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Q-313 flies, doesn't it? To the question:
Although anything can fly if it is equipped with the right engine! In our country, some kind of flying Persian carpet is also mentioned in the tales of 1001 nights. In Iran, does anyone know anything about it, although the story is quite old!

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Many people here are going to lose face over the Q-313 and when the time comes. I would like to see what the Supreme Leader is looking at on the screen. By the way, Iran has always said that there would be drone and manned versions but there are people who forget very quickly. And the Q-313 in drone and plane versions will all fly but your criticism will be blown to pieces
 
Comandante said:
Q-313 flies, doesn't it? To the question:
Although anything can fly if it is equipped with the right engine! In our country, some kind of flying Persian carpet is also mentioned in the tales of 1001 nights. In Iran, does anyone know anything about it, although the story is quite old!

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It is interesting to know that in ancient Iran they really flew with carpets. In fact, they used carpets as a glider for short fly
 
Mehdipersian said:
It is interesting to know that in ancient Iran they really flew with carpets. In fact, they used carpets as a glider for short fly
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For real or you're just messing with Comandante? Please send a link if so. Never heard anything about it prior
 
If these people had put the same amount of effort into actual projects like F14/MIG/Kowsar upgradation that they put in Qaher stunts over the past 15 years, IRIAF would have had a strong interception + CAP wing.

IRIAF is the weakest of the Iranian military branches by miles. Force's most capable commanders were casualties of war or purged to be replaced by politically appointed sycophant fraudsters who cashed on the technical naivety of illiterate mullahs. I cant believe a war-hardened seasoned general like Bagheri is standing there pretending that Qaher model is a real project.

In last 20 years IRIADF moved from upgrading I-Hawks to offering Datalinked TVC'ed Long ranged HIMADS in exports, IRIN/IRGCN built 20+ SLCM launching submarines, 15+ corvettes some of which are low RCS, IRGCAF/ISA are now throwing three solid staged SLVs/IRBMs, UCAV force is an operating bunch of MALE+HALE designs, but IRIAF is stuck with same old frauds in front of supreme leader in hopes of cash embezzlement.
 
Emirzad said:
If these people had put the same amount of effort into actual projects like F14/MIG/Kowsar upgradation that they put in Qaher stunts over the past 15 years, IRIAF would have had a strong interception + CAP wing.

IRIAF is the weakest of the Iranian military branches by miles. Force's most capable commanders were casualties of war or purged to be replaced by politically appointed sycophant fraudsters who cashed on the technical naivety of illiterate mullahs. I cant believe a war-hardened seasoned general like Bagheri is standing there pretending that Qaher model is a real project.

In last 20 years IRIADF moved from upgrading I-Hawks to offering Datalinked TVC'ed Long ranged HIMADS in exports, IRIN/IRGCN built 20+ SLCM launching submarines, 15+ corvettes some of which are low RCS, IRGCAF/ISA are now throwing three solid staged SLVs/IRBMs, UCAV force is an operating bunch of MALE+HALE designs, but IRIAF is stuck with same old frauds in front of supreme leader in hopes of cash embezzlement.
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I can't agree more, and let alone Bagheri, seeing Khamenei next to the Qaher is cringeworthy, does he not know how much ridicule that Qaher thing brought on Iran? The iranian aeronautical industry is just jinxed, it defies belief how can it be managed so poorly when in other defence areas Iran is doing very respectably as you point out. It's exasperating to watch what happens with IRIAF and the iranian aeronautical sector as a whole, considering the enemies Iran is facing.
 
We take notes, there are people in the near future who will completely lose face here, their bad analysis will go to the trash. I know that other people like me will let them know. The IRIAf are on the contrary very active and productive and the future results will be very profitable. Patience, the trolls will crash
 
Tijani said:
For real or you're just messing with Comandante? Please send a link if so. Never heard anything about it prior
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This is a scientific theory about flying carpets.

