Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[r3alist]

I have said it plenty of times and I will say it again - all this is between Pakistan-India is hallmark of US/CIA to counter China.
The explosion at Iran's Bandar Abbas Port causing huge damage is also part of this. Because China was investing there heavily to use the port. The destruction at Bandar Abbas has caused massive damage which will take many years to repair.

Once again, CHINESE CURRENT POLICY OF APPEASEMENT IS DESTRUCTIVE FOR CHINA AND ALL ITS ALLIES. CHINA WILL CEASE TO EXISIT IF IT CONTINUES WITH THIS.

It is time for China to take decisive steps and ATTACK INDIA.

They never done it, not their style

They aim to be internally robust, near parity with west tech, strong internal consumption and demand

They cannot be military invaded, who risks it now ? No one

They are built to be just fine even if the world around crumbles ...no unnecessary risk in historically alien places

 

[Pakistan First]

Oh now I figured out. You guys don't get it. Modi jee is waiting for the clouds.

Beecaaaz, Weemaan radar per nazar naa ayien. Samajha karo tum log.

Modi hai tu mumkin hai!

 

[That_Guy]

Iran is looking for routes back into mainstream and seems upset with Pakistan

They may do what they think they need to



Madness to suggest that, in a post truth, post justice world

Did India wait for an investigation? Has anyone said the ending of the treaty is wrong? That heck you imagining justice from or diplomatic pressure?

Justice and law is the average of what powerful nations think it should be, in reality

Sure do the legal and diplomatic prattling as long as you need, always a place for that


But might is right silly billy

This sole approach is Akin to negotiating the pace of your own demise

Then you become Gaza.....bit by bit




So green light to take Pakistan Kashmir?

It is madness to immediately start a war, when other routes exist.

Will you pick up a gun to fight? If not, then stop pushing for it.

Pakistan is not Gaza or the West Bank. Pakistan has the option to fight, so the threat exists. These would not be peace negotiations, these would be "restore the IWT or i take legal action".

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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This, China is a shrewd operator, they know how to navigate the currents.

And, it should be the most worrisome concern for the Bharati strategists. They can clearly see where things are heading. Time isn't on their side. And, they acted hastily. I have no doubt that the Pak Chief's* explosive speech invoking Two Nation Theory, Kashmir etc. prompted them to push the button in anger.....

He who stands up with anger sits down with loss - a Turkish saying

*A former spy master, who addressed the Chinese as "brothers in arms".
**Israil has no bones of contention with China which may turn out to be a Super Power.

 

[vasanthm]

342 pages and 5 days and India still hasn't found the guts to be able to attack Pakistan.

Backing up yo shit talk is hard afterall.

Yea maybe, but so many pages to discuss that

 

[Maarkhoor]

Another dandaan Shikan jawab at lippa valley.....


Indian posters can verify from their side.

 

[HRK]

talk about now.

what is at sea?

what does Task Force consist of?

INS Vikrant (with 16 x MiG-29s)
INS Surat (Vishakapatnam class destroyer)
INS Imphal (Vishakapatam class destroyer)
INS Vishakaptanam (Lead ship)
INS Cochi (Kolkata class Destroyers)
INS Kolkata (Lead Ship)
INS Nilgri (Lead ship - Frigate)
and 4 x Komorta class Anti Sub Corvettes with Helicopters

That a good surface target rich environment 1000-900km off karachi.

only thing they have which is of concern is Brahmos - otherwise Air element is non-starter.

and probably if push comes to shove - Brahmos will come consider MiG-29s dead already we have Block IIIs at sea front.

Indian fleet is not there to block the Karachi port but to disturb the Pakistan's SLOC.

They are stationed relatively at a safer distance and will try to harass the the merchant ships coming to or going from Karachi port, as per my understanding by doing this they think they would increase the economic cost for Pakistan and would force the PN assets to enter the zone(s) where they may set trap via their surface and sub-surface assets

But the question is could IN remain station at 800-1,000 KM from the Karachi for a longer and sustainable period (lets say for 45 to 90 days) without the support of country(or countries) in the region may be here mutual logistics agreements of USA-India as well as India-France will show their utility for India.

