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The Egyptian Air Force is large and Egypt follows a policy of diversifying weapons sources so that it is not pressured by one of the suppliers.

The West supports Israel and will be against Egypt in the event of any war with it.

The diversity of fighters means the diversity of backward capabilities and ammunition.
Economically, Egypt cannot rely on 100 Rafale fighters in its air force. The cost of one plane is $150 million. It is ultimately a fourth-generation fighter and not all missions require a fighter like the Rafale.

One of the reasons is that the Russians were unable to develop the MIG-35 aircraft at the required level appropriate to Egyptian needs.

Suppliers cannot meet Egypt's full needs at the appropriate times due to the busy production lines.

There are many factors that led Egypt to turn to J-10C fighters. They represent a light aircraft for Egypt and represent the best price for performance, diversity, and low cost of its ammunition and diversity.

J-10C is developable.

UPGRADE Potential for J-10C:

certain modifications could reduce its radar cross-section (RCS). These might include:
Incorporating radar-absorbent materials (RAM) into critical areas like the engine intake, cockpit, and leading edges.
Redesigning some external features to minimize radar reflection.
The possibility of developing sensor fusion capabilities to provide higher capabilities

Enhancing the J-10C’s sensor fusion capabilities by integrating more sophisticated data processing algorithms and artificial intelligence (AI) to improve the pilot’s ability to interpret and act on sensor data quickly.
Upgrading the AESA radar to have greater range, resolution, and multi-function capabilities, including electronic attack modes.
Possibility of updating
IRST (Infrared Search and Track) systems, to provide passive detection capabilities that complement the radar and mitigate help the risk of being jammed or decoyed.
The software package includes PL-15 production
Continuing to refine and extend the range and performance of the PL-15 or developing even more advanced long-range missiles with enhanced seekers and counter-countermeasures (CCM).
Exploring hypersonic missile technologies
Availability of capabilities to improve performance
Electronic Warfare (EW) and Countermeasures
The ability to improve
Enhancing the J-10C’s ability to operate in an electromagnetic spectrum environment by improving its radar warning receivers (RWRs), electronic support measures (ESM), and electronic countermeasures (ECM).

Enhancing the J-10C’s datalink capabilities to allow for real-time information sharing with other friendly assets.
Developing secure communication channels and ensuring seamless interoperability with other platforms, such as unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and command centers.
Implementing AI-driven decision support systems to help the pilot process and act on battlefield information quickly and accurately.
All this is being studied with the possibility of working with UAV and early warning aircraft.

At a cost of 1/3 of obtaining a fighter like the Rafale, it provides Egypt with financial resources by integrating fifth-generation fighters while maintaining the number of fighters for the theaters of operations facing Egypt, whether in the eastern Mediterranean, Libya, or the sources of the Nile. Also, Egypt does not depend on one camp, eastern or western.

Egypt will also turn to Chinese fifth-generation fighters. for secnd stage

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bro. The J-10C is just China's fourth class fighter jet. You have too many requirements for it.

If you have so many demands. Why not buy the J-35?

BTW. Egypt is not the only country with Rafale fighter jets.

This is J-10C patrolling Mount Everest. There should be a hangar for Rafale fighter jets 300 km across from it.

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Even if the French do give them the meteors, they will be dumbed down
versions or they could have the kill
switch like the hezbollah pagers.

Unfortunately all Western powers are beholden to Zionazis and are offering toothless fighters with only short range air-to air missiles to Egypt.
 
bro. The J-10C is just China's fourth class fighter jet. You have too many requirements for it.

If you have so many demands. Why not buy the J-35?

BTW. Egypt is not the only country with Rafale fighter jets.

This is J-10C patrolling Mount Everest. There should be a hangar for Rafale fighter jets 300 km across from it.

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The situation may be different from what you think. Egypt fought previously in 1973. The rates of weapons consumption are large. Also, when any war breaks out, Egypt will not find large sources of weapons to supply during the war. In the Middle East, the armies of Iraq, Syria and Libya were destroyed, and they supported Egypt in any war with Israel. The shrinkage of air weapons globally means that there are no surplus weapons that countries can supply.

Threats at the sources of the Nile
The collapse of countries such as the Sun and Libya impose on Egypt the inevitability of protecting its inflamed borders, in which terrorist groups are spread, such as western Libya and some parts of Sudan.

