PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

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The Egyptian Air Force is large and Egypt follows a policy of diversifying weapons sources so that it is not pressured by one of the suppliers.

The West supports Israel and will be against Egypt in the event of any war with it.

The diversity of fighters means the diversity of backward capabilities and ammunition.
Economically, Egypt cannot rely on 100 Rafale fighters in its air force. The cost of one plane is $150 million. It is ultimately a fourth-generation fighter and not all missions require a fighter like the Rafale.

One of the reasons is that the Russians were unable to develop the MIG-35 aircraft at the required level appropriate to Egyptian needs.

Suppliers cannot meet Egypt's full needs at the appropriate times due to the busy production lines.

There are many factors that led Egypt to turn to J-10C fighters. They represent a light aircraft for Egypt and represent the best price for performance, diversity, and low cost of its ammunition and diversity.

J-10C is developable.

UPGRADE Potential for J-10C:

certain modifications could reduce its radar cross-section (RCS). These might include:
Incorporating radar-absorbent materials (RAM) into critical areas like the engine intake, cockpit, and leading edges.
Redesigning some external features to minimize radar reflection.
The possibility of developing sensor fusion capabilities to provide higher capabilities

Enhancing the J-10C’s sensor fusion capabilities by integrating more sophisticated data processing algorithms and artificial intelligence (AI) to improve the pilot’s ability to interpret and act on sensor data quickly.
Upgrading the AESA radar to have greater range, resolution, and multi-function capabilities, including electronic attack modes.
Possibility of updating
IRST (Infrared Search and Track) systems, to provide passive detection capabilities that complement the radar and mitigate help the risk of being jammed or decoyed.
The software package includes PL-15 production
Continuing to refine and extend the range and performance of the PL-15 or developing even more advanced long-range missiles with enhanced seekers and counter-countermeasures (CCM).
Exploring hypersonic missile technologies
Availability of capabilities to improve performance
Electronic Warfare (EW) and Countermeasures
The ability to improve
Enhancing the J-10C’s ability to operate in an electromagnetic spectrum environment by improving its radar warning receivers (RWRs), electronic support measures (ESM), and electronic countermeasures (ECM).

Enhancing the J-10C’s datalink capabilities to allow for real-time information sharing with other friendly assets.
Developing secure communication channels and ensuring seamless interoperability with other platforms, such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and command centers.
Implementing AI-driven decision support systems to help the pilot process and act on battlefield information quickly and accurately.
All this is being studied with the possibility of working with UAV and early warning aircraft.

At a cost of 1/3 of obtaining a fighter like the Rafale, it provides Egypt with financial resources by integrating fifth-generation fighters while maintaining the number of fighters for the theaters of operations facing Egypt, whether in the eastern Mediterranean, Libya, or the sources of the Nile. Also, Egypt does not depend on one camp, eastern or western.

Egypt will also turn to Chinese fifth-generation fighters. for secnd stage

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This seems to be your wishlist.

Of course every country and every arm wants to diversify their acquisitions but that's mainly if there are suspicions of a strategy shift such as between Pakistan and the US.

Egypt is a special case for the US and Europe. Egypt is way too dependent on the US and Europe that it cannot diversify in a manner that would mean it can have big ticket articles from China or Russia.

The US simply pays billions of dollars to Egypt year-after-year simply for recognising Zion and Europe uses it vast tourism industry to keep Egypt's economy afloat.

It would be very silly for Egypt to be operating Rafales and J-10Cs at the same time. It's one or the other.

Pakistan can no longer get F-16s so it has no choice but acquire J-10Cs.
 
the only reason why PAF even considered going for addition F 16 was the simple fact that u.s owed Pakistan money in the form of CSF n they at the time were not willing to give cash n wanted Pakistan to buy stuff from them.
Are you suggesting that PAF no longer wants additional F-16s?
 
J35, j10c and jf17 blk 3 and blk next
JF-17 is lightweight and J-35 is heavy-weight. So that just leaves J-10s.

They have better toys to play with. Blk 52s are decent but aging fast.
They waited over a decade to acquire J-10Cs and that's only in reaction to Rafales induction by Hindustan.

They wouldn't wait 2 days if F-16s were offered regardless whether Hindustan purchased Rafales or not.

The same is true today. More J-10Cs will only be acquired if Hindustan acquired more Rafales.
 
This seems to be your wishlist.

Of course every country and every arm wants to diversify their acquisitions but that's mainly if there are suspicions of a strategy shift such as between Pakistan and the US.

