Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates
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hussain0216
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USA really did a job on the Ukrainians and Europe
Got the clowns to not accept Russian control of some Eastern Russian speaking areas and fight instead promising them America and Europe would back them
Gave Ukraine weapons slowly and often late
Ukraine gradually has 1,000,000 men slaughtered in battle and it's county attacked and destroyed
Only for the USA to make deals with Putin, pull the money and throw everything on Ukraine and Europe
And now trying to arm twist Ukraine into a agreement where they give up everything Russia wants or else
Nice job America, nice job
Who could guess MAGA would destroy America this fast
j_hungary
Professional
China won't be able to make your resource counted twice. And whether or not China want to take this particular hot piece of garbage is another question, why would they dump trillion dollars (with a T) on Russia every year? What they got in return??
Meanwhile Trump can say whatever he wanted, he is not in charge, first of all, it's a war between Russia and Ukraine, not US, US does not have troop in Ukraine like they were in Afghanistan, the absolute input for Trump is zero. second of all, EU already displaced US as leading country in aid in both military aid and civilian aid.
Ukraine Support Tracker: Europe clearly overtakes US, with total commitments now twice as large
Europe has clearly overtaken the United States in promised aid to Ukraine, with total European commitments now being twice as large. A main reason is the EU’s new €50 billion “Ukraine Facility,” but also other European countries have upped their support with new multi-year packages. For the...
In fact, what can Trump do? You know why he didn't lift the sanction for Russia? Because he can't, that was passed by bill into law, he is 8 senator short to roll back any sanction package already passed. Trump role in Ukraine war is minimal.
And finally, you say that EU money is nothing because they weren't back with anything, well, then someone obviously didn't tell the EU that. I mean, money is money, just because you think they are paper money does not mean they don't have value, in fact, there are more Euro in any given countries than what Russia can produce in a year as a whole, well, then I guess the world didn't get the memo that Euro worth nothing then......
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Han Patriot
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Lose everything? You could have used Euros to buy cheap oil and gas if only if you didn't become an American poodle and expanded NATO. The Russians want to be European, don't you get it? Gosh, anyhow, it is a plus for China, if all the Whites unite, we are fcked.
j_hungary
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Dude, as I said, do you even know what 4% GDP growth in a 10% inflation rate mean? I asked you that question the last time.
You are growing in a shrinking market. This is like you have a cup of water you drink 10% more of that cup while putting 4% of water back in. The output is not going to hold up with the rate of consumption. Meaning, you are backtracking on the economy as long as it stay inflated.
On the other hand, that % increase largely because of the war production, as I said before, once the war end, those increase would become liability, beacuse you don't need that many artillery round or rifle bullet anymore, those contribute nothing toward Russian economy.
That_Guy
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No, that's your narrative.So you are saying that Ukrainian Generals are stupid. Nato convinced them to do something which NATO knew was impossible since inception
What I'm saying is that an invaded nation needs no convincing, and that Ukrainian would have accepted NATO help from the beginning, but we're not offered anything substantial.
There's a reason why NATO was so slow to back Ukraine when Russia first invaded. Everyone thought Russia would steamroll Ukraine within days....clearly, it didn't happen.
j_hungary
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That's because a general person won't have saving and debt at the same time.
If you have saving in a bank, you won't take out a loan, that's what normal people do, I mean sure you can have 100,000,000 rouble saving in a bank and still take out a 300,000 rouble loan and buy a house, you can of course do that, but that's just stupid.
They know they will get paid, but at what end? And who will be paid? It' a simple question, how many people in Russia are rich? Are rich Russian more than Poor Russian? If they aren't then there will be a economical gap that Bank can't service, because that mean net debt is going to be bigger than net asset/equity in Russia. That mean bank will have to write off more loan than they can take back the money, and you don't need to have a degree in economy like me to understand this is a bad thing.
j_hungary
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Actually, both HIMARS (GMLRS Projectile) and Patriot Projectile are produce outside US. Germany, Poland, South Korea and Japan produced their own stock
MBDA and Raytheon Missiles & Defense present Patriot 2048 – Roadmap to production of Patriot Interceptor Missiles in Germany - EDR Magazine
Berlin | 11/30/2022 | Patriot™ is becoming increasingly important as the backbone of NATO and German air defense. Raytheon Missiles
www.edrmagazine.eu
Lockheed offers Polish industry a seat at its rocket launcher table
Lockheed Martin is offering Poland’s defense industry an opportunity to participate in the production of guided multiple-launch rocket systems.
www.defensenews.com
Ceasing arms transfer from the US (Which is nothing new) would not be impacting on European Country contribute their own stock and restock with locally produced projectile as US already signed off export license for the equipment (Otherwise Ukraine would not be able to use it), the only way to stop this is for Trump to sign a law to terminate the export license. Which again, he is 8 senator short.
Ё-МАЁ
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You are too primitive, you can ask such a question about any country. Oil and gas is the same real economy. It's not just a hole in the ground, huge investments are made in exploration, production and transport.
BHAN85
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West Europe has no energy resources neither raw materials, just industry and services. With the only exception of Norway and North Britain, and it's a little thing if you compare to Russia.
Raw materials and energy resources are nature gifts.
Industry and services are man made things.
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