Why Secularism will Worsen Pakistan’s security situation

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A common misconception is that by secularising the country, religious extremist groups like TTP/ISKP will lose support, improving the security and economic situation of Pakistan.

The reality is, terrorism in Pakistan has no ideology; it is a result of genuine sentiments of vulnerable segments of society being exploited by malicious foreign actors to do their bidding (like destroying P3s and F-7s).

Removing Islam from Pakistan will not remove these sentiments, nor will such an undignified act of self hatred pacify the foreign hands behind the terrorists. (Rather, the world will laugh at you for surrendering your core ideology with such cowardice).

If Pakistan become secular, instead of facing a single religous terrorist group (TTP), the state would be fractured along the lines of its 60+ ethnicities, each with their own terrorist outfit. Imagine instead of just TTP, you have BLA, SRA on steroids?

As long as there is a largely illiterate and poor population constantly being exposed to hostile propaganda exemplified by genuine failures of governance, there will ALWAYS be a recruitment base for foreign controlled terrorist groups.

So what happens next?

The state would Balkanize along ethnic lines. Then the Indians would swoop in, dispose of their useful secular ethno-nationalist idiots, and embark on an Israel-style program of settler colonialism, just like they already are in the secularised occupied Kashmir valley. In the west, the militant Pashtuns and Baloch would be genocided Gaza-style and similarly replaced with Indian settler colonists. At best, the new ethnic states can hope to live as undignified slaves of India, like the Bangladeshis have for most of their history. (So much for the Sindhudeshis gaining freedom from UP-Bihari foreigners…)

There is no benefit to secularism - for Pakistan, it is as absurd an ideology as khwarji extremism is.

Instead, the state should strictly enforce moderate Islam, emphasizing the core principles of deen to ensure social harmony.
 
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Secularism doesn't mean you become an atheist, it just means seperating state from religion so there is no bias in governance. It can be done tastefully and enhance Pakistaniyat and bring everyone closer.

The aim is to become like Turkey, how Jinnah envisioned. I can already see the outline of it forming, just need to clear out the trouble makers and wait for the Pashtuns and Baloch to catch up in social development to the Punjabis and Sindhis.
 
Agreed, liberal secularism is toxic and will destroy a nations culture

What we need is Islam and Pakistaniyat

In the west overt secular liberalism has led to degeneracy, destruction of the family, community and people are now devoid of any values and morals and can't be saved because they have experienced too much
 
A common misconception is that by secularising the country, religious extremist groups like TTP/ISKP will lose support, improving the security and economic situation of Pakistan.

The reality is, terrorism in Pakistan has no ideology; it is a result of genuine sentiments of vulnerable segments of society being exploited by malicious foreign actors to do their bidding (like destroying P3s and F-7s).

Removing Islam from Pakistan will not remove these sentiments, nor will such an undignified act of self hatred pacify the foreign hands behind the terrorists. (Rather, the world will laugh at you for surrendering your core ideology with such cowardice).

If Pakistan become secular, instead of facing a single religous terrorist group (TTP), the state would be fractured along the lines of its 60+ ethnicities, each with their own terrorist outfit. Imagine instead of just TTP, you have BLA, SRA on steroids?

As long as there is a largely illiterate and poor population constantly being exposed to hostile propaganda exemplified by genuine failures of governance, there will ALWAYS be a recruitment base for foreign controlled terrorist groups.

So what happens next?

The state would Balkanize along ethnic lines. Then the Indians would swoop in, dispose of their useful secular ethno-nationalist idiots, and embark on an Israel-style program of settler colonialism, just like they already are in the secularised occupied Kashmir valley. In the west, the militant Pashtuns and Baloch would be genocided Gaza-style and similarly replaced with Indian settler colonists. At best, the new ethnic states can hope to live as undignified slaves of India, like the Bangladeshis have for most of their history. (So much for the Sindhudeshis gaining freedom from UP-Bihari foreigners…)

There is no benefit to secularism - for Pakistan, it is as absurd an ideology as khwarji extremism is.

Instead, the state should strictly enforce moderate Islam, emphasizing the core principles of deen to ensure social harmony.