But in old books, the reason why these carpets fly was considered magic.
 
mack8 said:
I can't agree more, and let alone Bagheri, seeing Khamenei next to the Qaher is cringeworthy, does he not know how much ridicule that Qaher thing brought on Iran?
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The drone is there now so the past stupidity does not matter anymore. My problem is an advanced one though, even if the UCAV is operationalized as a wingman which I wont believe will happen, what advantage will it give to Iran? a humongous territory that needs fast and long-ranged air superiority fighters.

mack8 said:
The iranian aeronautical industry is just jinxed, it defies belief how can it be managed so poorly when in other defence areas Iran is doing very respectably as you point out. It's exasperating to watch what happens with IRIAF and the iranian aeronautical sector as a whole, considering the enemies Iran is facing.
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On the contrary, the aviation industry on technical grounds has done an amazing job of demonstrating domestic capabilities. I will post a list of domestic tech of manned combat aviation products that are built inside Iran. The unmanned aviation sector is performing brilliantly and there is no problem there, the problem is new fighter jets.

Turbojet for Fighter jet
Turbofan, Turbojets for UCAVs
4.0 gen FBWed composite fuselage with landing gears
Ejection seats
Glass cockpits
PESA Lookdown Shootdown 3 types with tracking ranges upto 120 KM.
Avionics; Flight, Airdata, Engine, Ballistic, Weapons computers.
Navigation Communication local INS-SAT, Radio, TACAN, ILS
Encrypted Double Duplex Datalinking (MUM-T, peer-peer, with IADS)
Helmet Mounted Displays (Track cueing HMD)
ECCM/ECM RWR, MAWS, Jammers Internal
External Jamming pods
External Tracking pods (EO/TV/IR)
HOBS All aspect IIR WVR
LR-BVR with ARH seeker with onboard ECCM upto 150 KM
PGM (laser, TV, IR, INS/SAT) upto 2000 lbs
ALCM upto 700 KM
AL-AShCM upto 330 KM
ALBM upto ~200 KM

All of this is made inside Iran, shown multiple times being built from scratch, on assembly floors. Some of the stuff exists for 10+ years now. Any good country would have created a force of 250 x local 4th gen interceptors, 50 x AT/LIFTs, would have upgraded the entire F-14, MIG fleet locally to top-notch standard from this local infrastructure a decade ago, and moved to better projects. The problem is not the capability, its money and politically appointed sycophants in IRIAF. Leadership lost interest in IRIAF in 1990s-2000s when IRGC convinced them to throw a massive chunk of the defense budget to them for missiles, and drones, rest went to navy and air defense. To keep up with the leaps of other branches, big wigs of the manned aviation sector of Iran started showing silly projects one after another to embezzle cash (Qaher, F-7, Mirages, domestic helis). When no results came out, leadership cut the budget of even the real projects (Kowsar). Project head of IAIO for Qaher was the same person who once Photoshopped a rebuilt and upgraded F-5E "Azarakhsh" with below fuselage wings to make it appear as new plane, the same bozo later used a university project to design a stealth CAS as "Qaher". Leadership pulled the plug on funding because these people are just not trustworthy. They would rather give money to Air defence or Missile forces that produce actual products. The amusing fact is, even with SU-35S/30SM/YAK-130s the culture of fraud in IRIAF won't change. They are just changing the machines not people.
 
mack8 said:
I can't agree more, and let alone Bagheri, seeing Khamenei next to the Qaher is cringeworthy, does he not know how much ridicule that Qaher thing brought on Iran? The iranian aeronautical industry is just jinxed, it defies belief how can it be managed so poorly when in other defence areas Iran is doing very respectably as you point out. It's exasperating to watch what happens with IRIAF and the iranian aeronautical sector as a whole, considering the enemies Iran is facing.
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I'm not as technically minded as Emirzad, Flottila and others here but I must disagree with you guys on this one. Please correct me if I'm wrong on the fundamentals here. The most difficult discipline of all is aviation,so it's unfair to make the symmetrical comparisons to other fields that you're making. The most difficult and manhour workintensive part is engines, no matter how much financial resources you plow into it. It takes decades of work to master the technology and then there's the art of it cause it's not only science. There's that je ne sais quoi part of it that's all feeling. That most essential that only a certain few individuals will develop.
Only after this will the breakthroughs start to show the tangible result which we can brag about. Iran has been doing the hard work for a substantial time now and it will reap the hard earned dividends eventually. Might not be today but it's inevitable. One must also take in to consideration the world economic and political environment in which all this is being done.
It took the Chinese, with all their massive resources, and cooperation from Russia, decades to get where they are today. Let's please put things in there proper perspective and apply gazillion tons of patience.
 
