Israeli F-35s operated with “impunity” inside Iranian airspace: Lockheed Martin CEO

[SaadH]

No, I am interested in facts only. I do not live in your alternate bubble reality that I pointed out in my previous post.

Speaking of facts, can you share the logistics of how IDAF F-35's were able to operate with impunity inside Iranian airspace. The vanila F-35's range is 650 nm, barely enough to get to the Iranian border. Did they get to the border and launch their SOW's and headed back or did they actually penetrate Iranian airspace and spend some time over Iranian territory and then launched the air to ground weapons.

Did they peruse the air refueler at any point in this operation? If so, where exactly and if over hostile territory why wasn't the tanker at least detected and shot down over hostile territory?

 

[UKBengali]

You are a mature individual and provide a reasonable Iranian view in all threads. Unfortunately, there are some who get carried away in their claims and resort to trolling which is not helpful.

This claim is from Lockheed Martin and it is logical for this company having first hand knowledge and records of when and where F-35 was used and what was the outcome in each mission (feedback loops). F-35 is the most advanced jet fighter in the world and Israel does not feel the need to publicize its achievements even though Israel has utilized it extensively in a conflict situation and debunked claims about F-35 having a poor sortie rate and range (the jet fighter has internal fuel tanks). F-35 is designed to penetrate and defeat defenses of any country let alone Iran and I believe it can. Much of the fight is in the EW spectrum where F-35 is state-of-the-art.

In no way or form does that suggest that Iranian defenses are bad but Israel has technological superiority thanks to American support.

So your only evidence is from the manufacturer of F-35 and don't think they have a vested interest to either exaggerate or outright lie?

Either they need to provide solid evidence or shut up.

 

[UKBengali]

Speaking of facts, can you share the logistics of how IDAF F-35's were able to operate with impunity inside Iranian airspace. The vanila F-35's range is 650 nm, barely enough to get to the Iranian border. Did they get to the border and launch their SOW's and headed back or did they actually penetrate Iranian airspace and spend some time over Iranian territory and then launched the air to ground weapons.

Did they peruse the air refueler at any point in this operation? If so, where exactly and if over hostile territory why wasn't the tanker at least detected and shot down over hostile territory?

He believes in US weapons more than the actual Americans on this forum. Look at his posting history over the years.

 

[Persian Gulf]

You are a mature individual and provide a reasonable Iranian view in all threads. Unfortunately, there are some who get carried away in their claims and resort to trolling which is not helpful.

This claim is from Lockheed Martin and it is logical for this company having first hand knowledge and records of when and where F-35 was used and what was the outcome in each mission (feedback loops). F-35 is the most advanced jet fighter in the world and Israel does not feel the need to publicize its achievements even though Israel has utilized it extensively in a conflict situation and debunked claims about F-35 having a poor sortie rate and range (the jet fighter has internal fuel tanks). F-35 is designed to penetrate and defeat defenses of any country let alone Iran and I believe it can. Much of the fight is in the EW spectrum where F-35 is state-of-the-art.

In no way or form does that suggest that Iranian defenses are bad but Israel has technological superiority thanks to American support.

why would Israel share details of its sensitive military missions with LM? and LM obviously has a direct financial interest in propagating narratives that exaggerate the abilities of the F-35.

F-35 is indeed the most advanced fighter jet in the world but when Israel has stand off munitions it doesn't make sense to risk these jets inside Iranian airspace. I concede Israel has great intelligence and awareness of weak spots in Iranian IADs but there is no evidence for this claim

 

[Persian Gulf]

Speaking of facts, can you share the logistics of how IDAF F-35's were able to operate with impunity inside Iranian airspace. The vanila F-35's range is 650 nm, barely enough to get to the Iranian border. Did they get to the border and launch their SOW's and headed back or did they actually penetrate Iranian airspace and spend some time over Iranian territory and then launched the air to ground weapons.

Did they peruse the air refueler at any point in this operation? If so, where exactly and if over hostile territory why wasn't the tanker at least detected and shot down over hostile territory?

they can carry external fuel tanks but that defeats the point of the low RCS

could theoretically have refuelled over West Iraq though must have been > 200-300km away from Iranian border given huge RCS of refuelling aircraft (of which Israel does not have many)

overall there is no evidence for this claim and I try not to believe impressive claims without evidence

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Tiny Zion did nothing worth mentioning in Iran.. it had to safe face in the media..

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Last I checked, Iran went running to the UN to moan and whine while also promised True Promise (Fart) 3.0.

They first promised a response during the US elections, then before Donald Trump was sworn in and then... silence.

3 hours of aerial supremacy: 26 October 2024.
Still scared, no response: 5 February 2025.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Last I checked, Iran went running to the UN to moan and whine while also promised True Promise (Fart) 3.0.

They first promised a response during the US elections, then before Donald Trump was sworn in and then... silence.

