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[Aziqbal]

This is correct. The crux of deterrence was Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of Katyushas, which had enough ballistic missiles to deal damage to Israel. Axis of Resistance incompetence led to them being crushed on the battlefied. Once Syria was lost, the Axis ceased to exist. It's now just leftovers being cleaned up. The easiest victory Israel has had in history was their 4 day decimation of Hezbollah. With Syria gone, they are finished. There are videos everywhere of takfiri beheadings of Hezbollah members, Israelis standing adopt rotten bodies of Hezbollah fighters with faces askew in last-minute-of-life horror. Leadership matters, human capital in the form of expertise matters. This is why Soleimani was taken out- the beginning of the end for Iran. All those decades of building up this militia, hyping them up as some vaunted force after the disastrous near loss of 2006 as if it was a victory, all of this for them to be reduced to human wreckage in 4 days.

Iran's missiles can be used in the way you and others have mentioned in an all-out war, but the role of Hezbollah and the others was to prevent a war on Iranian soil. This strategy has been proved as an abject failure.

I always stated that Hezbollah and Hamas should have co-ordinated a synchronised attack against Israel

Hezbollah could have taken the Northern Galilee and I think the casualties on Israelis side would be like 5,000+

Hezbollah had a huge arsenal of weapons + a very enthusiastic fighting force they could have seriously lead to the collapse of Israel

had Houthis and Iraqi resistance also joined the results could been better

its sad just very sad

 

[Persian Gulf]

I always stated that Hezbollah and Hamas should have co-ordinated a synchronised attack against Israel

Hezbollah could have taken the Northern Galilee and I think the casualties on Israelis side would be like 5,000+

Hezbollah had a huge arsenal of weapons + a very enthusiastic fighting force they could have seriously lead to the collapse of Israel

had Houthis and Iraqi resistance also joined the results could been better

its sad just very sad

problem is Hamas launched its sudden attack without informing anyone to avoid risk of leaks

so others were forced into sub optimal actions with catastrophic results

 

[KHORSHIDSIYAH1488]

I always stated that Hezbollah and Hamas should have co-ordinated a synchronised attack against Israel

Hezbollah could have taken the Northern Galilee and I think the casualties on Israelis side would be like 5,000+

Hezbollah had a huge arsenal of weapons + a very enthusiastic fighting force they could have seriously lead to the collapse of Israel

had Houthis and Iraqi resistance also joined the results could been better

its sad just very sad

Yes, this was avoided by Iranian government not because they are cowards or whatever. But because they are unconsciously guided by the masochism of Imam Hussein. They aspire to live out this ideal, the slaughter at Karbala is an ideal for them. Most people think about life and living and prospering, but this cult-minded ideology lives for the afterlife and dying in the most lopsided fashion possible.

Hezbollah could have severely depleted Israel if Iran decided to rush all fronts at once, especially as Israel was reeling in the first month. They didn't, because they are ultimately masochists.

 

[Aziqbal]

Yes, this was avoided by Iranian government not because they are cowards or whatever. But because they are unconsciously guided by the masochism of Imam Hussein. They aspire to live out this ideal, the slaughter at Karbala is an ideal for them. Most people think about life and living and prospering, but this cult-minded ideology lives for the afterlife and dying in the most lopsided fashion possible.

Hezbollah could have severely depleted Israel if Iran decided to rush all fronts at once, especially as Israel was reeling in the first month. They didn't, because they are ultimately masochists.

I think that was a bit critical but yes if Iran was able to conduct True Promise 1 and 2 style strikes during and in the immediate aftermath of the Hezbollah-Hamas coordinated attack it would have certainly put Israel on the back foot

and these cowards Arabs would probably also join in seeing Israel wounded

 

[Persian Gulf]

unveiling of recent missile base showed a large number of Haj Qasem MRBMs

IRGC has preferred its Kheibar Shekan (built by IRGC) to the Haj Qasem (built by MODAFL) but now it seems they are buying large quantities of everything to increase their missile inventories as much as possible

 

[Mehdipersian]

If i remember 300 is the number given by general McKenzie back in 2019

McKenzie said 3000 balletic missiles

 

[Persian Gulf]

McKenzie said 3000 balletic missiles

in 2022, only 3 years ago, McKenzie said:

“They have over 3,000 missiles of various types, some of which can reach Tel Aviv,” McKenzie said in response to a query by the senate committee. “None of them can reach Europe yet.”

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3,000 missiles of all ranges, with only "some" being MRBMs.

 

[Tijani]

I present images and proof for all my claims and inferences. I welcome you to do the same

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According the moderator it was similar weight of warhead involved. At least the Yankees were, for whatever reasons, relatively honest enough to admit the destructive power of a thousand pound warhead.