Egypt is a special case for the US and Europe. Egypt is way too dependent on the US and Europe that it cannot diversify in a manner that would mean it can have big ticket articles from China or Russia.

The US simply pays billions of dollars to Egypt year-after-year simply for recognising Zion and Europe uses it vast tourism industry to keep Egypt's economy afloat.

It would be very silly for Egypt to be operating Rafales and J-10Cs at the same time. It's one or the other.

Pakistan can no longer get F-16s so it has no choice but acquire J-10Cs.

It seems that you do not know anything about the Egyptian economy

Egypt's largest trading partner is China, the trade volume is now $25 billion
The second largest investor in Egypt now is China after the Emirates
Egyptian-American trade exchange is less than $7 billion out of a trade volume of $130 billion
European Union trade exchange with Egypt is the reason for the size of Egyptian purchases
The European Union is looking for investment in Egypt because Egypt is using the refugee card 15 million not the cooperation package between $39 billion in investments and 8 billion reduced loans is not a pressure tool on their part but Egypt's reaction
It is the one that saved the German shipyards and turned the French arms industry into profitability as a result of Egypt's purchases of French weapons

Egypt is restructuring its trade and the largest country cooperating with Egypt now is China, Russia, India followed by the Gulf and Egypt is focusing mainly on Africa as its main market
The Egyptian Air Force, like the Russian, American and Chinese, all trends are towards heavier fighters and fifth generation fighters, so Egypt has established New fighter jets are being assembled in the world for a fifth-generation fighter project already

The J-10C represents a replacement for the light fighters in the Egyptian Air Force Mirage-5 F-7 MIG-21 and is not considered
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Egypt is parallel to the French Rafale aircraft. The Chinese aircraft should not be compared to the French aircraft due to the difference in categories and capabilities, away from the propaganda that no one can be convinced by that the two aircraft are parallel in capabilities

The Rafale is not just an aircraft that Egypt buys, it is a defense partnership program
Egypt owns 28 two-seat aircraft, some of which were used to train pilots for the Emirates, Serbia and Iraq in the future because Egypt is the training center and part of the supply chains for components by exploiting the Egyptian aircraft factory and the engine factory

The Rafale acquisition program includes a cooperation program between 7 countries that own the aircraft and develop the aircraft. The program for developing the gradual engines with capacities from 7.5 tons to 11 tons over 40 years for the Rafale is agreed upon, although it is not announced. India requested a version with 8.3 tons of engines for the engine capacity and the arrival Production engines to a capacity of 8.5 currently and the entry of the Emirates as a financier for the benefit of Rafale users
What applies to the engine development program applies to avionics and Egypt aims to obtain 72-100 Rafale aircraft
Egypt's request for 28 two-seat aircraft to be the leadership of the loyal wing in addition to 26 single-seat Rafale fighters is from the gradual development of the Egyptian Air Force, meaning that the Rafale program is only within the continuous development of this aircraft within the Egyptian Air Force in addition to Egypt's special relations with France in the field of equipping Dassault Falcon 7X aircraft with advanced electronic warfare and reconnaissance systems in addition to Falcon aircraft for other missions quietly and without noise
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The light fighter that is currently the main workhorse is the F-16, which is gradually being removed from service and will be replaced by fifth-generation aircraft. The J-10C aircraft is not considered a temporary solution. Also, Egypt does not need to develop the F-16 simply because it is no longer the main aircraft. It completes its work in Egypt as an aircraft closer to CAS / COIN. Egypt is not naive to continue In relying on the United States for fighters again

Some people create a fictitious comparison that the J-10CE and the Rafale are parallel or superior, no one takes that seriously, as there are multiple defects in the J-10CE, whether the reliability of the engines, avionics, or radar. Egypt is an old customer of Chinese fighters since the seventies. You have to learn that no one sells a product for less than its value, and bitter experience with Chinese fighters and training aircraft. If the aircraft was priced higher than the prices at which it is sold, it would be sold at that price. Rather, they are waiting for the opportunity to impose their conditions on others, such as the Americans, but the modesty of the product is what holds them back.

Therefore, the head of the Chinese delegation at the El Alamein Air Show confirmed that they are working on developing the aircraft to match the Egyptian requirements of raising the aircraft's capabilities, so we also see an acceleration in the process of developing the Chinese aircraft by adding more capabilities to it.

Any air conflict means rapid wear and tear on the fighters, which is one of the reasons why Egypt requests cheap aircraft, as Egypt has a clear policy.