Regarding a fighter such as the J-10C, it is classified in Egypt as a tactical fighter, and tactical fighters conduct most air battles. The heavy air superiority fighters in all air forces are limited in number. China has 500-700 J-10 aircraft, which is the most numerous fighter in the Chinese Air Force, just as the F-16 fighters were 1,600, while The number of F-15 fighters is less than half the number
Egypt owns 212 F-16s, of which more than 70 are over 40 years old, and the F-16 BLOCK-15/32 is at the end of its lifespan, and its ability to carry out missions is less and its availability for combat is less
The same thing, 82 similar MIRAGE-5 fighters are out of service, as the last fighter is expected to be out of service before 2027
The Russians' ability to develop MIG-35 fighters needed a long period of development, so Egypt turned to what was available
Today there was an economic TV program talking about military matters, which explained that Egypt, like Pakistan, obtained aircraft
directly from the Chinese Air Force in a quick deal
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We come to the point that the J-10C fighters, why do you want them to have their capabilities raised to the highest possible degree for a very simple reason, that Egypt always tries to extract the highest capabilities for any fighter it obtains. For example, in 1987, Egypt integrated AIM-7M missiles and raised the capabilities of Arming it to the level of the F-15 fighters at this time and before it in the 1973 war, Egypt added suspension points and increased the size of the armament of the MIG-17/21 fighters and some updates to them. Since Egypt requested triple suspension points like those found on the Egyptian Rafale and F-16 fighters and raised the level of armament of the aircraft, let us give a simple example. Does China need to integrate the PL-17 missile into the J-10C tactical fighter, which is integrated into the J-11/15/16/20 fighters, which are aircraft that have powerful radars that direct it? The same thing applies to integrating a diverse and new series of ammunition for any customer. Let us come to the story of the Rafale. I did not say that Egypt is the only one. Egypt has its first international currency and wants to replace the MIRAGE-5 aircraft with it. I previously knew that Samar would request between 72-100 aircraft from it in batches, but it currently represents, along with the MIG-29M and F-16 BLOCK-52 fighters, the highest-performance fighters within the Egyptian Air Force fighter system. New fighters are an order

Selling to replace fighters Egypt does not currently manufacture fighters, although there are plans to do so, but it must obtain fighters from all sources it can obtain and in the maximum possible number.

Regarding the FC-35 fighters, they have not officially entered service, but there is a continuous postponement regarding them. According to the policy of the Egyptian Air Force, the fighters must have served with the air force of the manufacturer for at least two years to ensure that they are free of any defects or problems. Therefore, they are not available quickly, even if they entered the Chinese Air Force this year. Therefore, the tactical fighter currently available is the J-10, especially since the Rafale production lines are crowded. In addition to the supplies to the Egyptian Air Force, there are supplies to the Indonesian, Emirati, Croatian, Emirati and Iraqi air forces. That is, any requests for the Egyptian Air Force will not be made before 4 years from the contract now, and Egypt has not planned for any new contract for RAFALE fighters before 2026, that is, new deliveries after the deal currently being implemented will not be made before 2029. It is true that the Russians have increased their capacity Production lines of the MIG-35 to 36 fighters, but the level of modernization required and the Russian plans have not finished. They want 70 fighters. In the event that the Russian Air Force contracts for them, the implementation of Russian orders will not be completed before 2028. This brings us back to the point of the plane. The only one available to Egypt now as a tactical fighter is the J-10. As I explained, its entry into service will add a new and diverse package of ammunition to the Egyptian Air Force.
 
bro. The J-10C is just China's fourth class fighter jet. You have too many requirements for it.

If you have so many demands. Why not buy the J-35?

BTW. Egypt is not the only country with Rafale fighter jets.

This is J-10C patrolling Mount Everest. There should be a hangar for Rafale fighter jets 300 km across from it.

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Because of altitude those rockets are fired and Delhi's elevation the range is much more.
 
The situation may be different from what you think. Egypt fought previously in 1973. The rates of weapons consumption are large. Also, when any war breaks out, Egypt will not find large sources of weapons to supply during the war. In the Middle East, the armies of Iraq, Syria and Libya were destroyed, and they supported Egypt in any war with Israel. The shrinkage of air weapons globally means that there are no surplus weapons that countries can supply.

Threats at the sources of the Nile
The collapse of countries such as the Sun and Libya impose on Egypt the inevitability of protecting its inflamed borders, in which terrorist groups are spread, such as western Libya and some parts of Sudan.

Regarding a fighter such as the J-10C, it is classified in Egypt as a tactical fighter, and tactical fighters conduct most air battles. The heavy air superiority fighters in all air forces are limited in number. China has 500-700 J-10 aircraft, which is the most numerous fighter in the Chinese Air Force, just as the F-16 fighters were 1,600, while The number of F-15 fighters is less than half the number
Egypt owns 212 F-16s, of which more than 70 are over 40 years old, and the F-16 BLOCK-15/32 is at the end of its lifespan, and its ability to carry out missions is less and its availability for combat is less
The same thing, 82 similar MIRAGE-5 fighters are out of service, as the last fighter is expected to be out of service before 2027
The Russians' ability to develop MIG-35 fighters needed a long period of development, so Egypt turned to what was available
Today there was an economic TV program talking about military matters, which explained that Egypt, like Pakistan, obtained aircraft
directly from the Chinese Air Force in a quick deal
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Minute 24 of the video