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This is from the exercise on the simulated attack on Dimona. I have to figures on the warhead yields but my assumption is that it's around a thousand pounds, approximately 500 kg.
For reference just look at the destruction achieved in this two videos. Compare this to the amount of destruction from the satellite imagery you've provided.
The rational conclusion concerning our differing viewpoints is that either the satellite imagery is not factual or the missiles used lacked comparable warheads as in the videos I've provided.

 

[Tijani]

in 2022, only 3 years ago, McKenzie said:

“They have over 3,000 missiles of various types, some of which can reach Tel Aviv,” McKenzie said in response to a query by the senate committee. “None of them can reach Europe yet.”

--

3,000 missiles of all ranges, with only "some" being MRBMs.

The American military has intentionally been lying to the lesser players of the US political establishment. It's all political theater for the masses.
Senior officials are privy to more reliable information.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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This is from the exercise on the simulated attack on Dimona. I have to figures on the warhead yields but my assumption is that it's around a thousand pounds, approximately 500 kg.
For reference just look at the destruction achieved in this two videos. Compare this to the amount of destruction from the satellite imagery you've provided.
The rational conclusion concerning our differing viewpoints is that either the satellite imagery is not factual or the missiles used lacked comparable warheads as in the videos I've provided.

you show me video of SRBMs in Iraq (with no ABM defences) and use of SRBM-MRBM at 800-1000km range in a carefully choreographed internal drill (Dezful and Zolfaqar, not the missiles used against Israel)

and you use this as evidence for war time use of MRBMs at 1500km range against dense ABM shield

seriously

 

[Tijani]

you show me video of SRBMs in Iraq (with no ABM defences) and use of SRBM-MRBM at 800-1000km range in a carefully choreographed internal drill (Dezful and Zolfaqar, not the missiles used against Israel)

and you use this as evidence for war time use of MRBMs at 1500km range against dense ABM shield

seriously

You misunderstand. My post and videos provided was to underpin my argument concerning Iranian missiles destructive power depending on similar warhead weights.
Range, typ and ABM are irrelevant to that comparison.
I argue that you're viewpoint on the matter couldn't be factual because I believe that the satellite imagery you provided isn't reliable for obvious reasons because I know that 500 kg high explosive warhead yields much greater destructive power than what is shown on the information you've provided. You explained this my believing the narrative provided by western satellite companies and assuming that Iranian missiles are insufficient and prone to fault.
Your assessment only holds water by you not questioning the validity of your sources.
This nothing to "sigh" about nor condescend. I believe I have argued my case rationally and logically without resorting to the same emotional response.

 

[ToddE]

Haj Qasem's sudden mass inclusion points towards something interesting. Sometime ago if people remember, there was an IRGC missile excersize in which these missiles malfunctioned in the boost phase and rumor had it that faulty electronics were found, probably an enemy intelligence operation. The boost phase malfunctions are common but the way those missiles deviated from their path seemed fishy. After that this missile totally vanished only to re-surface as a mass inducted missile recently. Entirely possible that IRGC re-worked the processing unit of the missile and now its as reliable as Kheybar Shikan or Fattah.

 

[Nuffle]

unveiling of recent missile base showed a large number of Haj Qasem MRBMs

IRGC has preferred its Kheibar Shekan (built by IRGC) to the Haj Qasem (built by MODAFL) but now it seems they are buying large quantities of everything to increase their missile inventories as much as possible

This is a prudent approach, whether taking into account the lessons learned from TP I/II or concluding that increasing reserves is the initial step in preparing for an eventual unlimited exchange of missiles between the Americans and Israel.

 

[Nuffle]

in 2022, only 3 years ago, McKenzie said:

“They have over 3,000 missiles of various types, some of which can reach Tel Aviv,” McKenzie said in response to a query by the senate committee. “None of them can reach Europe yet.”

--

3,000 missiles of all ranges, with only "some" being MRBMs.

An interesting re-reading of some claims about Iran's missile stockpile:

The Looming Threat of a Nuclear Crisis with Iran

The Biden Administration faces a potential confrontation with a longtime rival that is better armed and more hard-line than at any time in its modern history.

web.archive.org

 

[wudangmaster]

Haj Qasem's sudden mass inclusion points towards something interesting. Sometime ago if people remember, there was an IRGC missile excersize in which these missiles malfunctioned in the boost phase and rumor had it that faulty electronics were found, probably an enemy intelligence operation. The boost phase malfunctions are common but the way those missiles deviated from their path seemed fishy. After that this missile totally vanished only to re-surface as a mass inducted missile recently. Entirely possible that IRGC re-worked the processing unit of the missile and now its as reliable as Kheybar Shikan or Fattah.

There was also the matter of the compromised connectors from Russia that could have been sourced in the country instead. I don't think these two were related though.