Trump: Overseeing the Downfall of the US Empire

You don't understand what I said, without US, there WILL NOT BE A WORLD ECONOMY, since 56% of all countries reserve, including China, are USD.

Think about it like this, US Bankrupt, USD worth nothing, first we talk about direct hit, roughly 60% of 3 trillion Chinese Federal Reserve will become toilet paper overnight. And then the 1.2 or 1.4 trillion bond the Chinese are holding become toilet paper overnight. And you can't have toilet paper in your federal reserve, which mean you need to substitute it with something else, the only thing you can substitute is with your own currency. China only has 2 trillion worth of RMB in circulation, so you can do one of the two things.


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1.) Put all the RMB back into Central Bank, so there are no panic withdraw, that mean you can't spend any money.

2.) Print the double amount of RMB to put it in central bank, which mean you inflated your currency 100%

There were another way, which is to stack your central bank with some other currency, but as I mentioned, up to 60% of world forex reserve is USD, when it go busted, this don't just affect China, this is going to cascade down to EVERY COUTNRY IN THE WORLD THAT HAVE USD IN THEIR CENTRAL BANK.

So either one of those 2 options are shit, you are looking at restricted spending for number 1, and major inflation on number 2. And that is the direct impact, now let's talk about indirect impact?

How are you going to exchange money from one person to another? You go thru bank, right? I mean, you don't go meet that person face to face and give him/her the money, well, you can do that, but most people do it via bank. Bank don't hold nearly enough money for everyone that made deposit, you are talking about 10-30% money they held and now you may ask, how USD come into play? First of all, the international clearance rate for a single day is $6.8 Trillion USD. China industrial sector worth around 10 trillion USD. That's ALL THE VALUE of China manufacturing base put together, that's doesn't worth 2 days of currency settlement. So going back to your bank. You deposited money in one bank and then the other person taking it out, while you may say that just one number come down and one number go up, but behind the scene, there are 3 transaction that 2 bank made.

1.) Debit money from your account
2.) Transfer said money to the destination bank
3.) Credit money from the target account.

Then the other person withdraw. Now. If this is the same bank, that's fine, because it run on the same system. But if you are smart and have an keen eye for things, you will notice if this is a different bank, it usually takes 24 to 48 hours to clear, and you may wonder why? Because bank don't control their money, the central bank does, when you talk about money at bank level, it's not paper money, it's call a line of credit, it is something like a bloc of money Central Bank assigned to a local bank so they can use it to do stuff, like this. But the issue is, for every buy order, you need a sell order, and you may not have enough buy order to offset the sell order,

What does it mean? say I use Bank A and you use Bank B both bank in China, I send you 500RMB, so for bank A, they lose 500RMB from my account, and Bank B make 500 RMB in their account so they can pay you. But money don't materialise out of thin air, in a perfect circumstance, someone would be doing the same thing from Bank B to Bank A, (ie someone pay someone else 500RMB from Bank B to Bank A) that will offset my transaction and nothing changes. But we aren't in a perfect world, there may be transactional deficit between banks, so how you balance the bank line of credit? You don't use RMB to balance it, because you need that to be constant thru out, otherwise you destroyed some of your own currency if it is more, or you make new currency if it is less. So say Bank A need 540 billions RMB to settle a days transaction, Central Bank won't give them 540 billions RMB, instead they will sell 540 billion worth RMB into USD and use it as a hold over and settle the line of credit this way, so you don't damage your own currency value, and when you have another bank that have the currency going the other way, you then buy the RMB back from USD and thus balancing your book. That is why it take you 24 hours to 48 hours to clear an interbank transfer. And again, which currency do you think China have in its forex the most? And if you have USD in China central bank becoming toilet paper overnight, then first of all, you can't do any transfer, and if you do, it is going to be a very long buying/seling order, it may take you 10 days or may even be a month to clear an inter-bank transaction, think about it, if you are a worker in China, your boss tell you, you go work this month, and you get pay next month, what would you think?

And then it get to international transfer, this is not going to happen if USD worth nothing. Because of this graph.

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So what did we learn here? If USD went bust, you can sell anything overseas, and it will take you months to get paid for anything you do.......


It really does not matter in the end for China.

Will take some time but they will adjust to a world without US economy.

US reserves are just a store that says "I owe you". In essence they are worth nothing apart from some promise from US.

No idea why you spend so long on this as the world will adjust and just move on without US. There is nothing critical the US has the rest of the world needs.
 
It really does not matter in the end for China.

Will take some time but they will adjust to a world without US economy.

US reserves are just a store that says "I owe you". In essence they are worth nothing apart from some promise from US.

No idea why you spend so long on this as the world will adjust and just move on without US. There is nothing critical the US has the rest of the world needs.
Just saying it doesn't does not make it doesn't.

