HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

[Raj-Hindustani]

But the JF17 has been in service now for almost 20 years and has defended Pakistani skies

Let’s keep the discussion technical rather than emotional. The age of an aircraft alone is not the deciding factor—what matters is its avionics, radar systems, weapons integration, and overall combat effectiveness.

I don’t care if an aircraft has been flying for 50 years—what’s important is whether it remains technologically relevant. If one aircraft is labeled as outdated while another, with similar technology, is considered modern, there should be a clear technical explanation for the difference.

As far as I know, both aircraft utilise similar technologies.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Bro, delayed and false commitments are a major problem—I have already criticised HAL as much as I can.

but as of now, they have already built 5 HAL Mk1a aircraft, waiting for engines

HAL Chairman cum Managing Director DK Sunil said the first engine would arrive by March and the US major promised supplying 12 such engines in this calendar year.

Next year might every month - 2 engines

Aero India 2025 | HAL to supply 180 LCA Tejas Mk1A by 2031-32

HAL Chairman cum Managing Director DK Sunil said the first engine would arrive by March and the US major promised supplying 12 such engines in this calendar year.

www.deccanherald.com

Dear I'm not in a criticizing mode (criticizing for the sake of criticizing). I personally don't like the India vs. Pakistan debate, but Indians always see half filled glass and Pakistanis always see half empty glass. I try to ask common-sense questions while keeping patriotism aside.

My point is: when you know from the start that something is not possible, why don't people ask that specifically with HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)? Why do they only ask questions when you provide something? Why don't they inquire about how you plan to provide it, what the backup plan is, etc.? Unless you stop giving people escape routes, things won't improve.

India has had enough time and resources to develop a backup engine plan for the Tejas. GE and Kaveri are not the only options (Infact kaveri was out of race quit early). There are other engines in that category available to India, which they could pursue as part of a backup plan. For example, India is already using the RD-33, and they could also explore options like the M88 and EJ200.

I'm not suggesting that changing engines is easy, that they are swappable, or that it wouldn't require time. However, India should have a contingency plan in place right from the start. The same applies to the MK2 and AMCA programs. India doesn't seem to be exploring any alternatives.

These are common-sense observations that I don't see many Indian people asking their institutions and their leaders.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Dear I'm not in a criticizing mode (criticizing for the sake of criticizing). I personally don't like the India vs. Pakistan debate, but Indians always see half filled glass and Pakistanis always see half empty glass. I try to ask common-sense questions while keeping patriotism aside.

My point is: when you know from the start that something is not possible, why don't people ask that specifically with HAL (Hindustan Aeronautics Limited)? Why do they only ask questions when you provide something? Why don't they inquire about how you plan to provide it, what the backup plan is, etc.? Unless you stop giving people escape routes, things won't improve.

India has had enough time and resources to develop a backup engine plan for the Tejas. GE and Kaveri are not the only options (Infact kaveri was out of race quit early). There are other engines in that category available to India, which they could pursue as part of a backup plan. For example, India is already using the RD-33, and they could also explore options like the M88 and EJ200.

I'm not suggesting that changing engines is easy, that they are swappable, or that it wouldn't require time. However, India should have a contingency plan in place right from the start. The same applies to the MK2 and AMCA programs. India doesn't seem to be exploring any alternatives.

These are common-sense observations that I don't see many Indian people asking their institutions and their leaders.

completely agreed....

HAL has learned little over the past 60 years—they could have achieved far more than they have today.

As an Indian, if you ask me, HAL Tejas Mk1 should have been inducted in 70-80 units before 2015, with 50-60 Tejas Mk1A before 2020. By now, HAL should be inducting Mk2 aircraft, and AMCA prototypes should already be undergoing testing.

But HAL runis our dreams,

 

[harpy1]

Do you have a credible source for poor radars and cracking airframes, or are you trolling?

let me know so i can decide what action to take against you next.

I have only just been reinstated by moderator X and already you want to ban

American engines are superior a fact to the rest
Western radars and weapons are superior and combat proven a fact

I will give you source but I know you will say not credible source

Thunder Or Blunder? Pakistan's "Cutting Edge" Fighter Meets 5th Crash In 13 Years; IAF Experts Review JF-17 Aircraft

On June 5, 2024, a JF-17 Thunder Block 2 fighter jet crashed in the Jhang district of Punjab, Pakistan. There had been a lot of social media buzz about the crash, with several videos circulating on the internet but no official confirmation from Islamabad. Russian Engine Fails Pakistan’s JF-17...

www.eurasiantimes.com

JF-17 Exposed: Why Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Fighters Are Inoperable?