We come to the point that the J-10C fighters, why do you want them to have their capabilities raised to the highest possible degree for a very simple reason, that Egypt always tries to extract the highest capabilities for any fighter it obtains. For example, in 1987, Egypt integrated AIM-7M missiles and raised the capabilities of Arming it to the level of the F-15 fighters at this time and before it in the 1973 war, Egypt added suspension points and increased the size of the armament of the MIG-17/21 fighters and some updates to them. Since Egypt requested triple suspension points like those found on the Egyptian Rafale and F-16 fighters and raised the level of armament of the aircraft, let us give a simple example. Does China need to integrate the PL-17 missile into the J-10C tactical fighter, which is integrated into the J-11/15/16/20 fighters, which are aircraft that have powerful radars that direct it? The same thing applies to integrating a diverse and new series of ammunition for any customer. Let us come to the story of the Rafale. I did not say that Egypt is the only one. Egypt has its first international currency and wants to replace the MIRAGE-5 aircraft with it. I previously knew that Samar would request between 72-100 aircraft from it in batches, but it currently represents, along with the MIG-29M and F-16 BLOCK-52 fighters, the highest-performance fighters within the Egyptian Air Force fighter system. New fighters are an order

Selling to replace fighters Egypt does not currently manufacture fighters, although there are plans to do so, but it must obtain fighters from all sources it can obtain and in the maximum possible number.

Regarding the FC-35 fighters, they have not officially entered service, but there is a continuous postponement regarding them. According to the policy of the Egyptian Air Force, the fighters must have served with the air force of the manufacturer for at least two years to ensure that they are free of any defects or problems. Therefore, they are not available quickly, even if they entered the Chinese Air Force this year. Therefore, the tactical fighter currently available is the J-10, especially since the Rafale production lines are crowded. In addition to the supplies to the Egyptian Air Force, there are supplies to the Indonesian, Emirati, Croatian, Emirati and Iraqi air forces. That is, any requests for the Egyptian Air Force will not be made before 4 years from the contract now, and Egypt has not planned for any new contract for RAFALE fighters before 2026, that is, new deliveries after the deal currently being implemented will not be made before 2029. It is true that the Russians have increased their capacity Production lines of the MIG-35 to 36 fighters, but the level of modernization required and the Russian plans have not finished. They want 70 fighters. In the event that the Russian Air Force contracts for them, the implementation of Russian orders will not be completed before 2028. This brings us back to the point of the plane. The only one available to Egypt now as a tactical fighter is the J-10. As I explained, its entry into service will add a new and diverse package of ammunition to the Egyptian Air Force.

U need to understand that J 10 C is the only ac in the Egyptian AF inventory that gives it fighting chance to go toe to toe against IAF.
With EW package, radar n the weapons package that give EAF first shot capability at extreme BVR distances.
Before J10C EAF only had shinny toothless toys who would be blown out of the sky even before they could realize wt hit them.
 
U need to understand that J 10 C is the only ac in the Egyptian AF inventory that gives it fighting chance to go toe to toe against IAF.
With EW package, radar n the weapons package that give EAF first shot capability at extreme BVR distances.
Before J10C EAF only had shinny toothless toys who would be blown out of the sky even before they could realize wt hit them.

U need to understand that J 10 C is the only ac in the Egyptian AF inventory that gives it fighting chance to go toe to toe against IAF.
With EW package, radar n the weapons package that give EAF first shot capability at extreme BVR distances.
Before J10C EAF only had shinny toothless toys who would be blown out of the sky even before they could realize wt hit them.
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It is clear that the matter is related to the size of your information about the Egyptian Air Force

Egypt actually possesses 300 R-77 missiles

In addition to another deal that has already requested 150 more

Egypt has had MICA missiles for a long time on MIRAGE-2000 fighters, although they have a shorter range than AMRAM missiles, but they are more efficient than them

In addition to Egypt's contracts for MICA missiles with the Rafale deal as well

Do you think the French military-industrial complex will accept not supplying METEOR missiles? Will France sacrifice a third Rafale deal with Egypt by not meeting Egypt's defense needs? Egypt does not trust any promises from a country, so it obtained an initial batch of METEOR missiles immediately after signing the 2021 Rafale contract

The Egyptian will clarify matters in the form of questions

What if Egypt possesses large numbers of SU-35 fighters equipped with R-77M & R-37M missiles? The SU-35 contracts may be more than announced and also Egypt does not care about American objections at all, only the announcement is related to Israel requesting more weapons from America

What if Egypt obtained the same way it obtained SCLAP missiles, METEOR missiles from an additional source from the stock of a European country as part of a secret deal in addition to the 2021 order

Can't AIM-7 missiles be developed with the help of other countries

And has the outdated American mission computer for F-16 BLOCK- 40 aircraft and the source code not been tampered with and is Egypt leaving 200 F-16 fighters without claws? It is clear that you do not understand that Egypt has been behind the Emirates as an arms market since 1970 to meet Egypt's needs for banned Western weapons, and Egypt used Turkey as a western gateway before 2010 for what America prevents from Egypt

Did you know that Egypt's negotiations with China during the past three years are not only to obtain 1000 PL-15 missiles and not only to produce them locally, but also to develop a version with a longer range Used by the Egyptian Air Force