Why would I develop a fighter like the MIRGE-2000 for $40 million? And I develop an aircraft like the F-16 for $30 million while I can get 100 new aircraft in two batches for $50 million each and a complete armament package and a long life.

Egypt developed F-16 fighters by extending the lifespan of the structures and engines at a limited cost through American funding. It is a program that lasted 7 years and is about to end.

Egypt acquired the J-10CE aircraft instead of the FA-50 aircraft that the Koreans offered with a structure lifespan of 16,000 flight hours instead of 10,000 flight hours and an ESR-500 radar with a range almost twice that of the PhantomStrike radar. Therefore, the lack of readiness of the Korean aircraft, which will not be ready before 2028 with the specifications, in addition to the price that Egypt wants, which is only $35 million from the 100 purchase package, made Egypt turn to the Chinese aircraft that will be delivered faster after the modifications requested by Egypt.

Although the Koreans wanted to obtain the LIFT training version contract, Egypt postponed it due to the acceleration of threats in the Middle East, and the Chinese solution was Egypt is heading to increase the number of fighters and also raise the level of the Egyptian Air Force fighters by increasing the number of 4++ fighters equipped with AESA radars quickly.

This gives Egypt the opportunity and enough time until the Russians finish completing the MIG-29/35 fighters in the field of radars, avionics and engines to develop the first batch, which will not be ready before 2026 to enter service with Russia first.

I think you understand why Egypt is heading to the aircraft because of the possibility of rapid supply and readiness for it, not because it is the best and most superior or that it is equal to the Rafale.

The Egyptian Air Force is supposed to have no less than 400 to 600 fighters, which will be between fourth and fifth generation fighters, which is a pressure factor on the budget.
 
It seems that you do not know anything about the Egyptian economy

Egypt's largest trading partner is China, the trade volume is now $25 billion
The second largest investor in Egypt now is China after the Emirates
Egyptian-American trade exchange is less than $7 billion out of a trade volume of $130 billion
European Union trade exchange with Egypt is the reason for the size of Egyptian purchases
The European Union is looking for investment in Egypt because Egypt is using the refugee card 15 million not the cooperation package between $39 billion in investments and 8 billion reduced loans is not a pressure tool on their part but Egypt's reaction
It is the one that saved the German shipyards and turned the French arms industry into profitability as a result of Egypt's purchases of French weapons

Egypt is restructuring its trade and the largest country cooperating with Egypt now is China, Russia, India followed by the Gulf and Egypt is focusing mainly on Africa as its main market
The Egyptian Air Force, like the Russian, American and Chinese, all trends are towards heavier fighters and fifth generation fighters, so Egypt has established New fighter jets are being assembled in the world for a fifth-generation fighter project already

The J-10C represents a replacement for the light fighters in the Egyptian Air Force Mirage-5 F-7 MIG-21 and is not considered
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Egypt is parallel to the French Rafale aircraft. The Chinese aircraft should not be compared to the French aircraft due to the difference in categories and capabilities, away from the propaganda that no one can be convinced by that the two aircraft are parallel in capabilities

The Rafale is not just an aircraft that Egypt buys, it is a defense partnership program
Egypt owns 28 two-seat aircraft, some of which were used to train pilots for the Emirates, Serbia and Iraq in the future because Egypt is the training center and part of the supply chains for components by exploiting the Egyptian aircraft factory and the engine factory

The Rafale acquisition program includes a cooperation program between 7 countries that own the aircraft and develop the aircraft. The program for developing the gradual engines with capacities from 7.5 tons to 11 tons over 40 years for the Rafale is agreed upon, although it is not announced. India requested a version with 8.3 tons of engines for the engine capacity and the arrival Production engines to a capacity of 8.5 currently and the entry of the Emirates as a financier for the benefit of Rafale users
What applies to the engine development program applies to avionics and Egypt aims to obtain 72-100 Rafale aircraft
Egypt's request for 28 two-seat aircraft to be the leadership of the loyal wing in addition to 26 single-seat Rafale fighters is from the gradual development of the Egyptian Air Force, meaning that the Rafale program is only within the continuous development of this aircraft within the Egyptian Air Force in addition to Egypt's special relations with France in the field of equipping Dassault Falcon 7X aircraft with advanced electronic warfare and reconnaissance systems in addition to Falcon aircraft for other missions quietly and without noise
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The light fighter that is currently the main workhorse is the F-16, which is gradually being removed from service and will be replaced by fifth-generation aircraft. The J-10C aircraft is not considered a temporary solution. Also, Egypt does not need to develop the F-16 simply because it is no longer the main aircraft. It completes its work in Egypt as an aircraft closer to CAS / COIN. Egypt is not naive to continue In relying on the United States for fighters again