Co-produced by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, the JF-17 Block III fighters will complete the trial by 2021. Pakistan has already built over 100 JF-17 …

www.globaldefensecorp.com

I can give more if you want but I prefer to stick to the topic
Tejas is late and engines are delayed but it's far better than mig 21 mig29 and jaguar I will not comment on any adversary jet fie fearing a needless ban
But glad we have USA engines and in house technology for cockpit and weapons

 

[harpy1]

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This looks awesome
It's mark1a
It's in service now
We are proud smart move to only build 40 block 1 and wait for superior mark1a

 

[harpy1]

No, you have made it clear you have no interest in facts. If for you a 4th/4.5th Gen plane that is not even in service yet is cutting edge, lets agree to leave it there.

Rest of neighbourhood is moving to or has moved to 5th/6th Gen.

Which neighbourhood this
Tall claims
I see fleet of three decade old planes as the lynch pin even today
And still to this day much older planes in inventory as per global air forces a respected publication
China has fifth generation but only 10% of their total numbers and they are the super power
So your concerns are not realistic

 

[harpy1]

Coming back to topic Tejas
Those 83 mark 1a are arriving now as we speak using square catagory B engines
As soon as the new engines the ramp up to 12 then 16 then 24 fighters will start meaning all 83 delivered by 2030
At this point mark 2 enters service
Amca five years later some cross over between Amca and mark 2

There is clear plan in place with fighters
Radars
Weapons
Low end 4th generation to high end 4th generation to fifth generation
Its far cry from 100% imports from Russia and France etc

 

[Ak01]

I have only just been reinstated by moderator X and already you want to ban

American engines are superior a fact to the rest
Western radars and weapons are superior and combat proven a fact

I will give you source but I know you will say not credible source

Thunder Or Blunder? Pakistan's "Cutting Edge" Fighter Meets 5th Crash In 13 Years; IAF Experts Review JF-17 Aircraft

On June 5, 2024, a JF-17 Thunder Block 2 fighter jet crashed in the Jhang district of Punjab, Pakistan. There had been a lot of social media buzz about the crash, with several videos circulating on the internet but no official confirmation from Islamabad. Russian Engine Fails Pakistan’s JF-17...

www.eurasiantimes.com

JF-17 Exposed: Why Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Fighters Are Inoperable?

Co-produced by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and the Aviation Industry Corporation of China, the JF-17 Block III fighters will complete the trial by 2021. Pakistan has already built over 100 JF-17 …

www.globaldefensecorp.com

I can give more if you want but I prefer to stick to the topic
Tejas is late and engines are delayed but it's far better than mig 21 mig29 and jaguar I will not comment on any adversary jet fie fearing a needless ban
But glad we have USA engines and in house technology for cockpit and weapons

great, so you know they're noncredible, so you ARE trolling...?

yes, you will continue to be banned so long as you try to troll. But tbh, i could be wrong and you could just be an illiterate which would explain alot

 

[onlinpunit]

But the JF17 has been in service now for almost 20 years and has defended Pakistani skies

So how much modification happened in those 20 years. Your latest variant Block 3 is equivalent to LCA MK1A.

 

[hyperman]

So how much modification happened in those 20 years. Your latest variant Block 3 is equivalent to LCA MK1A.

I think production numbers matter more than whatever specific variant has. I'd should not have waited for the MK1A, it should have produced the MK1 as fast as it counld and in as big amounts as possible. then retrofit it afterwards, once the other subsystems were ready for upgrade.

The Pakistanis make the right developement decisions to not wait for a Jf-17 type of aircraft to be developed, and produced Block 1 and 2 as fast as they could.

 

[onlinpunit]

I think production numbers matter more than whatever specific variant has. I'd should not have waited for the MK1A, it should have produced the MK1 as fast as it counld and in as big amounts as possible. then retrofit it afterwards, once the other subsystems were ready for upgrade.

The Pakistanis make the right developement decisions to not wait for a Jf-17 type of aircraft to be developed, and produced Block 1 and 2 as fast as they could.

Depends on the requirements. For pakistan JF 17 was the lone choice in that era. New F 16 were not coming and china was the only partner.
Our situation was not that desperate and we had luxury of time.

 

[harpy1]

Depends on the requirements. For pakistan JF 17 was the lone choice in that era. New F 16 were not coming and china was the only partner.
Our situation was not that desperate and we had luxury of time.

I disagree buddy we are using jags and migs21
Tejas despite all the criticism is generation ahead in flight control cockpit technology and safety etc
But the air force wanted More state of the art radars and longer range weapons ..
Now we have engine delivery delays
It's great plane imo far better than adversary peer planes but its far too late

 

[harpy1]

By now the mark1a should be in service in 6 squadrons with mark 2 arriving now and Amca 2030

 

[Ak01]

So how much modification happened in those 20 years. Your latest variant Block 3 is equivalent to LCA MK1A.

how many mk1a are in service?

 

[onlinpunit]

how many mk1a are in service?

3 are flying. Engine shortage .