Emirzad said:
The drone is there now so the past stupidity does not matter anymore. My problem is an advanced one though, even if the UCAV is operationalized as a wingman which I wont believe will happen, what advantage will it give to Iran? a humongous territory that needs fast and long-ranged air superiority fighters.



On the contrary, the aviation industry on technical grounds has done an amazing job of demonstrating domestic capabilities. I will post a list of domestic tech of manned combat aviation products that are built inside Iran. The unmanned aviation sector is performing brilliantly and there is no problem there, the problem is new fighter jets.

Turbojet for Fighter jet
Turbofan, Turbojets for UCAVs
4.0 gen FBWed composite fuselage with landing gears
Ejection seats
Glass cockpits
PESA Lookdown Shootdown 3 types with tracking ranges upto 120 KM.
Avionics; Flight, Airdata, Engine, Ballistic, Weapons computers.
Navigation Communication local INS-SAT, Radio, TACAN, ILS
Encrypted Double Duplex Datalinking (MUM-T, peer-peer, with IADS)
Helmet Mounted Displays (Track cueing HMD)
ECCM/ECM RWR, MAWS, Jammers Internal
External Jamming pods
External Tracking pods (EO/TV/IR)
HOBS All aspect IIR WVR
LR-BVR with ARH seeker with onboard ECCM upto 150 KM
PGM (laser, TV, IR, INS/SAT) upto 2000 lbs
ALCM upto 700 KM
AL-AShCM upto 330 KM
ALBM upto ~200 KM

All of this is made inside Iran, shown multiple times being built from scratch, on assembly floors. Some of the stuff exists for 10+ years now. Any good country would have created a force of 250 x local 4th gen interceptors, 50 x AT/LIFTs, would have upgraded the entire F-14, MIG fleet locally to top-notch standard from this local infrastructure a decade ago, and moved to better projects. The problem is not the capability, its money and politically appointed sycophants in IRIAF. Leadership lost interest in IRIAF in 1990s-2000s when IRGC convinced them to throw a massive chunk of the defense budget to them for missiles, and drones, rest went to navy and air defense. To keep up with the leaps of other branches, big wigs of the manned aviation sector of Iran started showing silly projects one after another to embezzle cash (Qaher, F-7, Mirages, domestic helis). When no results came out, leadership cut the budget of even the real projects (Kowsar). Project head of IAIO for Qaher was the same person who once Photoshopped a rebuilt and upgraded F-5E "Azarakhsh" with below fuselage wings to make it appear as new plane, the same bozo later used a university project to design a stealth CAS as "Qaher". Leadership pulled the plug on funding because these people are just not trustworthy. They would rather give money to Air defence or Missile forces that produce actual products. The amusing fact is, even with SU-35S/30SM/YAK-130s the culture of fraud in IRIAF won't change. They are just changing the machines not people.
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You make very valid points and some are partially true indeed but I disagree with you concerning your description of the airforce being run by "politically appointed sycophants". Logically this flawed. These people are part and parcel of the same people making the great advances that you have already listed, and these advances are only the ones that are available to the public. I think most can agree that the military aviation sector of Iran has taking a backseat to the other sectors. What I disagree with you is why. I for one believe that this has to do with a very prudent strategy and the realities in which Iran had/has to contend with. Iran couldn't/can't prioritise the airforce until Iran was actually safe from invasion. The country has some of the most brilliant planners I've ever come across in my long experience on this rock.
Now that offence, land and sea missiles and drones, has pretty much been taken cared off, it seems the final piece of pussel is manned aviation. The geopolitical environment has changed to Iran's favour and this advantage has been taken with the purchase of the SU-35, with hopefully a very high degree of TOT. This will further advance sector at home. Let's be patient!
 
