Vance: America hasn't won a single war in the last 40 years

[Beijingwalker]

Again,

did you have Chinese fighter pilot flying in North or South Vietnam?
did you transfer any Chinese Armor and Weapon to North Vietnam?

You don't and Soviet did all of them to the North, and yet you boasted about how Chinese support Vietnam in thread like this

Thread 'Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge'

Jun 14, 2024

Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge

by Bob Seals

Best turn it into a bigger warIm afraid you really ought to send more troops to the SouthDont be afraid of U.S. intervention, at most its no worse than having another Korean War. The Chinese army is prepared, and if America takes the risk of attacking North Vietnam, the Chinese army will march in at once. Our troops want a war now.
-- Mao speaking to the North Vietnamese in 1964

So why did the powerful modern nations of France and the United States lose two wars in Vietnam to a...

• Beijingwalker
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Yet you ask "where is the Soviet Union in Korea"??

I m talking about ground troops and foot soldiers, otherwise you can claim that US and Russia joined every war and conflict around the world in the past cause their weapons were used in all those wars and conflicts.

 

[Beijingwalker]

did you transfer any Chinese Armor and Weapon to North Vietnam?

Yes, so many.
自1962年至1966年，中国向越南提供的武器及军用物资援助主要有：枪支27万支，火炮540门，枪弹20000万发，炮弹90万发，炸药700吨。

 

[j_hungary]

I m talking about ground troops and foot soldiers, otherwise you can claim that US and Russia joined every war and conflict around the world in the past cause their weapons were used in all those wars and conflicts.

Again, there are Russian advisor in North Korea. And no, you don't need to send ground troop to be a part of a conflict. Sending Advisor, sending aircraft to patrol the border are already direct involvement in a war.

 

[j_hungary]

Yes, so many.

Such as?

 

[Beijingwalker]

Again, there are Russian advisor in North Korea. And no, you don't need to send ground troop to be a part of a conflict. Sending Advisor, sending aircraft to patrol the border are already direct involvement in a war.

There is a difference between joining a war and getting involved in a war. or maybe this chart is wrong, you can make a new chart.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Such as?

自1962年至1966年，中国向越南提供的武器及军用物资援助主要有：枪支27万支，火炮540门，枪弹20000万发，炮弹90万发，炸药700吨。

 

[j_hungary]

自1962年至1966年，中国向越南提供的武器及军用物资援助主要有：枪支27万支，火炮540门，枪弹20000万发，炮弹90万发，炸药700吨。

I was talking about armour, not 270,000 rifle or 540 cannon. BY the way, Majority of PAVN army uses Russian AK/SKS. 270,000 rifle for over 2 million estimated PAVN/VC is really nothing.

 

[j_hungary]

There is a difference between joining a war and getting involved in a war. or maybe this chart is wrong, you can make a new chart.

Dude, you even listed "intention to support" and "supplies and financial support" in that picture.......

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

It's the Mig 17, not Mig 19

And this is Russian T52 tank

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A variant of T-34-85 tank made around 1949-1952

MiG-17s were not available in time for the Korean War.

I looked at the video. That appears to be a T-55. Am not able to locate any other reference to a T-52 outside of your posting and a 15 second Youtube video.

 

[Beijingwalker]

I was talking about armour, not 270,000 rifle or 540 cannon. BY the way, Majority of PAVN army uses Russian AK/SKS. 270,000 rifle for over 2 million estimated PAVN/VC is really nothing.

Weapons are weapons, China supported VN with weapons, yes, all kinds of weapons? No. But China's massive and continuously supply for the Vietnam was a deciding edge for the Vietnam to win that war against US.
Vietnamese troops also went to China for regrouping and breaks, without China's rear logistic support, Vietnam could have never won that war.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Dude, you even listed "intention to support" and "supplies and financial support" in that picture.......

I just mean to show you the first image, but they are altogether, you only need to check out the combat troops part.

 

[LeGenD]

Where were Soviet Union forces in Korean war?

China vs US+dozens of others

US forces in Korean War

Soviet Union not only helped create a formidable North Korean military force in the 1940s but Soviet Union used its Air Power to challenge American Air Power in the Korean War.

Number of flags don't tell how formidable a force is on the ground. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that the Allied Force put together to liberate South Korea had its shortcomings. This wasn't a military build-up on WW2 scale, not even close.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Soviet Union not only helped create a formidable North Korean military force in the 1940s but Soviet Union used its Air Power to challenge American Air Power in the Korean War.

Number of flags don't tell how formidable a force is on the ground. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that the Allied Force put together to liberate South Korea had its shortcomings. This wasn't a build-up on WW2 scale, not even close.

You just need to check out flags of the countries which sent combat ground troops in Korea, ignore other flags.

 

[Beijingwalker]

Soviet Union not only helped create a formidable North Korean military force in the 1940s but Soviet Union used its Air Power to challenge American Air Power in the Korean War.

Number of flags don't tell how formidable a force is on the ground. There is plenty of evidence that suggests that the Allied Force put together to liberate South Korea had its shortcomings. This wasn't a military build-up on WW2 scale, not even close.

US was there to stop Koreans unification process, they did same in Vietnam and is doing the same to China too. they just want to break up East Asia and the countries and peoples in this region. This intention is very evil in nature.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

US was there to stop Koreans unification process, they did same in Vietnam and is doing the same to China too. they just want to break up East Asia and the countries and peoples in this region. This intention is very evil in nature.

Had President Kennedy not been assassinated in 1963, chances are good the US would have been gone from Vietnam by 1965. He was concerned enough in early 1962 that discussions were underway about withdrawing. He recognized the situation for what it was and that it wasn't worth it.