It will not take some time to "Adjust" because you are talking about replacing 6 trillions worth of currency int he world. How are you going to do that? That's 3 times the total currency the Chinese have at the moment, the closest is EU, and they are still 2 and a half time away. It's like asking how long can China expand their currency base by 400%? It takes 20 years to went from 1 trillion to 2 with a growth of 6% per year in that aricle from Chinese Finance ministry. how long does it takes for China to replace it with 400% growth? You tell me.

The only way you can "Adjust" is you have that amount of currency to be use somewhere, who is going to do it? Because that's economic suicide.

Otherwise everything hold still, because the one thing the world need critically, is ironically, the USD itself, again, who is going to print that insane amount to offset the USD? China? EU? Nicaragua?
 
Just saying it doesn't does not make it doesn't.

It will not take some time to "Adjust" because you are talking about replacing 6 trillions worth of currency int he world. How are you going to do that? That's 3 times the total currency the Chinese have at the moment, the closest is EU, and they are still 2 and a half time away.

The only way you can "Adjust" is you have that amount of currency to be use somewhere, who is going to do it? Because that's economic suicide.

Otherwise everything hold still, because the one thing the world need critically, is ironically, the USD itself, again, who is going to print that insane amount to offset the USD? China? EU? Nicaragua?


I think it is pointless as you think currency itself has some intrinsic value.

What matters is if what the US offers to the rest of the world cannot be replaced by China and/or other countries?

As the answer is yes then US can go bankrupt itself and other countries will learn to live with the new paradigm without US financial dominance.

Yes it may take some years etc but as China would come out on top of the US then they won't mind that much.
 
US is banking on their space technology to give them an edge.

As soon as they learn how to mine asteroids and make it economically viable it's game over. Mars will be drilled when they get there.

China should be aiming for boots on ground on Mars and start claiming territory.
 
I think it is pointless as you think currency itself has some intrinsic value.

What matters is if what the US offers to the rest of the world cannot be replaced by China and/or other countries?

As the answer is yes then US can go bankrupt itself and other countries will learn to live with the new paradigm without US financial dominance.

Yes it may take some years etc but as China would come out on top of the US then they won't mind that much.
Sure, let's go back to bartering, trade things with things, see how long you can last?

Again, which country in the world can print 8 trillions USD Dollars worth of currency and store it in the central bank world wide?

You are talking about a completely new economic system, how long does it take for you to establish that? The current one take ~50 years after WW2 to take shape. it's not just "Some" year like you think, and meanwhile what are you doing with those "some" year?? You don't spend money at all? Because you won't even have a functioning economic system between those "Some" year to begin with.

And if you think China can survive the direct impact alone when USD become worthless overnight (You are talking about 3 or 4 trillion-dollar impact), that only mean you know nothing about economy. I have already laid out a full explanation for you to read, but I can't think for you.
 
It really does not matter in the end for China.

Will take some time but they will adjust to a world without US economy.

US reserves are just a store that says "I owe you". In essence they are worth nothing apart from some promise from US.

No idea why you spend so long on this as the world will adjust and just move on without US. There is nothing critical the US has the rest of the world needs.
Is Baghdad Bob your teacher?

The US-China tech war has intensified dramatically since 2017, employing a full spectrum of measures from tariffs and export controls to restrictions on market access in a race for technological dominance that is reshaping the global electronics landscape. While our calculations indicate a substantial shift in US imports away from China that has cost the latter close to USD150 billion in lost exports since 2017, they also suggest that underlying, mutual interdependence remains deeply rooted in the very structure of the industry: 29% of US semiconductor manufacturing machinery exports flow to China, and US electronics imports from Mexico, Taiwan and Vietnam incorporate a great deal of Chinese value added.

If the ties connecting the US and Chinese electronics industries have proven more resilient than what headline bilateral trade figures might suggest, it is largely because the US administration’s long-term drive to cut ties with China contradicts the short-term interests of corporate America and the world’s most dominant electronics companies. We estimate that over the last decade US companies alone accounted for 54% of global electronics profits, a share that balloons to 88% when including their Japanese, South Korean, and Taiwanese peers. Meanwhile, despite surging sales and remarkable technological progress, Chinese companies only secured 7% of global industry profits and are still lagging far behind leaders in the all-strategic semiconductor segment.


