Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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_Arabia_ said:
But what is there to normalize exactly? It is not like KSA has any economic ties with Israel and obviously there are back channels between KSA and Israel but they exist with every regional country, Iran-Israel back channels included. I don't think that KSA should recognize Israel (my personal opinion) as long as the two-state solution is not being implemented and as long as Israel is not serious in this regard.

Also without KSA joining the Abraham accords or more realistic some kind of KSA-US-Israel deal (separate) with written guarantees of Israel and USA genuinely working towards a Palestinian statehood (heard that story before, lol), I don't see status quo changing much.
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You will see when real 'normalization' will happen between KSA and Israel. Having backdoor is not replacement. Pakistan and India have 75+ year old of fairly working, and even amicable relationship in some years , but they were not 'normal'. KSA will 'normalize' when the rulers won't feel a backlash. It is their choice: Oil is running out and they have to make hay with the sun shines. Invest, diversify. etc etc. I have never blamed them for looking after their own interests, unlike most here do.

_Arabia_ said:
If you want to know my honest opinion when it comes to the US and Israel? My opinion is that the Zionists and American Jews have the entire US by their balls from the military industrial complex, politics, media, tech, banking, foreign policy, religious element (Protestants, Baptists, Evangelical nutjobs, Mormons etc. - all those sects are fiercely pro-Israel) and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Trump or Biden play no role here IMO. If anything it appears to me that both of their cabinets and backers (in one way or another) are the same pro-Israel types whether Jewish or non-Jewish.
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Yes, the American political class in the Zionist lobby but it was not always like that and I have repeatedly said that the near control started after the Fall of the Soviet Union. The Jews gained ground through smart politics, money, threats etc etc. But their gains are NOT irreversible. There is a considerable minority in America who are pro Palestinians and they provide the foundation upon which to build. The demographics in America is changing: The old white racist guard is dying off. Immigrants, the youth, the Labor Unions, the Progressives, the Muslims... even with a little bit of effort they made they were making headlines for a long time, worrying Israelis and their backers in America. Next time: Do better organization, do smarter politics, make better alliances. What other choice? Either do something about it or don't complain.

_Arabia_ said:
Just look at what is going on not far from Gaza (Sudan) right now. In many ways even worse but it gets not even 1% of the media coverage and we all move on regardless. Gaza is not any different. It is not a competition but we all know that the world is a jungle in many ways and I don't see that changing either. In fact I see bigger problems ahead for us all.
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Yes but also look at Ukraine/Russia: If casualties are a criterion then the Russia-Ukraine war has much higher toll. The difference is that 'Palestine' and 'Holy Land' is more than a secular war.
 
Persian Gulf said:
Palestinians in the West Bank stayed silent as their brothers in Gaza were subject to genocide

and now they are next on the list
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That’s not accurate at all they have been fighting idf and settlers even before October 7th and definitely have been more active after October 7 are we talking about the PA yes totally agree they seem to getting more corrupt and complacent by the hour. The fighter who are fighting against off and settlers are fighting in a 24/7 military occupation soldiers patrolling always their firepower is limited compared to hamas in Gaza and definitely compared to hezbolah, we are talking about many who are fighting with homemade guns and crude ieds we can’t compare the resistance that is going on in Gaza like the West Bank.
 
Shadi hassan said:
That’s not accurate at all they have been fighting idf and settlers even before October 7th and definitely have been more active after October 7 are we talking about the PA yes totally agree they seem to getting more corrupt and complacent by the hour. The fighter who are fighting against off and settlers are fighting in a 24/7 military occupation soldiers patrolling always their firepower is limited compared to hamas in Gaza and definitely compared to hezbolah, we are talking about many who are fighting with homemade guns and crude ieds we can’t compare the resistance that is going on in Gaza like the West Bank.
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other than a few small resistance cells in Jenin and Tulkarm and Nablus there is very little resistance in the West Bank. there is no mass intifada or civil resistance or even protests about Gaza. I saw bigger protests in London for Gaza than I ever saw in the West Bank.
 
Persian Gulf said:
other than a few small resistance cells in Jenin and Tulkarm and Nablus there is very little resistance in the West Bank. there is no mass intifada or civil resistance or even protests about Gaza. I saw bigger protests in London for Gaza than I ever saw in the West Bank.
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Yeah sorry like I said the resistance isn’t the same as Gaza much of it is below radar small cells spread out all over they you can’t compare fighters who are equipped with mostly homemade weapons versus Hamas or hezbollah. The people protest iron hand of PA and IDF like I said corrupt officials who are enjoying opulent lifestyles and yeah same goes with Hamas living abroad they’re too many corrupt and autocratic leaders who don’t want to give way to a younger generation. I’m for a PA that finally mans up and says we aren’t your prison guards.
 
Shadi hassan said:
Yeah sorry like I said the resistance isn’t the same as Gaza much of it is below radar small cells spread out all over they you can’t compare fighters who are equipped with mostly homemade weapons versus Hamas or hezbollah. The people protest iron hand of PA and IDF like I said corrupt officials who are enjoying opulent lifestyles and yeah same goes with Hamas living abroad they’re too many corrupt and autocratic leaders who don’t want to give way to a younger generation. I’m for a PA that finally mans up and says we aren’t your prison guards.
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show me large civil protests in West Bank in solidarity with Gaza.
 
Persian Gulf said:
show me large civil protests in West Bank in solidarity with Gaza.
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I literally said civilians would be crushed by PA police thugs yeah like I said PA fears these protests will spiral out of control with their “rule” over Palestinians and yeah Israelis would come right after gunning them down. Let’s be honest there are to many corrupt leaders who will crush descent before it forms but sooner or later everything blows up. I think with trump fueling the fire the economy whatever there is will collapse and yeah Gaza will be repeated
 
The SC said:
Saudi Arabia did rebuild Gaza twice not once.. it went to all 4 wars against Israel..

And know that when the US tells you boldly they are involved in the war against Gaza..you can not do much..or confront the US at your own risk..
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So their biggest mistake was to rebuild and not rearm Gaza. Only the threat of reciprocating destruction will create peace and rebuilding Gaza was a big mistake as can be seen. Now we have 2 million Gazans sitting on rubble and starving in freezing weather with no food, water, shelter or heating. Arab stupidity wasn't the solution but an exasperation of the problem. What was the result of the Arab meeting last November? The result was it was a green light for Israel to continue the destruction. The Arabs don't realise if the Zions are allowed to get away with the destruction of Gaza then any one one of them can be next.
 
The SC said:
Egypt can't punish the whole world trade by closing the Suez Canal..and turn the world against it for Gaza..it has its own people to protect too..

Arabs went to 4 open wars with Israel that was backed militarily by France and England and then by the US.. the military solution did not work to liberate Palestine..
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That was then what about today?
 
The SC said:
Thank you to the Arab Republic of Egypt for all that you provided to our Palestinian people, for its refusal to displace

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"The hero of this scene is Abdel -Fattah El -Sisi"

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This is what the Pakistani people suffered in 1947, we know how it feels , may Allah give the Palestinians victory and alleviate their pain.
 
The SC said:
Urgent Jerusalem Post on sources: Egypt and Jordan have informed close to Trump that the implementation of his plan to displace the Palestinians may harm the efforts of normalization

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Is that all these people are worried about, normalization, wtf.
 
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