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[Mr Iran Eye]

General Immortal and others here are very nervous to see the drone fly the biggest drone type Qaher. On the old forum, he and others ridiculed the shape of the wings and said that it would never fly.

Once again, very soon, their credibility will fly away in the wind and their predictions will fall apart again and it is far from over for them, the sequel will be exciting

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

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[That_Guy]

Isn’t it true though that they are getting TOT and other assistance to make them, basically west is holding their hand? We can’t compare a sanctioned country like Iran to a NATO partner

Whatever ToT they got was a long time ago. And they certainly didn't get any ToT related to engines, and drone technology.

My comment wasn't necessarily a comparison, but rather what I consider what my expectations are for Iran.

 

[OldTwilight]

Whatever ToT they got was a long time ago. And they certainly didn't get any ToT related to engines, and drone technology.

My comment wasn't necessarily a comparison, but rather what I consider what my expectations are for Iran.

for Iran after the ballistic missiles, the budget was shifted to air defence systems , so unless they make air force number one priority, nothing will change ...
qaher , Yasin and kowsar are for keeping the r&d departments busy ...

And situations in Iran is not looking good , where I work , in past 2 years , 6 senior developers immigrated to other countries due the unfair salary and corrupted office politics and etc ....

Iran human resource situation is worsen ib past 20 years

 

[muhammed45]

Congratulations to IRGCN. Now they can shift the battle ground from Iranian shores to blue water.

According to the commander, the ship is equipped with air defense systems and long range small boats armed with 30 Km anti ship missiles.

If the 60% version of Qaher is armed with air to air missiles then it really worth it. Question is what type of engine has been developed for it and what alitutde it can reach.

I have no idea about its anti-sub capabilities but surely they have already developed subsystems to recognize and engage with under water threats too.

At least IRGC is doing its best to increase its fighting range and take the war away from our shores. The helicopters that play the role of relay need to be protected by high altitude fighters.

I really hope that the bigger version of Qaher can protect choppers against aerial theats which is most possible.

 

[muhammed45]

For anti-submarine purposes, the carrier can carry these types of boats and drones

For recognition, we have this drone


Torpedo carrying boats of IRGCN


Unmanned boat, unmanned drone and unmanned fighter jet.

This is a complete combination of AI with military application.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

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[ToddE]

A PR stunt gone wrong once again due to stupid, incompetent people in charge. Even if smaller drones are for training, which I believe is right, they had no reason to show them considering how ridiculous the toy looked taking off from a large ship. They could have just shown the three actual ones. These people always end up ridiculing the real achievement. It's a large ship, that can launch jet-powered wingmen/ISTAR+MALE UCAVS/Helis, ASHMs, etc a real forward base/carrier but commanders are so dumb they decided to ruin it all but an un-needed stupidity as always.

I believe the bigger ones either can not fly at all for now (engine issues? OWJ can't fit? Jahesh is not mass produced?) or they have not been operationalized on the carrier yet. They are overall decent size, somewhere like ~27-28 feet with enough space for avionics and weapons internal bays for a HOBS or smaller PGMs. Even a fully operationalized squadron will serve no purpose on the carrier without an SAT link as the enemy can target the ship with Anti-Ship missiles from much farther away. Even if they have small RCS, unless they have onboard radars or are getting real-time Searched+Tracked data from FCRs and using it to launch their own WVR/BVRs their utility in sea theatre is limited, where you need as much BVR kinetic or non-kinetic capability as possible. Keep USN fighter designs in mind.

With SAT links, internal bays with HOBS, decent amount of datalink/onboard avionics and a good reliable engine, the larger ones will be a good wingmen for IRIAF if they can fly with SU-35. Not game changer by any means because Datalinked/EO tracking Karrar does all that right now. Overall if they fly those larger ones, I do not believe it will get into serious mass production. Qaher's chapter closes with this, it was a stunt 12-13 years ago by Ahmadinejad's gang of corrupt looters (Remember that Hasan Parvaneh? the Azarkhash photoshop Hustler), a burden that will be gone with a flight of the bigger drone. Iran needs to move on to real capabilities after this, SU-35, YAK-130+ Kowsar ATs, MIG-29 SMT, ALBMS, LEO Constellations, MIRVed-ICBM, hypersonic CM, Submarines etc thats for now to accomplish.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

No, not yet the speculative delusions of Dr. Mason, we were fine without you. Twin brother of the immortal General who thinks he is above the Iranian army, scientists, inventors, engineers. You are like children who are afraid of the opinion of others, filled with shame. Let's hope to see the biggest drones fly to give a big lesson in humility and to ridicule you at the same time

 

[tsunset]

No information on the naval capabilities of Qaher?

 

[ToddE]

No information on the naval capabilities of Qaher?

the larger one (60%) can at best fire smaller AShCMs like Kowsar or Zafar (TOTed CZ-701-704/5 Family). During such a mission, they will have to sacrifice the RCS while such smaller missiles lack the blast or speed to do anything against a real naval target.

Their actual utility is with IRIAF, "if" they are truly ever operationalized. They can fly CAPs within IADS freeing the manned fighter fleet to take the interception+air superirotity role.

To make them useful for navy, they will need to integrate them onboard radars or a very strong encrypted dual-duplex datalink to process track information (coming from ships Air defense, Fighters in proximity), ECM suite for self-protection, and internal bays. Do they have all this? remains to be seen.

 

[muhammed45]

the larger one (60%) can at best fire smaller AShCMs like Kowsar or Zafar (TOTed CZ-701-704/5 Family). During such a mission, they will have to sacrifice the RCS while such smaller missiles lack the blast or speed to do anything against a real naval target.

