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[Flotilla]

these subsonic ASCMs are useless against any decent naval force

Houthis fired hundreds of them in salvos against US navy on dozens of occasions and didn't even get one hit

That is not fair.
It is not the same launching a volley of two, three or four (at most) ASCM from a inertial and active radar homing ASCM in the hands of houthies than in IRGC hands.

IRGC would combine at least a half of dozen in one volley or salvo, combining them with active radar homing, and passive homing (home on jam) Noor (120 km) of ghadir (200 km) class ASCM from differents places with some very long range ASCM like this one Qadr, capable of flying in inertial (no one signal emitted) several waypoints to attack from the rear the flotilla or warships to hit them at same time.

Remember that at least SM2/ESSM block 1 family needs a illuminator radar AN/SPG-62 for guiding (2 missiles each AN/SPG-62), so if the DDG can shoot down the simultaneous incoming missiles from one direction (2 x3) , the same illuminators woudn´t be able to track and destroy the incoming Qadr from the opposite direction. ESSM block 2 are active radar and they wouldn´t need to be illuminated by AN/SPG-62 radars.

You can combine them with ballistic anti ship missiles to distract same illuminators, and even slow moving OWA drones to keep busy CIWs systems.

And all of this it is with avaiable weaponry. As far we know, there is a new antiship missiles whose canister was shown a half of year before, it could be either or a stealth subsonic anti ship cruise missile (like NSM or JASSM) or a supersonic anti ship cruise missile (type KH-31 or Kalibr). This new type of missile could be using in conjunction with those legacy subsonic cruise missiles to secure a target.

After all I think they are useful nowadays if used them with combined tactics.

 

[tsunset]

That is not fair.
It is not the same launching a volley of two, three or four (at most) ASCM from a inertial and active radar homing ASCM in the hands of houthies than in IRGC hands.

IRGC would combine at least a half of dozen in one volley or salvo, combining them with active radar homing, and passive homing (home on jam) Noor (120 km) of ghadir (200 km) class ASCM from differents places with some very long range ASCM like this one Qadr, capable of flying in inertial (no one signal emitted) several waypoints to attack from the rear the flotilla or warships to hit them at same time.

Remember that at least SM2/ESSM block 1 family needs a illuminator radar AN/SPG-62 for guiding (2 missiles each AN/SPG-62), so if the DDG can shoot down the simultaneous incoming missiles from one direction (2 x3) , the same illuminators woudn´t be able to track and destroy the incoming Qadr from the opposite direction. ESSM block 2 are active radar and they wouldn´t need to be illuminated by AN/SPG-62 radars.

You can combine them with ballistic anti ship missiles to distract same illuminators, and even slow moving OWA drones to keep busy CIWs systems.

And all of this it is with avaiable weaponry. As far we know, there is a new antiship missiles whose canister was shown a half of year before, it could be either or a stealth subsonic anti ship cruise missile (like NSM or JASSM) or a supersonic anti ship cruise missile (type KH-31 or Kalibr). This new type of missile could be using in conjunction with those legacy subsonic cruise missiles to secure a target.

After all I think they are useful nowadays if used them with combined tactics.

For Yemen i thought that they only use small salvos each time they attack because they maybe don't want them to hit US ships at all, fearing of a massive retaliation if they actually hit and sink or badly damage one of their ships

 

[Mehdipersian]

these subsonic ASCMs are useless against any decent naval force

Houthis fired hundreds of them in salvos against US navy on dozens of occasions and didn't even get one hit

No, High number of attacks will sink any ship.

The difference between the anti-ship attacks of Iran and Yemen will be the same as the difference between the ballistic missile attacks of Iran and Yemen against Israel

 

[muhammed45]

these subsonic ASCMs are useless against any decent naval force

Houthis fired hundreds of them in salvos against US navy on dozens of occasions and didn't even get one hit

Iranian missiles are equipped with counter measures against electronic warfare hence more survivable. Moreover, Yemen lacks strong LPS systems in own region that are developed by Iran.

