Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Mobius]

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[5thgenEnjoyer]

They wanna play tough? Let them. We’ll smash their faces into the dust. This is about survival now; water, land, future and we’re not giving up an inch.
Enough fake peace talks. It's time to sharpen the steel and remind them who they're messing with. We didn’t survive centuries of blood and betrayal to get scared now. Bring it on.

They're waking up their fake warrior spirit? Good for them. When the shit hits the fan, they’ll piss themselves .
And all those Pakistanis who "have lost their balls" are irrelevant. Water resources are our lifeline, no compromise on them.

@Lulldapull lull bhai I need your analysis on the dalits on our East.

I agree that Pakistani morale and will to fight is far greater than the Indians. However, to actually profit from the weaker Indian morale, any war would need to drag on for a serious amount of time with a serious amount of losses.
History has told us that Sharp strikes in calculated places do not do much damage to Indian morale (Ayub Khan's major blunder in '65), but protracted and costly conflicts where losses are hard to hide from the media and the layperson feels the economic costs, definitely do chip away the Indian morale healthbar- which is far smaller than the Pakistani one for sure.

India will have to have now deployed massive force numbers to successfully engage the Pakistani forces, who have a smaller area to defend but are there in large numbers. They haven't done this yet and it's a massive cost and logistical exercise.
The advantage lies with the defender, and that will be very hard to overcome. We saw this with the Ukraine/Russia conflict. The Russians found this out, had the Ukrainians had the level of arms Pakistan had, the Russian army would have been flattened in a counter assault.
That being said I do think India will try to go for a strategic limited strike, maybe sea based with air support which can hurt Pakistan.

I agree. Massive India troop formations would be required to push the LOC or threaten any of Pakistan's cities.
We have seen no such total mobilisation yet. Such a thing is easily visible and would be widely reported- therefore I doubt any strike would be seriously ground based but rather that these are units placed to be orientated defensively or to respond to border skirmishes on the IB and LOC.

Pakistan should instead prepare to face missile strikes from sea and land, for the moment as well as airstrikes.

 

[r3alist]

Very wise

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@Sharma Ji

 

[Waz]

Indian submarine deployment?
Anyone know if Indian K-15s are nuclear only?

Surface deployment bro, PN only has five modern combat ships in service 4 Tughril class, 1 Babur, that's it. The other Baburs are not here, the Jinnah class haven't begun construction yet. The four F-22's, are light ships, without solid air defense. The submarine fleet is old.
Not great and the Indian navy knows this well.

 

[PakistanLVR]

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I'm so glad this occurred. They really need to put in policies on our end to stop these artists from going over there. I know Hania is punching the air right now. She was trying to hard to kiss up up to the Indians by wearing a Bindi and hanging out with Indians in Dubai. Such a disgrace.

 

[Ali_Baba]

What are some weapons China could deliver during a war?

Extra HQ-n based SAM systems ideally.

 

[r3alist]

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[Distant_Observer]

India really went for the low blow with water and terrorism taunts.

Pakistan needs to find a way to humiliate them properly.

Should roll out Kulbhushan to the media. This will bring equality to the whole terrorism debate.

K Asif did a good job with nullifying the western blame game by throwing mud back at them.

 

[Waz]

I agree. Massive India troop formations would be required to push the LOC or threaten any of Pakistan's cities.
We have seen no such total mobilisation yet. Such a thing is easily visible and would be widely reported- therefore I doubt any strike would be seriously ground based but rather that these are units placed to be orientated defensively or to respond to border skirmishes on the IB and LOC.

Pakistan should instead prepare to face missile strikes from sea and land, for the moment as well as airstrikes.

100%. It's the water I am worried, we have Karachi sitting there. Damn the years of neglect, the navy is great and led by a capable man but sadly it would take time for the ships and submarines to arrive. Pakistan may be out of time in that regard.

 

[Baadil]

Surface deployment bro, PN only has five modern combat ships in service 4 Tughril class, 1 Babur, that's it. The other Baburs are not here, the Jinnah class haven't begun construction yet. The four F-22's, are light ships, without solid air defense. The submarine fleet is old.
Not great and the Indian navy knows this well.

Couple of Indian sources online claiming that presently Pakistan only has two subs operational.

Supposedly in 2019, Indian Kalvari-class subs were deployed along Pakistani coast.

What are Pakistani options for adopting forward naval posture to deter a repeat of this?

 

[Waz]

Couple of Indian sources online claiming that presently Pakistan only has two subs operational.

Supposedly in 2019, Indian Kalvari-class subs were deployed along Pakistani coast.

What are Pakistani options for adopting forward naval posture to deter a repeat of this?

Not many options I am afraid aside wait for them. They do have a massive advantage here and all the PN could do is hurt enough to deter them. But if they really push it we could see Karachi blockaded.

 

[PakistanLVR]

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Also want to add, I came across a video from a Village in Kalash where some guy was recording tow Kalash girls and having them wave to the camera addressing Indian males in a sexual way. I'm convinced this person is paid by someone in India to get videos of our women for their audience. They are obsessed with Fair skinned Pakistani women as to them its a low hanging fruit that they think are entitled to. They have this really British Hindu Raj attitude towards everyone else in South Asia.

 

[Lulldapull]

I already know what you might be reading.

Say less lol

They can never win bhai.......the demographics alone determine that.

A tiny metro-sexual strip of only 8 million has been pitted against practically the wider region of hundreds of millions no?

How they goin win this?

 

[mythbuster]

India will have to have now deployed massive force numbers to successfully engage the Pakistani forces, who have a smaller area to defend but are there in large numbers. They haven't done this yet and it's a massive cost and logistical exercise.
The advantage lies with the defender, and that will be very hard to overcome. We saw this with the Ukraine/Russia conflict. The Russians found this out, had the Ukrainians had the level of arms Pakistan had, the Russian army would have been flattened in a counter assault.
That being said I do think India will try to go for a strategic limited strike, maybe sea based with air support which can hurt Pakistan.

Nothing to worry , India has been checkmated...she is not left with a distinctive edge in any domain

 

[Ali_Baba]

Not many options I am afraid aside wait for them. They do have a massive advantage here and all the PN could do is hurt enough to deter them. But if they really push it we could see Karachi blockaded.

I don’t see any blockade can be put in place with the anti ship systems that Pakistan has to hand. Look at how the Houthi have forced the USN so far from Yemen. Pakistan is far better prepared to handle the IN imho.