A major supplier of critical inputs, an unmatched manufacturing hub and one of the world’s largest consumer markets for electronics, China resembles more a condition for, rather than a threat to, the profitability of dominant US electronics companies. However, the assumption that current patterns are going to continue during the coming years is at complete odds with the deep resolve of the US and China to maintain or acquire technological leadership and reduce dependencies, often by using trade as a weapon. Such a belief also discounts the possibility of a major industry shake-up triggered by radical innovation, much like the one that played out at the dawn of the personal computing or smartphone era. To explore how an acceleration in US-China rivalry and potential disruptive innovation might transform the industry value chain, we have identified four scenarios: Tech Stalemate, Tech Cold War, Tech Race, and Tech Rift, each with different impacts on trade complexity, trade volumes and volatility in market shares.
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If a country aims to ignore American markets and economy, it can do it at the cost of its own growth and advances. Just look at the situation of Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela. Russian outlook is not good either (see this and this).

Now I shall explain to you what is happening.

During Trump's first term in White House: (1) Trump applied tariffs on some imports from China to put pressure on American companies to look at ways to shift manufacturing from China and create more jobs in American mainland. This pressure tactic motivated some American companies to revisit their supply chain and even some Chinese companies to revisit their supply chain by shifting manufacturing to other countries such as India, Mexico, Malaysia, and Vietnam. Some American companies are also manufacturing in American mainland in the present; and (2) Trump applied tariffs on some imports from Mexico and Canada to renegotiate NAFTA with these countries to the benefit of the US.

During Trump's second term in White House: Trump is applying tariffs on additional imports from China, Mexico, and Canada because these countries are not taking sufficient measures to stop export of Fentanyl to the US. How this matter will be settled remains to be seen but China, Mexico, and Canada cannot just boycott American economy and move on. There will be negotiations for how to move forward from this issue.


This thread seems to be an exercise in delusions and fantasy, however.

Let's have a look at British situation for a change.

There is a need for a realistic analysis in discussions, my friend. American downfall claims are getting old.
 
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Xi and the CCP leadership must have had a massive celebration when Trump got reelected as that makes their job of beating US even easier.

Personally Trump was a gift to BD after the July-August 2024 revolution as it meant that BD would stay on the path of stability and so no complaints from me at all about his "performance".

Lastly, Trump is a one man comedy show in the White House. This man is the greatest ever. 🍿

To be honest, Biden and other career politicians gave China a hard time because they knew how to play trick, and China's hard fists have all landed on soft cotton.

Now Trump gonna take all the steel punches from China without knowing how to dodge it properly.
 
There is a need for a realistic analysis in discussions, my friend. American downfall claims are getting old.

Take away that angle, and much of this forum would wither away. Seriously.

Let it be, please. USA will do what USA will do. If wishes were all it took to bring down other countries, the world would be a very different place, for sure.

:D
 
Trump will do whatever it takes to pay his master back. Even if it's detrimental to the US....

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Sure, let's go back to bartering, trade things with things, see how long you can last?

Again, which country in the world can print 8 trillions USD Dollars worth of currency and store it in the central bank world wide?

You are talking about a completely new economic system, how long does it take for you to establish that? The current one take ~50 years after WW2 to take shape. it's not just "Some" year like you think, and meanwhile what are you doing with those "some" year?? You don't spend money at all? Because you won't even have a functioning economic system between those "Some" year to begin with.

And if you think China can survive the direct impact alone when USD become worthless overnight (You are talking about 3 or 4 trillion-dollar impact), that only mean you know nothing about economy. I have already laid out a full explanation for you to read, but I can't think for you.

3-4 trillion ain’t much.

Not even as much as the FANGs.

The decline will happen gradually then wind down in months.

Look how quickly the British empire was wound down.

British empire peaked just before the First World War.

Then fell rapidly until it was shut up in months by the USA.

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Rather, he will turn China into Soviet Union 2.0 he don't care if US is going with it. Remember, US is the world financial and economic center, if US goes, EVERYONE GOES.
People don't understand Usa power, they have EU, Quad, GCC part of their economic/military power, they are working on India right now. What do the rivals have? China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, the rest can jump ship if given economy military deals. Usa looks safe till 2050s. The rivals need to create what Usa has and then talk about bringing Usa down.
 
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China is far more efficient at building things than US.

It will be just fine if US bankrupts itself by trying to compete with it.

It will just re-pivot its economy away from the US and create its own financial system away from the bankrupt and destroyed US economy.

Trump is the greatest gift to Xi and the rest of the CCP leadership that they could hope for at this critical period, as China finally is able to build the full spectrum of technologies during the latter half of his presidency.

Yep, there are so many delusional shills who still fail to see that China has almost controlled the entire spectrum of technology on Earth.

This is unprecedented on the history of humanity.

The role of Trump is simply expediting China's rise in the grand scheme.
 
Yep, there are so many delusional shills who still fail to see that China has almost controlled the entire spectrum of technology on Earth.

This is unprecedented on the history of humanity.

The role of Trump is simply expediting China's rise in the grand scheme.

China is the largest trading partner for every single country in the world.

Let that sink in!

They have taken on the entire western hemisphere on their own.

Whilst USA cannot even make chips without European companies.
 

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