Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Meengla]

I say F IK and PTI. Now is the time to close ranks and not back down down. The Military needs our everyone's support to face the external pressure as one. Hope the pro-IK long time commenters here understand the game plan the enemies of Pakistan has put in place. They used the PTI crowd as an internal pressure to undermine Pakistan and for once I think the Army is actually the sole protector of our country and people. I was a staunch IK fan until this incident.

Welcome to sanity! May your kind grows on PDF and elsewhere!

 

[hembo]

IMO, suspension of IWT is nothing but a hog wash to placate Indian awam. Without having a solid plan to divert the water to somewhere else, GoI, by mere declaration, cannot stop the water from flowing downstream. Such is the nature of water. Even constructing additional dams also can prevent the water flow for a while only, I.e., till these new reservoirs get full. After that the water will keep flowing downstream.

 

[r3alist]

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[Distant_Observer]

The whole of India is acting like GD Bakshi lately. Such warmongers and haters.

Bruised ego. They recently lost Bangladesh and US humiliated them by sending their people back in chains.

They were getting by with psychotic pleasure from paying afghans to murder Pakistanis and Punjabis in balochistan.

 

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[Meengla]

The timing of the attack seem to derail the new investment opportunity which might arise post Trump tariff era and could impact our economy very negatively. This will benefit china the most.

As I said above: CIA's huge budget is not to just eat apple pies.
Questions to Indians: Who benefits from the latest strife in Kashmir? Certainly not Pakistan!! Pakistan is starting to turn a corner where the political situation is stabilizing and the economy is also slighting better. Pakistan's indicators, minus the violence in Pakistan's western regions, are getting better.
But I don't think India is going to benefit either from an escalation with Pakistan. Forget nukes, even a conventional war against Pakistan is unwinnable and vice versa unless 'victory' is defined as one side takes other's Kashmir AND is able to fortify and hold onto that, which is a toll order. Israel, with all the backing of America, is unable to subdue tiny Gaza, as an example.
Watch for what the Americans are going to say and do. Maybe J D Vance will convince Indians to buy a huge number of F-35 after this! Cha Ching!

 

[Kermit]

JD Vance poses in front of the Taj Mahal with wife Usha and their three children after red carpet tour of India is rocked by tourist massacre​

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US Vice President JD Vance (C), his wife Usha Vance, daughter Mirabel and sons Vivek (L) and Ewan pose during their tour at the Taj Mahal in Agra on April 23, 2025​

JD Vance poses in front of the Taj Mahal during India tour

Vance has been trying to shore up relations with India after Donald Trump criticised India's tariffs on cars, farm goods and other products.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ak01]

so now it all comes out.

the IWT has long been a thorn in the side of Modi, a false flag to be able to revoke it makes perfect sense.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Whatever your opinion on the treaty, it was a water treaty that was in force for decades and has abruptly ended just
..like that


As of now there is no link to Pakistan....it's basically we just want to blame Pakistan and punish Pakistan via a water treaty

It does therefore invite the option for military retaliation....

Does china get involved?

By provocation, I meant it could be India doing it now as a response to this Pahalgam massacre.

Pak will stick to it's 'non state actors' line, now they're saying its an Indian homegrown "rebel/separatist/terrorist/whatchacallems" issue.

We don't know yet, but the Pak fauj did need a distraction from all the mounting discontent with them by their own awam, this takes the heat off them and gets you lot all rallying behind them once again.

India do have solid ground for 'reasonable suspicion', the Pakistan Army is an 'entity of interest'

I'm hoping they don't resort to any sort of knee-jerk military retaliation, our guys.

Plenty of options now to exploit and make lemonade from this most tragic event, if you can distance yourself from the emotion of it all. No need for eye for an eye when we can put the squeeze on diplomatically and slowly drain the life force out of the Pak fauj.

Have their popularity numbers seen a sudden burst with this yet ? Likely not, but any ill thought out response from India at this delicate stage might just. Pak awam still don;t like em much, we shouldn't do anything to change that and have you lot galvanizing around them.

As Trump would say, there's still a big beautiful fracture and no love lost between many in Pak and their fauj.

Keep it that way while we plan, take the sympathy from the world, demonize Pak fauj further..

in short: no sudden moves, tricky pitch now. We have our whole La Dinastia lefty brigade full in lock step with random Pakistani trolls who will chide Modi about how he's weak etc.. Modi, I'm hoping is too smart to bite.

Lets see, but.. interesting times, eh ?

 

[5thgenEnjoyer]

Well what is China's calculati on?we don't know


are India confident about Pakistans nukes?

Firstly, it will take India up to a decade to produce enough infrastructure to properly affect the flow of the Indus and its Tributaries. In this time, the Chinese could do exactly the same given the precedent that India would set, putting the Ganges and Brahmaputra at risk and effectively countering them in that regard....

For now, the suspension of the IWT won't have many real consequences

 

[the vicious kind]

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The Indus Water Treaty is brokered by the World Bank and rattified by the UN. Unilaterally walking away would destroy India’s international image. IWT doesn’t have a specific exit clause and your will probably lose the case in hague.

More dangerously, it will give China a potential justification to block or divert Brahmaputra waters flowing from Tibet to India. That’s a strategic backfire.

On top of that, it will push an entire country towards the wall and force the entire subcontinent to the brink of nuclear escalation. A subcontinent where India is surrounded by enemies onall fronts . You guys just played yo self !

 

[Distant_Observer]

By provocation, I meant it could be India doing it now as a response to this Pahalgam massacre.

Pak will stick to it's 'non state actors' line, now they're saying its an Indian homegrown "rebel/separatist/terrorist/whatchacallems" issue.