Some people create a fictitious comparison that the J-10CE and the Rafale are parallel or superior, no one takes that seriously, as there are multiple defects in the J-10CE, whether the reliability of the engines, avionics, or radar. Egypt is an old customer of Chinese fighters since the seventies. You have to learn that no one sells a product for less than its value, and bitter experience with Chinese fighters and training aircraft. If the aircraft was priced higher than the prices at which it is sold, it would be sold at that price. Rather, they are waiting for the opportunity to impose their conditions on others, such as the Americans, but the modesty of the product is what holds them back.

Therefore, the head of the Chinese delegation at the El Alamein Air Show confirmed that they are working on developing the aircraft to match the Egyptian requirements of raising the aircraft's capabilities, so we also see an acceleration in the process of developing the Chinese aircraft by adding more capabilities to it.

Any air conflict means rapid wear and tear on the fighters, which is one of the reasons why Egypt requests cheap aircraft, as Egypt has a clear policy.

Why would I develop a fighter like the MIRGE-2000 for $40 million? And I develop an aircraft like the F-16 for $30 million while I can get 100 new aircraft in two batches for $50 million each and a complete armament package and a long life.

Egypt developed F-16 fighters by extending the lifespan of the structures and engines at a limited cost through American funding. It is a program that lasted 7 years and is about to end.

Egypt acquired the J-10CE aircraft instead of the FA-50 aircraft that the Koreans offered with a structure lifespan of 16,000 flight hours instead of 10,000 flight hours and an ESR-500 radar with a range almost twice that of the PhantomStrike radar. Therefore, the lack of readiness of the Korean aircraft, which will not be ready before 2028 with the specifications, in addition to the price that Egypt wants, which is only $35 million from the 100 purchase package, made Egypt turn to the Chinese aircraft that will be delivered faster after the modifications requested by Egypt.

Although the Koreans wanted to obtain the LIFT training version contract, Egypt postponed it due to the acceleration of threats in the Middle East, and the Chinese solution was Egypt is heading to increase the number of fighters and also raise the level of the Egyptian Air Force fighters by increasing the number of 4++ fighters equipped with AESA radars quickly.

This gives Egypt the opportunity and enough time until the Russians finish completing the MIG-29/35 fighters in the field of radars, avionics and engines to develop the first batch, which will not be ready before 2026 to enter service with Russia first.

I think you understand why Egypt is heading to the aircraft because of the possibility of rapid supply and readiness for it, not because it is the best and most superior or that it is equal to the Rafale.

The Egyptian Air Force is supposed to have no less than 400 to 600 fighters, which will be between fourth and fifth generation fighters, which is a pressure factor on the budget.

Has Egypt explored in pushing the Americans to allow for the OZGUR upgrade of its F16s? Formally, and forcefully ?
 
Has Egypt explored in pushing the Americans to allow for the OZGUR upgrade of its F16s? Formally, and forcefully ?
You did not understand something importantIt is clear that you did not understand Egypt contracting for other aircraft such as the J-10 or MIG-35, another solution, especially for fighters that are over 40 years old. Egypt is not obligated to develop the F-16 fleet as long as there is a better alternative.Did Egypt spend huge amounts of money on developing old fighters?Of course not. The MiG-21 was developed by Egypt for $2 million. The Mirage 5 was developed for $5 million.That is, as long as Egypt can buy new fighters with better specifications, why not develop the F-16 fighters? It is not in Egypt's interest at the present time to cooperate with the Turks as a regional enemy and competitor and against Egyptian interests.Simply put, 100 new Korean T-50EG aircraft are better than developing outdated fighters with Turkey.