America offered Egypt in 2022 to obtain F-15 fighters Egypt stipulated American approval to obtain AIM-260 missiles
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Did you know that the American company Lockheed Martin did not only pressure decision-makers in America to meet the Egyptian missile requirements to pass the deal to develop the Egyptian F-16 fighters because the size of the development deal would have been large

Did you know that India offered Egypt to manufacture the ASTRA missile to use on the Egyptian fighters as well

You are forgetting very important matters Money is a pressure factor on arms exporters to meet the maximum available deals

The vision of how the J-10C fighter entered service with the Egyptian Air Force becomes clear I do not care about some denying or not believing, but the issue is much more complicated than some imagine

Egypt signed the deal with China and sent pilots to Pakistan to train on the Pakistani J-10C aircraft under the guise of the Indus Shield joint international training program

China, according to leaks from the previous video, included the following

1- Training Egyptian pilots in Pakistan
2 - Egypt obtained 25 J-10C aircraft directly from the Chinese Air Force and also PL-15 missiles from the same source.

It is similar to the first 6 aircraft that Pakistan obtained from China. The difference is that the first Pakistani aircraft was the J-10B aircraft that Pakistan obtained from the Chinese Air Force and was developed into the J-10C.

Did you know that China meets Egypt's military requirements easily? Not because of the military cooperation program that has been ongoing for more than 50 years, and not because Egypt was a back door for China to obtain military technology through Western weapons that Egypt used and allowed China to examine. The matter is much more complicated than this.

There is an American-Russian alliance directed against China, as it is a threat to the American and Russian economies at the same time, because China is currently the largest economy in the world, and the Americans and Russians were able to dwarf the Europeans and their economy so that Europe remains an economic follower of America.

Did you know that the Russian temptations to Egypt to provide multiple Russian fighters only to reduce the size of Egypt's military cooperation with China, including not only supplying aircraft MIG-35 with equipment derived from the SU-57 electronic equipment and also offered Egypt to develop the production of the SU-75 aircraft with the Russians to the highest technical level available instead of cooperating with China, as the Russians are losing arms markets, so they are offering India to produce the SU-57 aircraft in India and integrate Indian ammunition into it and jointly develop the aircraft and transfer Russian technologies to the Chinese AMCA fighter, as China, with its sixth-generation fighter production programs, made the Russians appear in global markets as technically backward compared to China. China also considers Egypt a window for exporting Chinese products to Europe and Africa, so it is pumping huge investments into Egypt and offering Egypt small nuclear reactors to produce electricity and desalinate water. America tried to strike the Chinese Silk Road, including the Egyptian economy, because the Egyptian Suez Canal is part of the road, so we find the Chinese pumping large investments into Egypt now to become the largest industrial investor in Egypt. China also wants Egypt to become a producer of Chinese weapons for export to Africa, including fighters. China needs Samar among 5 countries to enhance its activity The international economy and also escaping European and American customs policies, protection by exploiting the size of customs exemptions that Egypt obtains from countries with a population of 3 billion, so Egypt is the best global location to become an industrial center close to 3 continents. Egypt has a huge military economy that is enough that $5 billion in revenues from the Egyptian Suez Canal are obtained by the Egyptian army among many resources that include its control over Egyptian mining raw materials, cement factories, fertilizer factories, feldspar factories, and a large chain of factories with companies exceeding 60 companies that control a large percentage of the Egyptian economy. Egypt has financial reserves that can meet a war economy with numbers that exceed Egypt's imports for the entire year. Simply put, Egypt has rejected all American temptations since November 2013 to prevent any arms contracts with Russia by providing similar American weapons, which Egypt rejected, and the same thing with China

We come to a more important point. Does the Egyptian Air Force rely only on the first batch of J-10C fighters to protect Egyptian airspace or challenge the Israeli Air Force, which in the past obtained 400 F-16 aircraft, 200 F-15 aircraft over forty years, and also contracted for 75 F-35 aircraft and a first batch of 25 F-15IA aircraft? Allow me to tell you that your intelligence is limited. Did you know that the United States has a large air base in the Negev in Israel and another base that it operates in partnership with Israel? Simply put, any military conflict between Egypt and Israel in which the J-10C aircraft is part of the combat system? Egypt relies on obtaining weapons from all global sources. If it cooperates with China and Pakistan, it cooperates with India. Although the Egyptian ballistic missile program includes cooperation with China and North Korea, Egypt also cooperates with India in ballistic missile engines at speeds of 8 Mach and wants to obtain LCA aircraft. MK1A to be used in the Egyptian Air Combat School primarily within the program to raise the level of trade with India to 12 billion dollars instead of 6 currently.
Any war between Egypt and Israel will be harsh and the next war will be final. Therefore, the mentality of children who think that the Egyptian Air Force has no claws indicates naivety and lack of knowledge of the facts.
Everyone is talking about the fact that Egypt does not possess BVR missiles. Egypt is interested in deepening this thought simply because simply if it is announced that there is no problem, Israel will obtain more financial and military support from the alliance of global Zionist countries headed by America. If Egypt's armament appears modest, it will benefit Egypt more than its enemies.

