Attack on Jaffer Express
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PakAl
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Rana Sanullah mentioned the government and Interior ministry is not presense in Balochistan whilst DGISPR claims the security is under the control of the local government. Najim Sethi claims Balochistan and it's security is under the control of the establishment, ISI, FC. Someone in charge made major blunders but as usual not accepting it. Now want the country to unite and use force. If BLA can operate from Afghanistan, cross the border and attack deep inside Pakistan then why cant our intelligence agencies do the same. Locate all leadership, camps and assassinate them, no need to make announcements, just do the job. No need to invade Afghanistan or use airstrikes which will kill innocent people and make Afghanistan in to an enemy state.
AZ_HighCountry
INT'L MOD
So what's missing then? The Pak equivalent of Stalin?
PakAl
Elite Member
Afghanistan denies link to train attack in Pakistan
Pakistani military had said Tuesday's attack was planned and orchestrated from Afghan soil
www.voanews.com
Raj-Hindustani
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First and foremost, this is undoubtedly a deeply tragic incident and a cowardly terrorist attack. Killing innocent people can never be justified, regardless of the cause or reason behind it.
Secondly, I am seriously disappointed with the South Asian mindset, where false claims and blame games take precedence over acknowledging mistakes and working towards real solutions. Instead of taking responsibility, nations often look for external scapegoats.
Take the Balochistan-Pakistan conflict as an example. This issue did not begin in 2014 (after the MODI goverment)—it has existed since Pakistan’s creation. Armed struggles in Balochistan have been ongoing since the beginning, yet Pakistan refuses to address the root causes and instead blames foreign interference.
From supporting narrative from "Good Taliban" to the "Bad Taliban", taking U-turns, and killing the same armed people who were trained by pakistam itself against the Soviet under U.S. pressure, Pakistan has made every strategic mistake possible. And yet, every time, its government and media shift the blame onto India or other foreign nations instead of holding themselves accountable.
Pakistan has also failed to learn from India's approach. For example, India never eliminated separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, despite his strong stance on Kashmir. Instead, he was given security protection to prevent unrest in Kashmir. In contrast, Pakistan assassinated Akbar Bugti, a highly respected Baloch leader, fueling more resentment in Balochistan.
Pakistan’s government and media are free to blame India, but the core issues within Pakistan remain unresolved. Meanwhile, India has learned that the best way to resolve internal conflicts is through development and employment opportunities (Still work in progress).
For instance, in the last 10 years, India has established 42 new institutions in kashmir, including:
8 Central Universities
7 IITs
8 IIMs
2 IISERs & IISC
1 NIT & IIEST
16 IIITs
Additionally, there has been massive investment in Kashmir’s infrastructure, including roads, electricity, and economic development.
I firmly believe that economic growth and development are the real solutions to internal conflicts. International politics will always involve blame games, but unless a country addresses the core issues, nothing will change. False blaming others is easy, but real progress requires action.
Secondly, I am seriously disappointed with the South Asian mindset, where false claims and blame games take precedence over acknowledging mistakes and working towards real solutions. Instead of taking responsibility, nations often look for external scapegoats.
Take the Balochistan-Pakistan conflict as an example. This issue did not begin in 2014 (after the MODI goverment)—it has existed since Pakistan’s creation. Armed struggles in Balochistan have been ongoing since the beginning, yet Pakistan refuses to address the root causes and instead blames foreign interference.
From supporting narrative from "Good Taliban" to the "Bad Taliban", taking U-turns, and killing the same armed people who were trained by pakistam itself against the Soviet under U.S. pressure, Pakistan has made every strategic mistake possible. And yet, every time, its government and media shift the blame onto India or other foreign nations instead of holding themselves accountable.
Pakistan has also failed to learn from India's approach. For example, India never eliminated separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, despite his strong stance on Kashmir. Instead, he was given security protection to prevent unrest in Kashmir. In contrast, Pakistan assassinated Akbar Bugti, a highly respected Baloch leader, fueling more resentment in Balochistan.
Pakistan’s government and media are free to blame India, but the core issues within Pakistan remain unresolved. Meanwhile, India has learned that the best way to resolve internal conflicts is through development and employment opportunities (Still work in progress).
For instance, in the last 10 years, India has established 42 new institutions in kashmir, including:
8 Central Universities
7 IITs
8 IIMs
2 IISERs & IISC
1 NIT & IIEST
16 IIITs
Additionally, there has been massive investment in Kashmir’s infrastructure, including roads, electricity, and economic development.
I firmly believe that economic growth and development are the real solutions to internal conflicts. International politics will always involve blame games, but unless a country addresses the core issues, nothing will change. False blaming others is easy, but real progress requires action.
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PakAl
Elite Member
If we take out the Indian angle and concentrate on Balochistan development, education etc, we will realise nearly 4000 schools are closed, 6000 teachers do not attend schools, 16000 teachers are needed. Our politicians are making big statements in 2025 that they will open schools but where have they been for the past decades?. Educated, sensible people can easily identify the bigger issues facing this province.