P.s Yemen has successfuly targeted American destroyers and carriers. Don't expect Americans to confess to it.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iran unveils a new ballistic missile: The Etemad BM

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran unveils a new ballistic missile: The Etemad BMView attachment 98395

it's not new. we saw it a while ago. It's just another minor variation of the Emad missile. Scud based liquid fuel missile with no maneuvering ability or even militarily useful accuracy

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Good news about nukes, fighters and missiles

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[Khorasan Black Flags]

Iranian missiles are equipped with counter measures against electronic warfare hence more survivable. Moreover, Yemen lacks strong LPS systems in own region that are developed by Iran.

P.s Yemen has successfuly targeted American destroyers and carriers. Don't expect Americans to confess to it.

+1

 

[Persian Gulf]

I believe this is Fateh-360 with 180km range and 20m CEP

 

[Persian Gulf]

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Sejjil is an exception

 

[Persian Gulf]

Khorramshahr with 2000kg warhead and 2000km range

 

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expansion of Fateh family

Fateh-360 (180km range, pinpoint accuracy)

Fateh-450 (250km range, CEP < 20m)

hopefully they can be air launched and have improvements in accuracy

 

[Persian Gulf]

Fateh class missiles showed low accuracy in 2018 strikes against KDPI HQs in Iraqi Kurdistan.

the missiles showed better accuracy against the US base in Al-Asad in Iraq in 2020

 

[Immortals]

View attachment 98420

Fateh class missiles showed low accuracy in 2018 strikes against KDPI HQs in Iraqi Kurdistan.

the missiles showed better accuracy against the US base in Al-Asad in Iraq in 2020

Out of 6 shots 1 hit and 3 others were within CEP of 25 meters and 2 clearly missed.

Remember what CEP is: CEP of 25 meters means that missile will hit within 25 meters of center value 50% of the time. So if you fire 10 missiles you would expect 5 of them statistically to land within 25 meters of the target coordinates.

NOTE: this doesn’t take into account missile failure rates due to technical difficulties - Iranian missiles likely have between a 20-40% structural/mechanical failure rate. Russia has similar and US slightly less with their tomahawks (15% failure rate).

So yes they performed pretty close to CEP or slightly better or slightly worse (depends on what center value was).

Nonetheless I agree the Kurdish attack was inexcusable for such a mature weapon system (Fateh family is 17 years old).

The issue comes down to the gyroscopes used and in the Fateh family not many get the highly capable FOGs (those go to critical missiles like Keybar, Fatah, etc etc).

Iran isn’t going to put a $50,000 gyroscope on <100K short range missile. Let’s be real. They don’t have the budget for that.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Out of 6 shots 1 hit and 3 others were within CEP of 25 meters and 2 clearly missed.

Remember what CEP is: CEP of 25 meters means that missile will hit within 25 meters of center value 50% of the time. So if you fire 10 missiles you would expect 5 of them statistically to land within 25 meters of the target coordinates.

NOTE: this doesn’t take into account missile failure rates due to technical difficulties - Iranian missiles likely have between a 20-40% structural/mechanical failure rate. Russia has similar and US slightly less with their tomahawks (15% failure rate).

So yes they performed pretty close to CEP or slightly better or slightly worse (depends on what center value was).

Nonetheless I agree the Kurdish attack was inexcusable for such a mature weapon system (Fateh family is 17 years old).

The issue comes down to the gyroscopes used and in the Fateh family not many get the highly capable FOGs (those go to critical missiles like Keybar, Fatah, etc etc).

Iran isn’t going to put a $50,000 gyroscope on <100K short range missile. Let’s be real. They don’t have the budget for that.

I see 8 impacts in total

we can debate CEP but the bottom line is that only 1/8 missiles that impacted in that area hit the target (and did not appear to do serious damage). if other missiles failed and did not even impact then the success rate is even lower. and this is in a very short range environment with no enemy air defences ...

but the good news is that this doesn't match the performance during the 2020 al-Asad strikes where almost every missile that impacted hit a plausible target (runway or building)

the disparity in success between these two strikes is interesting