Did you know that the Egyptian military contracting for fighters with China has an impact on arms exports and the arms market in the Middle East? We explain simply that the Saudi Air Force believes that Egypt's acquisition of Chinese fourth-generation and fifth-generation fighter jets will force them to buy more fighters, and the same is true for the UAE Air Force, so we find that contracting operations for other fighters are accelerating, so Saudi Arabia is negotiating with South Korea for the KF-21 and with America for the F-35, and the same is true for the UAE in light of competition. The impact of Egypt's acquisition of Chinese fighters makes Algeria request Chinese fighters, Sudan and Nigeria because there is confidence in the choices of the Egyptian Air Force in Africa, so the Americans are very angry, whether the Egyptian-Chinese economic and military cooperation because it detracts from America's influence in Africa, so the economic pressures through international classification institutions and the World Bank on Egypt because Egypt destroyed the American arms market. Did you know that Egypt saved the German shipyards by purchasing German submarines and frigates and supported Germany in the production of air defense systems by making Egypt the first customer for IRIS-T SLM missiles and France Which pumps funding into producing alternatives to Hellfire missiles and developing more versions of the Rafale and the growth of the French frigate and corvettes market due to the Egyptian deals, meaning that some naive people do not understand what Egypt did, as countries turned to France and South Korea instead of the American arms market. It is the same policy when Egypt opened its markets to China and Chinese companies to implement their projects in Egypt at the expense of American and European companies. China relied on 10 markets in developing countries to develop its economy, including Egypt, Brazil, Turkey, etc. Did you understand that the matter is bigger than a squadron of J-10C fighters that Egypt obtained quickly as a pressure tool on Israel? The Egyptian Air Force developed its capabilities quickly, preventing war with it as a result of deterrence.
 
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It is clear that the matter is related to the size of your information about the Egyptian Air Force

Egypt actually possesses 300 R-77 missiles

In addition to another deal that has already requested 150 more

Egypt has had MICA missiles for a long time on MIRAGE-2000 fighters, although they have a shorter range than AMRAM missiles, but they are more efficient than them

In addition to Egypt's contracts for MICA missiles with the Rafale deal as well

Do you think the French military-industrial complex will accept not supplying METEOR missiles? Will France sacrifice a third Rafale deal with Egypt by not meeting Egypt's defense needs? Egypt does not trust any promises from a country, so it obtained an initial batch of METEOR missiles immediately after signing the 2021 Rafale contract

The Egyptian will clarify matters in the form of questions

What if Egypt possesses large numbers of SU-35 fighters equipped with R-77M & R-37M missiles? The SU-35 contracts may be more than announced and also Egypt does not care about American objections at all, only the announcement is related to Israel requesting more weapons from America

What if Egypt obtained the same way it obtained SCLAP missiles, METEOR missiles from an additional source from the stock of a European country as part of a secret deal in addition to the 2021 order

Can't AIM-7 missiles be developed with the help of other countries

And has the outdated American mission computer for F-16 BLOCK- 40 aircraft and the source code not been tampered with and is Egypt leaving 200 F-16 fighters without claws? It is clear that you do not understand that Egypt has been behind the Emirates as an arms market since 1970 to meet Egypt's needs for banned Western weapons, and Egypt used Turkey as a western gateway before 2010 for what America prevents from Egypt

Did you know that Egypt's negotiations with China during the past three years are not only to obtain 1000 PL-15 missiles and not only to produce them locally, but also to develop a version with a longer range Used by the Egyptian Air Force

America offered Egypt in 2022 to obtain F-15 fighters Egypt stipulated American approval to obtain AIM-260 missiles
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Did you know that the American company Lockheed Martin did not only pressure decision-makers in America to meet the Egyptian missile requirements to pass the deal to develop the Egyptian F-16 fighters because the size of the development deal would have been large

Did you know that India offered Egypt to manufacture the ASTRA missile to use on the Egyptian fighters as well

You are forgetting very important matters Money is a pressure factor on arms exporters to meet the maximum available deals

The vision of how the J-10C fighter entered service with the Egyptian Air Force becomes clear I do not care about some denying or not believing, but the issue is much more complicated than some imagine

Egypt signed the deal with China and sent pilots to Pakistan to train on the Pakistani J-10C aircraft under the guise of the Indus Shield joint international training program

China, according to leaks from the previous video, included the following

1- Training Egyptian pilots in Pakistan
2 - Egypt obtained 25 J-10C aircraft directly from the Chinese Air Force and also PL-15 missiles from the same source.

It is similar to the first 6 aircraft that Pakistan obtained from China. The difference is that the first Pakistani aircraft was the J-10B aircraft that Pakistan obtained from the Chinese Air Force and was developed into the J-10C.

Did you know that China meets Egypt's military requirements easily? Not because of the military cooperation program that has been ongoing for more than 50 years, and not because Egypt was a back door for China to obtain military technology through Western weapons that Egypt used and allowed China to examine. The matter is much more complicated than this.

There is an American-Russian alliance directed against China, as it is a threat to the American and Russian economies at the same time, because China is currently the largest economy in the world, and the Americans and Russians were able to dwarf the Europeans and their economy so that Europe remains an economic follower of America.

