza!

Trump can just go to Hell.
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The Egyptians and Jordanians are going to fold under US pressure.
 
StrategicBear said:
Palestinians will resist it, even if Egyptians agreed. Now is the time Palestinians show the Evil Colonizer Scum, Trump, who own the land of Gaza! Palestinians will never budge an inch from their Motherland.

Trump can just go fukk himself.
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Dalit said:
The Egyptians and Jordanians are going to fold under US pressure.
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Sisi and King of Jordan are NOT going to allow the transfer of people from Gaza to their own countries. I very much dislike both of them but even with that said they will not do that.
 
_Arabia_ said:
What annoys me even more is that people here (many users at least) are making politics, showing their sectarian bias, racial obsessions on the top of a massacre of Palestinians. And somehow we as Arabs are supposed to ally with such people and work with such people who cannot even set apart their hatred/biases/nonsense even in such events?

They are more busy attacking Arabs, Muslims than Israel. All while living in giant glass houses as I already explained for all to see.

Meanwhile we are just supposed to accept this type of nonsense/agenda/crazy talk and when we oppose it for all to see with sound arguments, we are labelled as infidels, Zionists and other such nonsense and personal slurs.

Solutions? Zero. Healthy criticism? Zero. Looking at the wider picture and long-term aim or plans? Zero. Just emotional/ignorant nonsense devoid of any logic, historical knowledge or sense.

It even goes so far as moderators here from a certain country (Iran) are criticizing Egypt for not accepting Gazans and thus directly facilitating the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Gaza. Even such absurdities are somehow manufactured as some kind of secret "Zionist" agenda. Really a waste of time but carry on with the nonsense and alternative universe reality.
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Instead of focusing your attention on the topic - you again have a rant about mods? What the hell is wrong with you?
You are becoming like a broken record. Stick to the topic and don’t get personal.
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Unknowntruth said:
How can you protest when the PA arrests anyone that shows dissent?

The PA is corrupt and I can talk crap about them all day but they are right about one thing. If the Arab and Muslim world are not gonna stand by us, how can they fight Israel backed by Western powers?

You think the West Bank is armed to the teeth? West Bank town and cities are blocked from each other. Israel surrounds the town, attack from all angles and take who they need. Gaza has been reduced to rubble while being way better equipped than sleeper cells with assault rifles.
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On one hand you say PA has the right strategy and on the other hand you say the situation in the West Bank is terrible. Whose strategies led to that situation?

Protests in West Bank are possible. They just don't happen. We have not seen large attempts at protests that are then shut down by the PA, so the idea the PA suppression is the only reason these protests don't happen is not true. We see huge protests around the world even in countries deeply beholden to Zionists.

And it's not just the West Bank. It's also in Jordan where we don't see massive protests despite the majority of the population being Palestinians. I am forced to conclude these Palestinians are too comfortable with their current lives to fight for their freedom.

Unknowntruth said:
This fight is NOT just the Palestinian people’s fight, it is the duty for ALL Muslims. You expect too much from a people under occupation with no arms coming in.
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I don't think expecting at least some protests about your own people being subject to genocide is expecting too much. Millions of random white people in the West can do this so I think Palestinians in the West Bank should be able to do so as well.

Unknowntruth said:
A few sleeper cells with basic weapons is not gonna put a dent in Israel. They will go in there, demolish the entire city. Will the Muslims come to their aid? As we witnessed with Gaza genocide, NO because no one came to Gazas aid.

Up to 100,000 or more people died with not a whimper from most Muslim states. Hezbollah let Israel control the rules of engagement and paid the price. They agreed to ceasefire and Gaza was left ALONE. Yemen while admirable with closing the shipping lanes and hitting some targets is not enough. Iran did some strikes in retaliation with no casualties to show their capabilities. You think that is enough?
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No, I agree it's not enough. Iran and Yemen are far away and cannot influence matters given that distance. But Turkey, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi, are much closer and their failure to intervene is a bigger problem.

Unknowntruth said:
I am pro Resistence but I am also realistic. While the resistance is still there fighting, let’s not act like the people of Gaza did not suffer or pay a heavy price. The price they paid DID NOT wake any Muslim powers.

This genocide showed the world, Palestine is alone. Some tech for homemade rockets or antique antitank rockets is NOT enough. The Palestinian people are resilient and will fight no matter the costs but sending them just to die with no reinforcements or providing them with arms is stupid.
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I agree with most of this. But what the lions of Gaza achieved on October 7th, in military terms, was a miracle and truly impressive operation. The cost of the operation was exceedingly high because the enemy is an inhumane and fascistic society that celebrates the murder of babies.

Unknowntruth said:
Palestine will not be free until the Muslim countries choose to back them. Right now, the entire Muslim world (states) have abandoned them.

Edit: Palestine needs Muslim armies not prayers or voiced outrage. I do not see that coming even if West Bank just like Gaza is reduced to rubble. This is the reality.
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I agree. Yemen and Iran did not abandon them but they are too far away to have an impact (and there are limits to the extent that even Iran will help due to the price it will pay from America/Israel). Unfortunately most of the states closer to Palestine that could have a meaningful impact are owned by or vassals of the USA.
 
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