Before you post highly divisive and inflammatory opinions - please familiarise yourself with the three concepts for managing personal beliefs:

1. Atheism - where the state bans and actively penalises people for religious beliefs e.g. China, North Korea

2. Theocracy - where the state promotes a particular belief system over others and might even punish alternative beliefs e.g. Iran, Israel

3. Secularism - where the state doesn’t promote, police or suppress religion.

It’s no surprise that religion is strong in secular and democratic countries. USA, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore etc being the classic example of this.
 
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As if religion has solved the groups - Balochistan is pretty much a lost cause - TTP is going to be even more ethnonationalist and all other sectarian fronts are active - but lets do ostrich and blame it on secularism or mangoes for that matter.
 
As if religion has solved the groups - Balochistan is pretty much a lost cause - TTP is going to be even more ethnonationalist and all other sectarian fronts are active - but lets do ostrich and blame it on secularism or mangoes for that matter.

Pakistan’s “terrorism” problem is to do with ethno-nationalism rather than religion.

Where theocratic tendencies has been corrosive are in the social and employment spheres. Result: low literacy and Labour participation amongst women.

Religion is not a uniting force - especially in Islam - that theory has been tested to destruction (literally).
 
Before you post highly divisive and inflammatory opinions - please familiarise yourself with the three concepts for managing personal beliefs:

1. Atheism - where the state bans and actively penalises people for religious beliefs e.g. China, North Korea

2. Theocracy - where the state promotes a particular belief system over others and might even punish alternative beliefs e.g. Iran, Israel

3. Secularism - where the state doesn’t promote, police or suppress religion.

It’s no surprise that religion is strong in secular and democratic countries. USA, South Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia and Singapore etc being the classic example of this.
Then China is a theocracy by ur standards since China allows hundreds of millions of buddhists, muslims and christians etc to do their thing as long as it does not interfere with the state
 
Then China is a theocracy by ur standards since China allows hundreds of millions of buddhists, muslims and christians etc to do their thing as long as it does not interfere with the state

Look up the definition of theocracy I gave.

Then edit your post!
 
A common misconception is that by secularising the country, religious extremist groups like TTP/ISKP will lose support, improving the security and economic situation of Pakistan.

The reality is, terrorism in Pakistan has no ideology; it is a result of genuine sentiments of vulnerable segments of society being exploited by malicious foreign actors to do their bidding (like destroying P3s and F-7s).

Removing Islam from Pakistan will not remove these sentiments, nor will such an undignified act of self hatred pacify the foreign hands behind the terrorists. (Rather, the world will laugh at you for surrendering your core ideology with such cowardice).

If Pakistan become secular, instead of facing a single religous terrorist group (TTP), the state would be fractured along the lines of its 60+ ethnicities, each with their own terrorist outfit. Imagine instead of just TTP, you have BLA, SRA on steroids?

As long as there is a largely illiterate and poor population constantly being exposed to hostile propaganda exemplified by genuine failures of governance, there will ALWAYS be a recruitment base for foreign controlled terrorist groups.

So what happens next?

The state would Balkanize along ethnic lines. Then the Indians would swoop in, dispose of their useful secular ethno-nationalist idiots, and embark on an Israel-style program of settler colonialism, just like they already are in the secularised occupied Kashmir valley. In the west, the militant Pashtuns and Baloch would be genocided Gaza-style and similarly replaced with Indian settler colonists. At best, the new ethnic states can hope to live as undignified slaves of India, like the Bangladeshis have for most of their history. (So much for the Sindhudeshis gaining freedom from UP-Bihari foreigners…)

There is no benefit to secularism - for Pakistan, it is as absurd an ideology as khwarji extremism is.

Instead, the state should strictly enforce moderate Islam, emphasizing the core principles of deen to ensure social harmony.
This is absolutely amazing however alot of short sighted or defeatist people who only look to others for success and validation would have anything against it.
 
The issue Pakistan faces is not rocket science. You have Pashtun separatism and Baloch separatism. These aren't actually religious in nature but ethnic, the fundamental problem is ethnicity.

On top of this, you guys want to double down on the exact same strategy which destroyed your entire country. You radicalised your entire society, you destroyed its entire fabric, creates masses of zombies, and you don't even have a proper sense of identity.