Their actual utility is with IRIAF, "if" they are truly ever operationalized. They can fly CAPs within IADS freeing the manned fighter fleet to take the interception+air superirotity role.

To make them useful for navy, they will need to integrate them onboard radars or a very strong encrypted dual-duplex datalink to process track information (coming from ships Air defense, Fighters in proximity), ECM suite for self-protection, and internal bays. Do they have all this? remains to be seen.

You cannot rule out existence of a radar in this drone. What is your reason to deny air to air capability for this drone?

 

[ToddE]

You cannot rule out existence of a radar in this drone. What is your reason to deny air to air capability for this drone?

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I did not say anywhere that they can't have radars. For 27-28 feet in length, and assuming it flies on OWJ Turbojet (difficult but not impossible), it can ideally carry a compact air-cooled AESA/PESA radar running on onboard hybrid power (20-40 KW). Iranian Bayenaat series airborne radars (II and V) are based upon such compact Grifo-346, APQ-159 family which are designed to be housed in small noses of light fighters. So yes it can happen, but the mission utility will be gone, I will explain why.

- PESA are no longer relevant in modern air combat, they are jammed easily, esp for a wingman who without SAT link or full autonomy, can't escape a jamming envoironment with speed as it is inherently low on KE. SAIRAN head talked about airborne AESA for fighters but no evidence of its existence exists. Instead, they recently showed Kowsar with "Baaz" or "Bayenaat-5" obsolete PESA radar based upon APQ-159 (F-5) or Sy-80/KLJ-6E/F (Chinese J-7N/E origin) that was originally intended for Saegheh some 15-18 years ago. That's a step back from Kowsar's originally shown fairly modern Grifo-346 based Bayenaat-II but for a wingmen like Qaher, thats enough with a search-track range of 120-80 km. Another solution is hybridism of radar and Datalink i.e. switch to datalink when radar is jammed, in that case the datalink between every surface vessel and shore batteries and fighter jets will be needed, a naval IADS. Not out of question considering how rapid progression is seen in Air defence inside Iran.

- Enemy naval fighters have long-ranged AESA radars, Jammers, IRST/LRFs both integrated and pod based, and a long-range BVRs. Even if we assume Iranian wingman has a low RCS and is borderline stealth, they can still track it through IR and lob BVR missiles at it while jamming its PESA radar. To fight back drone will need to mount external BVR missiles which means it no longer has the low RCS factor. This is the dilemma of wingmen all over the world. Kratos Valkyrie itself was being marketed with AIM-120Ds mounted externally but idea was criticised because what purpose such a UCAV serve when it has to sacrifice its RCS?

Being a serious follower of Iranian defence I will welcome the development of this drone when the actual size one gets airborne and we get to see it carry weapons. For now its just another cash pit project to me like Saeghe, Kowsar, Azaraksh, Flying wing UCAVs, Karrar MBTs. Promising prototypes but no actual production.

 

[muhammed45]

I did not say anywhere that they can't have radars. For 27-28 feet in length, and assuming it flies on OWJ Turbojet (difficult but not impossible), it can ideally carry a compact air-cooled AESA/PESA radar running on onboard hybrid power (20-40 KW). Iranian Bayenaat series airborne radars (II and V) are based upon such compact Grifo-346, APQ-159 family which are designed to be housed in small noses of light fighters. So yes it can happen, but the mission utility will be gone, I will explain why.

- PESA are no longer relevant in modern air combat, they are jammed easily, esp for a wingman who without SAT link or full autonomy, can't escape a jamming envoironment with speed as it is inherently low on KE. SAIRAN head talked about airborne AESA for fighters but no evidence of its existence exists. Instead, they recently showed Kowsar with "Baaz" or "Bayenaat-5" obsolete PESA radar based upon APQ-159 (F-5) or Sy-80/KLJ-6E/F (Chinese J-7N/E origin) that was originally intended for Saegheh some 15-18 years ago. That's a step back from Kowsar's originally shown fairly modern Grifo-346 based Bayenaat-II but for a wingmen like Qaher, thats enough with a search-track range of 120-80 km. Another solution is hybridism of radar and Datalink i.e. switch to datalink when radar is jammed, in that case the datalink between every surface vessel and shore batteries and fighter jets will be needed, a naval IADS. Not out of question considering how rapid progression is seen in Air defence inside Iran.

- Enemy naval fighters have long-ranged AESA radars, Jammers, IRST/LRFs both integrated and pod based, and a long-range BVRs. Even if we assume Iranian wingman has a low RCS and is borderline stealth, they can still track it through IR and lob BVR missiles at it while jamming its PESA radar. To fight back drone will need to mount external BVR missiles which means it no longer has the low RCS factor. This is the dilemma of wingmen all over the world. Kratos Valkyrie itself was being marketed with AIM-120Ds mounted externally but idea was criticised because what purpose such a UCAV serve when it has to sacrifice its RCS?

Being a serious follower of Iranian defence I will welcome the development of this drone when the actual size one gets airborne and we get to see it carry weapons. For now its just another cash pit project to me like Saeghe, Kowsar, Azaraksh, Flying wing UCAVs, Karrar MBTs. Promising prototypes but no actual production.

That is an IRGC project, so be sure that it will yield. IRGC never disappointed us.

 

[Tijani]

That is an IRGC project, so be sure that it will yield. IRGC never disappointed us.

True indeed bro! IRGC! Solid as a rock!