Did you know that the Russian temptations to Egypt to provide multiple Russian fighters only to reduce the size of Egypt's military cooperation with China, including not only supplying aircraft MIG-35 with equipment derived from the SU-57 electronic equipment and also offered Egypt to develop the production of the SU-75 aircraft with the Russians to the highest technical level available instead of cooperating with China, as the Russians are losing arms markets, so they are offering India to produce the SU-57 aircraft in India and integrate Indian ammunition into it and jointly develop the aircraft and transfer Russian technologies to the Chinese AMCA fighter, as China, with its sixth-generation fighter production programs, made the Russians appear in global markets as technically backward compared to China. China also considers Egypt a window for exporting Chinese products to Europe and Africa, so it is pumping huge investments into Egypt and offering Egypt small nuclear reactors to produce electricity and desalinate water. America tried to strike the Chinese Silk Road, including the Egyptian economy, because the Egyptian Suez Canal is part of the road, so we find the Chinese pumping large investments into Egypt now to become the largest industrial investor in Egypt. China also wants Egypt to become a producer of Chinese weapons for export to Africa, including fighters. China needs Samar among 5 countries to enhance its activity The international economy and also escaping European and American customs policies, protection by exploiting the size of customs exemptions that Egypt obtains from countries with a population of 3 billion, so Egypt is the best global location to become an industrial center close to 3 continents. Egypt has a huge military economy that is enough that $5 billion in revenues from the Egyptian Suez Canal are obtained by the Egyptian army among many resources that include its control over Egyptian mining raw materials, cement factories, fertilizer factories, feldspar factories, and a large chain of factories with companies exceeding 60 companies that control a large percentage of the Egyptian economy. Egypt has financial reserves that can meet a war economy with numbers that exceed Egypt's imports for the entire year. Simply put, Egypt has rejected all American temptations since November 2013 to prevent any arms contracts with Russia by providing similar American weapons, which Egypt rejected, and the same thing with China

We come to a more important point. Does the Egyptian Air Force rely only on the first batch of J-10C fighters to protect Egyptian airspace or challenge the Israeli Air Force, which in the past obtained 400 F-16 aircraft, 200 F-15 aircraft over forty years, and also contracted for 75 F-35 aircraft and a first batch of 25 F-15IA aircraft? Allow me to tell you that your intelligence is limited. Did you know that the United States has a large air base in the Negev in Israel and another base that it operates in partnership with Israel? Simply put, any military conflict between Egypt and Israel in which the J-10C aircraft is part of the combat system? Egypt relies on obtaining weapons from all global sources. If it cooperates with China and Pakistan, it cooperates with India. Although the Egyptian ballistic missile program includes cooperation with China and North Korea, Egypt also cooperates with India in ballistic missile engines at speeds of 8 Mach and wants to obtain LCA aircraft. MK1A to be used in the Egyptian Air Combat School primarily within the program to raise the level of trade with India to 12 billion dollars instead of 6 currently.
Any war between Egypt and Israel will be harsh and the next war will be final. Therefore, the mentality of children who think that the Egyptian Air Force has no claws indicates naivety and lack of knowledge of the facts.
Everyone is talking about the fact that Egypt does not possess BVR missiles. Egypt is interested in deepening this thought simply because simply if it is announced that there is no problem, Israel will obtain more financial and military support from the alliance of global Zionist countries headed by America. If Egypt's armament appears modest, it will benefit Egypt more than its enemies.

Did you know that the Egyptian military contracting for fighters with China has an impact on arms exports and the arms market in the Middle East? We explain simply that the Saudi Air Force believes that Egypt's acquisition of Chinese fourth-generation and fifth-generation fighter jets will force them to buy more fighters, and the same is true for the UAE Air Force, so we find that contracting operations for other fighters are accelerating, so Saudi Arabia is negotiating with South Korea for the KF-21 and with America for the F-35, and the same is true for the UAE in light of competition. The impact of Egypt's acquisition of Chinese fighters makes Algeria request Chinese fighters, Sudan and Nigeria because there is confidence in the choices of the Egyptian Air Force in Africa, so the Americans are very angry, whether the Egyptian-Chinese economic and military cooperation because it detracts from America's influence in Africa, so the economic pressures through international classification institutions and the World Bank on Egypt because Egypt destroyed the American arms market. Did you know that Egypt saved the German shipyards by purchasing German submarines and frigates and supported Germany in the production of air defense systems by making Egypt the first customer for IRIS-T SLM missiles and France Which pumps funding into producing alternatives to Hellfire missiles and developing more versions of the Rafale and the growth of the French frigate and corvettes market due to the Egyptian deals, meaning that some naive people do not understand what Egypt did, as countries turned to France and South Korea instead of the American arms market. It is the same policy when Egypt opened its markets to China and Chinese companies to implement their projects in Egypt at the expense of American and European companies. China relied on 10 markets in developing countries to develop its economy, including Egypt, Brazil, Turkey, etc. Did you understand that the matter is bigger than a squadron of J-10C fighters that Egypt obtained quickly as a pressure tool on Israel? The Egyptian Air Force developed its capabilities quickly, preventing war with it as a result of deterrence.


