Attack on Jaffer Express

[r3alist]

You can still smash the Taliban and seal the borders with more forts and walls. Controlled areas. Let them hide in their mountains and their valleys.

Until you have to do it again

Open hostility just gives them something to do, it's a unique mentality outside the norms of usual conflict

Plus they are smarter and more savvy than ever

More weapons

Left by the usa

I keep saying there is no playbook to urbanise and govern these guys, unless you are much much more powerful

They have resisted it forever

 

[Justin TruDont]

Our problem with India Is long term, India is going down a Hindu extremist path and the whole point of partition was so Muslim states like Kashmir and the Indian Muslim population not be subjected to that type of state or rule

So the more it goes down the hindutva path the more important freedom for Kashmir becomes and the more important that Indian Muslims have a way to separate or get away from such type of governance

Make an offer to India
Say that Pakistan is willing to take 30 crore Indian Muslims with them along with Kashmir Valley

Their might be some within BJP who might agree to such a deal.

But I am pretty sure 29 crore out of 30 crore Indian Muslims will refuse to go to Pakistan.

Aakhir kisne mulk chor Kar Aate ki line mein lagna hai

 

[SoulSpokesman]

Strangely the body of the report has no mention of India. Did I miss something?

Regards

 

[r3alist]

I did not post sooner on this tragic incident I’m still in shock trying to take in what’s occurred

My deepest Condolences to families of the fallen إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

The fallout from the US withdrawal in Afghanistan underscores we Pakistanis lack of long-time of not careful planning as many scary possibilities after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan and Taliban selling the American military equipment from light arms to other stuff to terrorists group! Afghanistan is now became a hub for anti Pakistani terrorists groups. Pakistan should have destroyed as many of these American arm dumps left behind and its shocking Pakistani intelligence failed in following in Taliban and see what happens to these weapons. After every tragic incident we are regularly recovering on dead terrorists American ray of frontline battle military gear.Someone needs to be held accountable in Pakistan for not planning for the worst after Americans left who would that be ???

The weapons drop was intentional, it's not realistic to take them out, it could upset the Americans and was sudden


Pakistan is learning for the first time what Afghanistan governed by Afghans is like

Everyone forgets this


They only know the resistance fighter to foreign occupation version of Afghan

It's actually new territory, much of it is predictable how they might behave you might argue

But it's a different sort of interaction , they are learning to govern too, mixing the tribal with the state

It's also subject to foreign interference, high stakes

This is very new territory and a different version of the same problem

 

[r3alist]

Strangely the body of the report has no mention of India. Did I miss something?

Regards

I noticed this too

 

[RescueRanger]

The weapons drop was intentional, it's not realistic to take them out, it could upset the Americans and was sudden


Pakistan is learning for the first time what Afghanistan governed by Afghans is like

Everyone forgets this


They only know the resistance fighter to foreign occupation version of Afghan

It's actually new territory, much of it is predictable how they might behave you might argue

But it's a different sort of interaction , they are learning to govern too, mixing the tribal with the state

It's also subject to foreign interference, high stakes

This is very new territory and a different version of the same problem

But, but... Strategic depth!

Great post btw.

 

[RescueRanger]

As we already have a 60 page thread on the incident. Let's discuss things there. Thread is closed.

 

[شَاھِین شَاہِ لَولَاک]

There is nothing wrong with being secular, liberal or feminist. The strongest countries in the world have those values !!!! Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, large muslim countries that have those values and are much stronger than Pakistan. More religion is not the answer, it has never been the answer, and never will be the answer. If you go down the road of more religion, you end up being Afghanistan.

Corruption is the core problem, and that can only be fixed by having a 'real rule of law', and not the rot that we can see in the SC that we see now. Real democracy, rule of law and accountability, meritocracy, finding the smartest person for the job regardless of gender, they are the pixie dust of success..

and according to you turkey malaysia indonesia are super powers i guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

and according to you turkey malaysia indonesia are super powers i guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can they be compared with Pakistan?
specially when our people literally go there to earn a living?

 

[Great Mal]

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Our state needs some honest waking up to do.

They managed to single & maim armed forces personnel, 21 to be exact, yet we deem this as a successful operation.

It was a failure from the minute they were allowed to intercept the train.

Lets how some people justify this cold murder of trained personnel who don't come by cheap.

 

[RescueRanger]

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Our state needs some honest waking up to do.

They managed to single & mame armed forces personnel, 21 to be exact, yet we deem this as a successful operation.

It was a failure from the minute they were allowed to intercept the train.

Lets how some people justify this cold murder of trained personnel who don't come by cheap.

It was a successful operation. By the grace of Allah.

 

[Great Mal]

It was a successful operation. By the grace of Allah.

Losing 21 trained men with 19 injured & 3-4 missing isn't successful.

This churan has to stop, this same attack in neighbouring India would be a national crisis.

 

[RescueRanger]

Losing 21 trained men with 19 injured & 3-4 missing isn't successful.

This churan has to stop, this same attack in neighbouring India would be a national crisis.

Until I hear from a government body, I will accept the official figures released.

Secondly, please dont dismiss the operation as some simple policing operation.

I am proud of our Army and Security forces for rescuing innocent civilians and returning them to their loved ones.

 

[Goenitz]

Losing 21 trained men with 19 injured & 3-4 missing isn't successful.

This churan has to stop, this same attack in neighbouring India would be a national crisis.

They were hostages, I guess. However, I still don't believe the official sources until independent journalists visit there or survivors are to speak.

 

[Great Mal]

Until I hear from a government body, I will accept the official figures released.

Secondly, please dont dismiss the operation as some simple policing operation.

I am proud of our Army and Security forces for rescuing innocent civilians and returning them to their loved ones.

You're whitewashing the incident anyways am out enjoy your successful operation.

Allah aapko aisay successful mahinay mein aik baar zarur dein.

Continue the success