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Egypt already has 52 MIG-29M and 54 Rafale, and regardless of the 32 SU-35, there is an order for 48 J-10C by 2027, all in service. Egypt is not dependent On a single plane in its air force, so that it can beg to develop it, the Americans have already surpassed us.Simply, Egypt manufactures 300 spare parts for F-16 fighters, and it needs 3,000 parts as technical insurance for Egypt. The lowest other fighters, I can manufacture high percentages of spare parts better than the obsolete F-16.You are creating restrictions on Egypt or weaknesses to hide the weakness of others from competition.Egypt does not have the vitality of developing F-16 aircraft. The alternative is available with better capabilities. It is more important for Egypt in 2027 to provide Egypt with MIG-29M fighters with the new radar with a range of 300 kilometers and electronic warfare systems derived from the SU-57 and a developed French targeting warehouse of the Talios model. The same thing. The third contract for the Rafale is more important for Egypt than developing the F-16 aircraft with OFFSET. It is better for the benefit of Egyptian factories.China, the agreements with it for fifth-generation fighters are only related to entering the Chinese aircraft into service.So what is the value of developing OZGUR In front of solutions for a stronger Egypt
 
You did not understand something importantIt is clear that you did not understand Egypt contracting for other aircraft such as the J-10 or MIG-35, another solution, especially for fighters that are over 40 years old. Egypt is not obligated to develop the F-16 fleet as long as there is a better alternative.Did Egypt spend huge amounts of money on developing old fighters?Of course not. The MiG-21 was developed by Egypt for $2 million. The Mirage 5 was developed for $5 million.That is, as long as Egypt can buy new fighters with better specifications, why not develop the F-16 fighters? It is not in Egypt's interest at the present time to cooperate with the Turks as a regional enemy and competitor and against Egyptian interests.Simply put, 100 new Korean T-50EG aircraft are better than developing outdated fighters with Turkey.


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Egypt already has 52 MIG-29M and 54 Rafale, and regardless of the 32 SU-35, there is an order for 48 J-10C by 2027, all in service. Egypt is not dependent On a single plane in its air force, so that it can beg to develop it, the Americans have already surpassed us.Simply, Egypt manufactures 300 spare parts for F-16 fighters, and it needs 3,000 parts as technical insurance for Egypt. The lowest other fighters, I can manufacture high percentages of spare parts better than the obsolete F-16.You are creating restrictions on Egypt or weaknesses to hide the weakness of others from competition.Egypt does not have the vitality of developing F-16 aircraft. The alternative is available with better capabilities. It is more important for Egypt in 2027 to provide Egypt with MIG-29M fighters with the new radar with a range of 300 kilometers and electronic warfare systems derived from the SU-57 and a developed French targeting warehouse of the Talios model. The same thing. The third contract for the Rafale is more important for Egypt than developing the F-16 aircraft with OFFSET. It is better for the benefit of Egyptian factories.China, the agreements with it for fifth-generation fighters are only related to entering the Chinese aircraft into service.So what is the value of developing OZGUR In front of solutions for a stronger Egypt
Currently what BVRAAMs does the Egyptian Air Force have?
 
You did not understand something importantIt is clear that you did not understand Egypt contracting for other aircraft such as the J-10 or MIG-35, another solution, especially for fighters that are over 40 years old. Egypt is not obligated to develop the F-16 fleet as long as there is a better alternative.Did Egypt spend huge amounts of money on developing old fighters?Of course not. The MiG-21 was developed by Egypt for $2 million. The Mirage 5 was developed for $5 million.That is, as long as Egypt can buy new fighters with better specifications, why not develop the F-16 fighters? It is not in Egypt's interest at the present time to cooperate with the Turks as a regional enemy and competitor and against Egyptian interests.Simply put, 100 new Korean T-50EG aircraft are better than developing outdated fighters with Turkey.


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Egypt already has 52 MIG-29M and 54 Rafale, and regardless of the 32 SU-35, there is an order for 48 J-10C by 2027, all in service. Egypt is not dependent On a single plane in its air force, so that it can beg to develop it, the Americans have already surpassed us.Simply, Egypt manufactures 300 spare parts for F-16 fighters, and it needs 3,000 parts as technical insurance for Egypt. The lowest other fighters, I can manufacture high percentages of spare parts better than the obsolete F-16.You are creating restrictions on Egypt or weaknesses to hide the weakness of others from competition.Egypt does not have the vitality of developing F-16 aircraft. The alternative is available with better capabilities. It is more important for Egypt in 2027 to provide Egypt with MIG-29M fighters with the new radar with a range of 300 kilometers and electronic warfare systems derived from the SU-57 and a developed French targeting warehouse of the Talios model. The same thing. The third contract for the Rafale is more important for Egypt than developing the F-16 aircraft with OFFSET. It is better for the benefit of Egyptian factories.China, the agreements with it for fifth-generation fighters are only related to entering the Chinese aircraft into service.So what is the value of developing OZGUR In front of solutions for a stronger Egypt
Toys , with no teeth, Egypt has become the biggest slave because of camp david accord
 
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