Further India also have a naval base in Seychelles Island so in Naval Domain strategically India is relatively in better position

 

[ARMalik]

We all know China won't do anything hastily. She shows strategic patience by playing long games and absorbing short time pains for long time gains. As for Pakistan, IMHO all China can do is "give fish and show how to fish"....

Unfortunately though, they are dealing with a race (US) which is on another level of strategic thinking. The rutlessness of US rulers is also an art.
There are people in US right now crunching numbers to see that if they use Nukes on their opponents and vice versa, can the US still COME OUT ON THE TOP with less destruction on its soil compared to its opponents. AND if the US still comes out on the top, then the US WILL BE READY TO USE NUKES !

 

[mythbuster]

Pakistan seeks $1.4 billion loan from China amid economic challenges

In an interview with a recent foreign news agency, Pakistan's Federal Finance Minister Mohammad Aurangzeb revealed that Pakistan has officially requested China for a 1.4 billion-dollar loan equivalent to 10 billion yuan

minutemirror.com.pk

Um, not exactly trolling but this is not a good look.

It won't lesson our hard-on , stop your giggles

 

[r3alist]

sahi baat, agree in large part.

in a sense, the west/NATO and Russia is also our "China" then

That's my point boss, on the whatever thread

Pak equation easy, tether or associate to china on tech industry etc door will be more often open than not

unfortunately military security state only wants military toys not the rest

But best deal out there in the market place

India, going solo or not? Russia no point

NATO pointless minus USA

So it's team Yankee and team ijrael for you


I am sure you know this

 

[Meengla]

A bit of common sense may help you with figuring out the consequences of an all out war...... very simple ....if India felt she is going to lose the war she may resort to nukes..... similarly if Pakistan felt she going to lose the war she may also resort to nukes.....forget about supplies, war won't last for more than 2weeks.

But this is where I differ with most here from both Indian and Pakistani members: I think if push comes to shove, Pakistan should unleash irregulars and regulars in huge numbers into Indian Occupied Kashmir with enough air and artillery cover and destroy Indian capacities there while working with the alienated groups in IOK. But don't launch an assault into India proper except tit for tat missile attacks. By putting the Shimla Agreement in Abeyance, Pakistan is not bound by the 'sanctity of the LOC'. This way, it will be another Operation Gibraltar 1965 but this time the consequences for Pakistan's inaction are too dire and this time the locals in IOK will cooperate. As long as the conflict is basically a guerilla war limited to Kashmir, there is lower risk of a nuclear escalation from both sides.

 

[RescueRanger]

Pakistan seeks $1.4 billion loan from China amid economic challenges

In an interview with a recent foreign news agency, Pakistan's Federal Finance Minister Mohammad Aurangzeb revealed that Pakistan has officially requested China for a 1.4 billion-dollar loan equivalent to 10 billion yuan

minutemirror.com.pk

Um, not exactly trolling but this is not a good look.

Its fine, I don't see the problem... So where is this war your media strong men were shouting about? They wanted to erase us from the map of the world...

Still waiting...

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Unfortunately though, they are dealing with a race (US) which is on another level of strategic thinking. The rutlessness of US rulers is also an art.
There are people in US right now crunching numbers to see that if they use Nukes on their opponents and vice versa, can the US still COME OUT ON THE TOP with less destruction on its soil compared to its opponents. AND if the US still comes out on the top, then the US WILL BE READY TO USE NUKES !

Hence, you don't cross the USA to that extent and level. You need to optimize your "cost function" satisfying those "boundary conditions". And, the Pak Deep State knows how to solve these OR problems too well....

Let TIME sort out the "incorrigible" issues. Let's not forget TIME isn't without its MASTER.....

 

[vasanthm]

Its fine, I don't see the problem... So where is this war your media strong men were shouting about? They wanted to erase us from the map of the world...

Still waiting...

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Maybe we're just waiting for all to die of old age

 

[Be dazzled]

In other news: 50 swines attempted an infiltration into Pakistan from the Afghan border, 47 were roasted and sent straight to hell, three have been captured alive.
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They were simply droned.