Emirzad said:
The drone is there now so the past stupidity does not matter anymore. My problem is an advanced one though, even if the UCAV is operationalized as a wingman which I wont believe will happen, what advantage will it give to Iran? a humongous territory that needs fast and long-ranged air superiority fighters.



On the contrary, the aviation industry on technical grounds has done an amazing job of demonstrating domestic capabilities. I will post a list of domestic tech of manned combat aviation products that are built inside Iran. The unmanned aviation sector is performing brilliantly and there is no problem there, the problem is new fighter jets.

Turbojet for Fighter jet
Turbofan, Turbojets for UCAVs
4.0 gen FBWed composite fuselage with landing gears
Ejection seats
Glass cockpits
PESA Lookdown Shootdown 3 types with tracking ranges upto 120 KM.
Avionics; Flight, Airdata, Engine, Ballistic, Weapons computers.
Navigation Communication local INS-SAT, Radio, TACAN, ILS
Encrypted Double Duplex Datalinking (MUM-T, peer-peer, with IADS)
Helmet Mounted Displays (Track cueing HMD)
ECCM/ECM RWR, MAWS, Jammers Internal
External Jamming pods
External Tracking pods (EO/TV/IR)
HOBS All aspect IIR WVR
LR-BVR with ARH seeker with onboard ECCM upto 150 KM
PGM (laser, TV, IR, INS/SAT) upto 2000 lbs
ALCM upto 700 KM
AL-AShCM upto 330 KM
ALBM upto ~200 KM

All of this is made inside Iran, shown multiple times being built from scratch, on assembly floors. Some of the stuff exists for 10+ years now. Any good country would have created a force of 250 x local 4th gen interceptors, 50 x AT/LIFTs, would have upgraded the entire F-14, MIG fleet locally to top-notch standard from this local infrastructure a decade ago, and moved to better projects. The problem is not the capability, its money and politically appointed sycophants in IRIAF. Leadership lost interest in IRIAF in 1990s-2000s when IRGC convinced them to throw a massive chunk of the defense budget to them for missiles, and drones, rest went to navy and air defense. To keep up with the leaps of other branches, big wigs of the manned aviation sector of Iran started showing silly projects one after another to embezzle cash (Qaher, F-7, Mirages, domestic helis). When no results came out, leadership cut the budget of even the real projects (Kowsar). Project head of IAIO for Qaher was the same person who once Photoshopped a rebuilt and upgraded F-5E "Azarakhsh" with below fuselage wings to make it appear as new plane, the same bozo later used a university project to design a stealth CAS as "Qaher". Leadership pulled the plug on funding because these people are just not trustworthy. They would rather give money to Air defence or Missile forces that produce actual products. The amusing fact is, even with SU-35S/30SM/YAK-130s the culture of fraud in IRIAF won't change. They are just changing the machines not people.
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Greetings.

I have long harbored the same sentiments.

In a previous post I also referred to the question of morale in the service. Job security, *job satisfaction* and promotion opportunities are just the flip side of the same coin.

And yes, I am still rooting for a LR-BVR with ARH, onboard ECCM and with a range of 150km.

The above-mentioned missile reminds very strongly of a LR-BVR that ticks all of these boxes, namely Fakour-90B/Maghsoud. The legacy Fakour-90 uses SARH.
Its size and weight will unfortunately severely limit which a/c will carry it.

A missile that has been referred to in this forum as 'Arash' - a lightweight AIM-7E2 - should be pursued with the necessary zeal to make it available for deployment on medium and light a/c. Kudo's if Iran can pull such a round from the realms of vapor-ware to real-ware.

I am looking forward to see your list pertaining to aviation developments in Iran.

Piet
 
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