It's cute you guys have become so submissive to the West yet still pretend you have strategic independence.

Your air force would cease to function in two weeks if the Americans and French deemed it fit.

The biggest enemy your country could wipe you off the face of the planet tomorrow if they wanted to

Also lets forget about the rest of the Arab world caring what airplanes EAF chooses, EAF follows not leads in fighter purchases.
 
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It is clear that you do not understand anything and do not comprehend the reality of things in the period between 2000-2011 Egypt completely deceived the West and obtained huge quantities of weapons for free while its relationship with eastern sources was fully activated.

You only criticize Egypt for reasons related to hatred and grudges and not for objective matters and this depends on your lack of understanding and ignorance of the reality of things.

Egypt builds its military capacity by providing weapons from all global sources because in war we know very well the high consumption of weapons and when war breaks out the sources of supply for weapons will be limited, therefore Egypt collecting huge stockpiles of weapons is a very necessary matter. We are the old ones, we redevelop them and rehabilitate them to be used in other roles.

During the Russian-Okremlin war, the Americans tried to obtain weapons from Egypt.
Egypt collected 3000 M60 tanks and more than 5000 M113/YPR765 armored vehicles and 600 M109 cannons and thousands of other weapons in addition to the eastern stockpiles. Egypt refused
Egypt does not follow the West, on the contrary, it rejects American demands in many areas, whether Egypt's presence in Somalia or the Nile Basin.
America rejects Egyptian-Russian and Chinese cooperation, whether in armament or economics.
Egypt was not with America against Russia in Ukraine.
Egypt is against American and Israeli policies in Palestine. Egypt created the Palestinian problem, and because you are ignorant, you do not know that Egypt is the one who prevented the naturalization of Palestinians in Arab countries. You do not know that the people of Gaza are originally displaced from the West Bank. They wanted to escape to Egypt in 1948 and 1967, and Egypt prevented their escape from Gaza to Egypt. Therefore, the population of Gaza doubled from 60,000 to 2.3 million. Where does Gaza get its weapons, you naive person?
I do not know. Some people easily issue judgments with strategic stupidity just because their souls are sick.

You, as an ignorant person, do not blame Egypt for being the first buyer of Chinese weapons in the seventies. 1970 Egypt obtained 100 engines for fighters. MIG-21 and got 6 HQ-6 bombers and 90 F-6 aircraft and supplied China with a MIG-23 squadron to be the first modern Chinese combat squadron in 1976 in addition to supporting China's J-9 aircraft project. Did you know that China is one of the developers of F-16 equipment? Egypt developed the N/ALQ-131 (ECM) in 2009, meaning that simply no one knows the depth of the Egyptian-Chinese military cooperation programs in 2015. A huge deal to buy 100 WING LOONG I aircraft as a stage. Did you know that Egypt produces 100 WJ-700 aircraft locally in cooperation with China in addition to 76 WING LOONG II aircraft? Egypt bought 40 CH-5 aircraft. Egypt is the largest international customer for Chinese drones. What is announced is part of what Egypt gets from China. What we are listing is what is leaked through Western and Israeli sources. Are you trying to undermine Egypt's capabilities or are you just trying to provoke me? Proving your point of view based on hatred and ignorance of the facts of things, simply put, Egypt is not a country subordinate to America or others, on the contrary, it manages its policy with complete independence. Last week, Egypt prevented the entry of American B-52 bombers and their guard planes because they did not request permission to enter Egyptian airspace, and an American aircraft carrier was taken out of service off the Egyptian coast. The reasons for the collision were not announced, although the carrier was surrounded by multiple guard ships. When the Americans threaten, why did they back down from pressuring Egypt? You, as an artificial state, have been Egypt since 1954, the first to create sources of diverse weapons. The Americans themselves say that Egypt expelled the Soviets in 1972 and 1976, and our expulsion from Egypt would not take more than 24 hours in 2013. The American military felt the hostility of the Egyptian army when relations became tense due to Egypt expelling the Muslim Brotherhood from power, a British creation. Simply put, your opinions are not neutral, but rather according to personal whims and ignorance of the nature of things, and you want things to get out of hand. The range of the J-10 aircraft and Egypt had previously manufactured 120 F-7 aircraft, 120 F-6 aircraft for the air forces of Egypt, Iraq and Sudan in 1982 and simply Egypt can repeat the matter again for other Chinese fighters and Egypt simply has a clear diversity of its armament sources from the French Mirage and Rafale fighters and the Russian MIG-29 fighters and the F-16 and the fact that Egypt refused to develop the F-16 fighters that it obtained from America at a cost of 6 billion dollars in the period between 1982-2015 shows that Egypt’s independence is the opposite of illusions or attempts to detract from Egypt as a major country

Try to speak rationally, neutrally and with respectful thought, instead of hatred, grudges and provocation.