3 hours of aerial supremacy: 26 October 2024.
Still scared, no response: 5 February 2025.

your narrative is very biased

I think the operations were very useful as they allowed IRI to identify its weaknesses and test various strategies and missiles in real time against Israel, at a manageable cost.

IRI talked a big game which they didn't back up in the end (every nation does posturing like this), but I am glad they were more pragmatic in this instance. another attack at this stage would not achieve much and would lead to a much stronger response from Israel

instead iran can use this time to resolve the weaknesses identified (low accuracy of MRBMs, vulnerability of key strategic overground sites to quadcopter strikes, lack of ALBMs and modern interceptor aircraft)

no doubt IRGC is working on fixing accuracy issues, moving key sites underground, just today live tested latest generation of Bavar-373 with s-300pmu2, is building more resilient passive defence measures at key sites, and importing su-35 jets from Russia

 

[Lulldapull]

Last I checked, Iran went running to the UN to moan and whine while also promised True Promise (Fart) 3.0.

They first promised a response during the US elections, then before Donald Trump was sworn in and then... silence.

3 hours of aerial supremacy: 26 October 2024.
Still scared, no response: 5 February 2025.

Oh bhai, what Iran did or does or might do to Israel is something Pakistan can't do. We simply don't have the means nor the hardware. Just like our non existent space agency.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

.... I think the operations were very useful as they allowed IRI to identify its weaknesses and test various strategies and missiles in real time against Israel, at a manageable cost.

Don't forget it has given Zion and it's backers the opportunity to finally demonstrate how weak Iran is militarily. Apart from Iran's terrorist network spread all over in the region and it's ballistic missiles arsenal, it's proven to be all bluster.

I mean the hundreds and hundreds of ballistic missiles that Iran fired on/and towards Zion on two separate occasions had not dettered Zion even a little.

They breached Iranian airspace for 3 long hours, not 30 seconds or 3 minutes with around 100 aircraft. That's simply nuts. They didn't use their ballistic missiles and they didn't bomb Iran's military bases like they've done with Syria's.

IRI talked a big game which they didn't back up in the end (every nation does posturing like this), but I am glad they were more pragmatic in this instance. another attack at this stage would not achieve much and would lead to a much stronger response from Israel

Yes, this is what everyone is telling the Iranian nationalists that Zion is simply too powerful and that Iran is seen as a regional troublemaker because it uses Arab countries as cannon fodder to impose its own strategic depth in the region that nobody wants.

instead iran can use this time to resolve the weaknesses identified (low accuracy of MRBMs, vulnerability of key strategic overground sites to quadcopter strikes, lack of ALBMs and modern interceptor aircraft)

At the same time, the enemy is honing it's skills. Adding more layers of air defences, bigger payloads for its delivery systems and now trying to persuade Washington for another round.

no doubt IRGC is working on fixing accuracy issues, moving key sites underground, just today live tested latest generation of Bavar-373 with s-300pmu2, is building more resilient passive defence measures at key sites, and importing su-35 jets from Russia

I've been hearing about the Su-35 imports for around a decade now. Why not just import Su-57s if there was any chance of importing Su-35s?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Oh bhai, what Iran did or does or might do to Israel is something Pakistan can't do. We simply don't have to means nor the hardware. Just like our non existent space agency.

I thought the Pakistan Space Agency has partnered with both China and the US (SpaceX) for recent satellite launches. Didn't you also partner with China for a flyby of the moon?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I've been hearing about the Su-35 imports for around a decade now. Why not just import Su-57s if there was any chance of importing Su-35s?

A recent report indicates the Su-57 is a joke. Need to locate that article reference again. In particular, the Chinese were laughing at just how crude the assembly of the 57 is.

 

[Foinikas]

No yankee or i$raeli fighter/UAV has ever entered Iranian airspace without being jammed (RQ-170) or shut down

Some of i$raeli fighter shut down in Iraq and they ran away while firing missiles and almost 100% of their missiles shut down

Don't embrace yourself. you're no match for Iranian air defence

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Dude come on...

 

[Lulldapull]

I thought the Pakistan Space Agency has partnered with both China and the US (SpaceX) for recent satellite launches. Didn't you also partner with China for a flyby of the moon?

Partnered how? What percentage of the design/ construction of the satellite was our share of the scope?

Pakistan is more than several generations behind Iran in technology/ manufacturing in pretty much any industry.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Oh bhai, what Iran did or does or might do to Israel is something Pakistan can't do. We simply don't have to means nor the hardware. Just like our non existent space agency.

Really? Zion would dare send 100 military aircraft towards Pakistan's airspace?

Much larger Hindustan Air Force tried a misadventure on a much smaller scale than Zion's in February 2019 and Hindustan learnt their lesson the next day in broad daylight.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Partnered how? What percentage of the design/ construction of the satellite was our share of the scope?

Pakistan is more than several generations behind Iran in technology/ manufacturing in pretty much any industry.

Several generations behind or not, are you disagreeing with me that China and the US worked with your space agency to put satellites in orbit?