Ironically you guys are unable to see the level of damage it has done. This exact reliance on religion to somehow mould your country created TLP masses, Taliban sympathisers, mullahs, and extremists. And it also created an entire generation with no sense of identity apart from 'muh muslim ummah' ridden with an inferiority complex. They have zero understanding of geopolitics and in fact they consider nationalism or basic logic to literally be the greatest evil or fitnah.

Pakistan is actually the perfect example proving why Turkey's Ataturk was completely correct.
 
The issue Pakistan faces is not rocket science. You have Pashtun separatism and Baloch separatism. These aren't actually religious in nature but ethnic, the fundamental problem is ethnicity.

On top of this, you guys want to double down on the exact same strategy which destroyed your entire country. You radicalised your entire society, you destroyed its entire fabric, creates masses of zombies, and you don't even have a proper sense of identity.

Ironically you guys are unable to see the level of damage it has done. This exact reliance on religion to somehow mould your country created TLP masses, Taliban sympathisers, mullahs, and extremists. And it also created an entire generation with no sense of identity apart from 'muh muslim ummah' ridden with an inferiority complex. They have zero understanding of geopolitics and in fact they consider nationalism or basic logic to literally be the greatest evil or fitnah.

Pakistan is actually the perfect example proving why Turkey's Ataturk was completely correct.

Attaturks turkey????

Attaturks turkey, attacked it's own faith, values, history and culture to subvert it's own culture, faith and values to bow to Europeans

That is not Pakistan or Pakistani

Pakistan has a unique history and culture, the people's on these lands go back thousands of years, Pakistan was made through the prism of our religion

Abandoning either our religious identity, cultural identity or national identity is not something that we should consider or something that is tolerable
 
Attaturks turkey????

Attaturks turkey, attacked it's own faith, values, history and culture to subvert it's own culture, faith and values to bow to Europeans

That is not Pakistan or Pakistani

Pakistan has a unique history and culture, the people's on these lands go back thousands of years, Pakistan was made through the prism of our religion

Abandoning either our religious identity, cultural identity or national identity is not something that we should consider or something that is tolerable
No it didn't, it strengthened it, Islam is still alive and commonly practiced there. They removed jahil extremist elements that were holding it back and that's why Turkey is the only non-oil Muslim nation with a $10k+ GDP per capita, industry and technology

People in this thread think that calling out Pakistan's manipulation of Islam is an anti-religion stance, but if they knew the extent of the damage it had on society in large parts back home they'd agree. It has destroyed their sense of identity, it has destroyed their rationality, and they are zombies, the masses literally see national interests as a 'fitnah', they see geopolitics as a 'fitnah', they've been cucked to do 'we ij all sem' with everyone.
 
No it didn't, it strengthened it, Islam is still alive and commonly practiced there. They removed jahil extremist elements that were holding it back and that's why Turkey is the only non-oil Muslim nation with a $10k+ GDP per capita, industry and technology

Islam didn't survive in Turkey because of attaturk, that harami is burning in hell

Islam survived in spite of him

They banned the azan, they attacked Muslim women and the hijab, they attacked their own history and literature and changed it to a European script


Some things are just not worth it regardless of GDP
 
Islam didn't survive in Turkey because of attaturk, that harami is burning in hell

Islam survived in spite of him

They banned the azan, they attacked Muslim women and the hijab, they attacked their own history and literature and changed it to a European script


Some things are just not worth it regardless of GDP
Ataturk literally built mosques and he didn't ban the azan he changed the language it was in, although that was more motivated by his anti-Arab stance because of the betrayal they felt
 
Ataturk literally built mosques and he didn't ban the azan he changed the language it was in, although that was more motivated by his anti-Arab stance because of the betrayal they felt

Let's stop with the historical reimagining, we all know what he did

It took decades for some rebalancing to come back to Turkey, where a Muslim women could simply go to school or university and not be targeted y the secular extremists

Regardless of wealth or GDP their should be religious and cultural red lines for any peoples

Pakistan needs to work out it's problems, but not be willing to lose it's religious or cultural identity into the process
 

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