This is the biggest piece of rubbish and misinfo I have read on here for a hile (and that os saying something!)

"in the period between 2000-2011 Egypt completely deceived the West" What do we do with this gem of a sentence, laugh or laugh out loud?

The rest if full of conspiracy theories and outright lies.

"do not blame Egypt for being the first buyer of Chinese weapons in the seventies. 1970 Egypt obtained 100 engines for fighters. MIG-21 and got 6 HQ-6 bombers and 90 F-6 aircraft"
F-6 entered PAF in 1966, full 10 years before EAF.

"Egypt simply has a clear diversity of its armament sources from the French Mirage and Rafale fighters and the Russian MIG-29 fighters and the F-16"

With no BVR weapons or long range strike missiles released with these planes?

Your missile arsenal is full of Scud derivates, you have no nuclear programme.

For such submissive people you talk a good game
 
This is the biggest piece of rubbish and misinfo I have read on here for a hile (and that os saying something!)

"in the period between 2000-2011 Egypt completely deceived the West" What do we do with this gem of a sentence, laugh or laugh out loud?

The rest if full of conspiracy theories and outright lies.

"do not blame Egypt for being the first buyer of Chinese weapons in the seventies. 1970 Egypt obtained 100 engines for fighters. MIG-21 and got 6 HQ-6 bombers and 90 F-6 aircraft"
F-6 entered PAF in 1966, full 10 years before EAF.

"Egypt simply has a clear diversity of its armament sources from the French Mirage and Rafale fighters and the Russian MIG-29 fighters and the F-16"

With no BVR weapons or long range strike missiles released with these planes?

Your missile arsenal is full of Scud derivates, you have no nuclear programme.

For such submissive people you talk a good game
full of justification for basically complete inferior force in case of war with jews, egypt could have eased lot of its air force problems if only made strategic decision to go for JF17 as this plane decade ago and now it is more capable then all what they have in inventory but generals need to grease pockets with shiny toys.
 
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America offered Egypt in 2022 to obtain F-15 fighters Egypt stipulated American approval to obtain AIM-260 missiles
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Sorry my friend this is just another BS post, lots ow words, endlessly fantastic claims, as if all - China, the USA and Russia - are only eager to sell Egypt almost the best they have on offer! ... and again NO proof, just empty words!

Prove it that the US even thought about selling its latest and still secret AAM the AIM-260 to Egypt! That is total BS and you know it and even if they did not offer (what's most likely), to think Egypt would be in a position to demand getting it is so much pathetic as if an Indian would demand China should not sell its J-35A to Pakistan until the own AMCA is ready.

And finally, this all is OFF-Topic and irrelevant to the PAF and its own J-10C operations.

Even more so ...

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Did you know that Egypt's negotiations with China during the past three years are not only to obtain 1000 PL-15 missiles and not only to produce them locally, but also to develop a version with a longer range Used by the Egyptian Air Force.
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That's another lie! As if China would allow Egypt to do so or even as if Egypt could do it! To think Egypt would be able to develop a better more capable Pl-15 based on its own technology is pathetic! You are a liar!
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It is similar to the first 6 aircraft that Pakistan obtained from China. The difference is that the first Pakistani aircraft was the J-10B aircraft that Pakistan obtained from the Chinese Air Force and was developed into the J-10C.
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And again a lie, blatant BS and FAKE! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Pakistan NEVER got any J-10B - most likely you are not even capable to differ between a J-10B and a J-10C - and the J-10C was not developed on the J-10B but it was de facto a J-10B with more modern avionics (and an AESA) that wasn't ready when the first jets entered PLAAF service.

@arslank01 & @Musings can you please ban this idiot from spreading lies and BS?
 
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full of justification for basically complete inferior force in case of war with jews, egypt could have eased lot of its air force problems if only made strategic decision to go for JF17 as this plane decade ago and now it is more capable then all what they have in inventory but generals need to grease pockets with shiny toys.


Pakistan's leadership over the years has had many faults but credit where it is due, both Z Bhutto and Zia, despite heavy US opposition, carried on with the missile and nuke programme. we suffered for this with sanctions and aid cuts.

Sadat, Mubarak and Sisi just took the US money and accepted israel and sold away Egypt's sovreignty. Now we have their internet warriors to ashamed to admit this truth
 
Sudan is also considering buying J-10C.



Can we stop posting off-topic stuff - and Sudan as well as Egypt - is surely off-topic to the PAF'S J-10CE ops! If a post deems necessary, then why not in the relevant correct thread?

And even more so, can we try to stick to credible sources? And Bulgarian-BS is surely not one.
 
Can we stop posting off-topic stuff - and Sudan as well as Egypt - is surely off-topic to the PAF'S J-10CE ops! If a post deems necessary, then why not in the relevant correct thread?

And even more so, can we try to stick to credible sources? And Bulgarian-BS is surely not one.
Sorry. I have difficulty starting new PDF thread on my iPhone.
 
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Sorry. I have difficulty starting new PDF thread on my iPhone.
Sudan J-10CE thread already exists.
 
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