Balochistan to revive 2,975 closed schools | The Express Tribune
Balochistan to revive 2,975 closed schools
tribune.com.pk
3,694 schools are non-functional in Balochistan
QUETTA: During the current government’s tenure, additionally 542 schools have been closed in Balochistan. In May of this year, the number of non-functional schools was 3,152, which has now...
www.thenews.com.pk
Raj-Hindustani
Elite Member
If we take out the Indian angle and concentrate on Balochistan development, education etc, we will realise nearly 4000 schools are closed, 6000 teachers do not attend schools, 16000 teachers are needed. Our politicians are making big statements in 2025 that they will open schools but where have they been for the past decades?. Educated, sensible people can easily identify the bigger issues facing this province.
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Balochistan to revive 2,975 closed schools | The Express Tribune
Balochistan to revive 2,975 closed schools
3,694 schools are non-functional in Balochistan
QUETTA: During the current government’s tenure, additionally 542 schools have been closed in Balochistan. In May of this year, the number of non-functional schools was 3,152, which has now...
I understand it in a very simple way—convincing an educated person to kill someone or sacrifice themselves in the name of religion or any cause is difficult. An educated individual would seek practical solutions and explore better alternatives to address the issue.
However, for the uneducated, it is much easier to manipulate and brainwash them into committing violence, including suicide attacks, under the guise of religion or any cause.
At the end of the day, what does a normal person truly want?
To live peacefully
To protect their family
To work for their family’s growth and a better life
Such issues cannot be resolved at gunpoint. If you can provide a common person with the three essentials—peace, security for their family, and opportunities for a better life—the issue will naturally resolve itself. Everything else becomes less significant in comparison.
PakAl
Elite Member
Its not just education, it's development, progress, better life and future, fulfilling basic needs, security, Healthcare. Alot of Baloch rebels are educated but still get brainwashed, they are like Maoist rebels who want more control of resources, protection of their culture and language (as propagated).
Vikramaditya1
Trusted Member
Luck has nothing to do with this. Maoists and Naxalites use the 303. or insas because we have strict gun control laws and it's very hard for the public to get hands on even a regular revolver let alone semi automatic or automatic guns. They have to either steal or loot police armoury at great risk.
Poverty among villagers and big land owners were another reason for Mao-Naxal issue. When these two got largely eliminated so did Mao Naxal. Now they are almost non existent in mainland India.
If TTP or BLA were to start running in India, they will have to fight with swords or country made guns or bombs which are known to backfire. So maybe enforce strict gun laws.
Cipher212
Registered Member
Interviews confirm that within the first hour of the attack, BLA came what they did to do and then left with hostages, leaving behind 6-7 fighters to carry out the massacre. None of them seem to be carrying suicide vests either as earlier reported.
So far, we've seen confirmation that these fighters are indeed dead. Can be found easily on Twitter. Where are the other BLA we killed then? And where were they engaged?
So far, we've seen confirmation that these fighters are indeed dead. Can be found easily on Twitter. Where are the other BLA we killed then? And where were they engaged?
Aliso5
Registered Member
Unlike kashmiris other indian rebels these Socialist BLA,TTP don't like to get education. They even oppose development. Roads and dam construction. Also they have deep tribal nature. Where they produce a lot of babies which keep fighting the state.
Cool_Soldier
Registered Member
No doubt panic situation for nation. Situation despite efforts is not being resolved but escalating. We need a comprehensive dialogue among political parties and concerned extremists elements . Leadership has to play it leading role to save the nation.
arjunk
Trusted Member
Kashmiri rebels are highly educated, like Riyaz Naikoo. India tried secularising the kids of the valley with drugs and porn, but now the resistance is ethnic-based instead of religious, with Hindus and Sikhs joining its ranks in increasing numbers.
That’s why Indians resorted to settler colonialism.
The fact is there is a far smaller and easier flat terrain in the valley, and the smaller local population was disarmed since Dogra era. Indian military uses far more numbers and brute force than Pakistan.
Unless you want to subjugate balochistan like a foreign state, the Indian doctrine is not an option - especially considering just 30% of Baloch want separation while 90% of Kashmiris want separation from India, and that latter number Continues to increase
Raj-Hindustani
Elite Member
I am sorry but not agreed.
Most people want better lives, and you can't generalize an entire community. Only a small minority are lazy and expect everything to come easily and they are in every society and community.
It's the government's responsibility to educate people. They must facilitate and promote education, making sure communities understand its benefits. In today's world, education is essential for a better life.
The claim that Baloch people don't want education is false propaganda.
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Dalit
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Afghanistan denies link to train attack in Pakistan
Pakistani military had said Tuesday's attack was planned and orchestrated from Afghan soil
This is the game that will be played now. Every time an attack takes place there will be denial and the Pakistani leaders will be left scratching their heads. What do we do now?
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