We don't know yet, but the Pak fauj did need a distraction from all the mounting discontent with them by their own awam, this takes the heat off them and gets you lot all rallying behind them once again.

India do have solid ground for 'reasonable suspicion', the Pakistan Army is an 'entity of interest'

I'm hoping they don't resort to any sort of knee-jerk military retaliation, our guys.

Plenty of options now to exploit and make lemonade from this most tragic event, if you can distance yourself from the emotion of it all. No need for eye for an eye when we can put the squeeze on diplomatically and slowly drain the life force out of the Pak fauj.

Have their popularity numbers seen a sudden burst with this yet ? Likely not, but any ill thought out response from India at this delicate stage might just. Pak awam still don;t like em much, we shouldn't do anything to change that and have you lot galvanizing around them.

As Trump would say, there's still a big beautiful fracture and no love lost between many in Pak and their fauj.

Keep it that way while we plan, take the sympathy from the world, demonize Pak fauj further..

in short: no sudden moves, tricky pitch now. We have our whole La Dinastia lefty brigade full in lock step with random Pakistani trolls who will chide Modi about how he's weak etc.. Modi, I'm hoping is too smart to bite.

Lets see, but.. interesting times, eh ?

Trump has decimated the markets with his tarrifs. His approval rating is at an all time low. He is desperate to show he is a money maker.

Do you think he wants conflict in the subcontinent to rock the markets again?

He will do a deal with Iran because he knows they will bomb all the mid east oil fields and send the oil price rocketing up and will crash majority of the western markets.

I doubt very much Pakistan is involved in this. Seems like a domestic issue, murders happen all around the world.

 

[Jango007]

By provocation, I meant it could be India doing it now as a response to this Pahalgam massacre.

Pak will stick to it's 'non state actors' line, now they're saying its an Indian homegrown "rebel/separatist/terrorist/whatchacallems" issue.

We don't know yet, but the Pak fauj did need a distraction from all the mounting discontent with them by their own awam, this takes the heat off them and gets you lot all rallying behind them once again.

India do have solid ground for 'reasonable suspicion', the Pakistan Army is an 'entity of interest'

I'm hoping they don't resort to any sort of knee-jerk military retaliation, our guys.

Plenty of options now to exploit and make lemonade from this most tragic event, if you can distance yourself from the emotion of it all. No need for eye for an eye when we can put the squeeze on diplomatically and slowly drain the life force out of the Pak fauj.

Have their popularity numbers seen a sudden burst with this yet ? Likely not, but any ill thought out response from India at this delicate stage might just. Pak awam still don;t like em much, we shouldn't do anything to change that and have you lot galvanizing around them.

As Trump would say, there's still a big beautiful fracture and no love lost between many in Pak and their fauj.

Keep it that way while we plan, take the sympathy from the world, demonize Pak fauj further..

in short: no sudden moves, tricky pitch now. We have our whole La Dinastia lefty brigade full in lock step with random Pakistani trolls who will chide Modi about how he's weak etc.. Modi, I'm hoping is too smart to bite.

Lets see, but.. interesting times, eh ?

Let me burst your bubble......we may have internal disputes and disagreement but when it comes to India we as anation stand behind our army and will cheer their thrust on New Delhi.......

 

[Pakistan First]

My 2 cents:

Nature of Attack
It was a terrorist attack. It was not against security forces but against civilians. Asking names and religion to kill anyone is seriously heinous coward act. Same thing happened in Pakistan when Shia's were killed few months ago. So I condemn these kinds of attack.

Who was behind it ? False flag?

It was not a false flag op. This attack destroyed normalcy and efforts post 370 revocation, so it do not make any sense for false flag. Most likely radical local outfit.

India's response so far:

India is showing a pathetic chest thumping response as expected of them. There's not a shred of proof against Pakistan. I personally despise Pakistani establishment for what they have done to our country (Especially in last 2-3 yrs) but there's no way they will be involved in such an attack and at this timing. They are desperately looking to be in good books of the world, they have practically eliminated democracy, suppressed human rights, killed journalists, we overseas Pakistanis actively call them out and name and shame them. There's no way they will do any such thing at this time. Overall indian response is just to put entire blame to Pakistan because its easy to put it their instead of hunting the real culprits.

India's next response

I see indians very excited as if they will punish Pakistan militarily. India and Pakistan are at the same level capability wise. Whatever india will do, it will receive the same. There is no way on earth india can attack Pakistan without being responded in the same manner. So I don't see india choosing this path, as india finds itself in a checkmate situation. Just like last time, India couldn't do a thing after losing fighter jet, helicopter with several officers (in own goal) and several ground targets locked with payload delivered as a message. I think suspending Indus treaty is already a HUGE action. Much of Pakistan's agriculture depends upon it.

Pakistan's response

Pakistan is showing a non serious response too. Foreign office should have taken a STRONG notice on indian chest thumping and blame game without a shred of evidence. Pakistan should call out this immaturity and should tell india to clean its own house before pointing fingers. Last time in 2019, IK called out india and dared india to give an evidence. The nation was standing with the army too because of political stability. World was pushing for de-escalation. Trump was also pushing for deescalation. This time the US and the world is standing with India. Pakistan is pretty much alone this time, The military junta (duffers) have even distanced chinese.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Firstly, it will take India up to a decade to produce enough infrastructure to properly affect the flow of the Indus and its Tributaries. In this time, the Chinese could do exactly the same given the precedent that India would set, putting the Ganges and Brahmaputra at risk and effectively countering them in that regard....

For now, the suspension of the IWT won't have many real consequences

Isn't that a rather big assumption, that China would switch our taps off if we switched yours off ?

and jump into a conflict with India because 'honey very sweet and mountains are tall' ?