Iranian Chill Thread

Tehrani021 said:
And therein lies the hypocrisy and double standards of people like you. You were one of the first to cry foul when Iran launched missiles into Pakistan, but now seem to expect Iran to tolerate it if another country attacks Iranian soil.
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You are either very young or just trying to gaslight me for some reason. If I am a hypocrite or have double standards, prove it.

First of all, Iran and US are enemies and I was against attacking a friendly country. Iran vs US is not comparable at all to Iran vs Pakistan.....
Second of all, it put us in a very awkward spot since they retaliated.
Third of all, I explained all the countless negative effects it had.

Where did I say Iran has to tolerate another country attacking its soil? Don't try to gaslight.
 
mangekyo said:
This is very interesting. I wonder how the US will retaliate. I think targeting IRGC in Syria would be a weak response considering US is "the world super power." It would show they are vulnerable. An appropriate response from "the world super power" would be drone strikes, air raids or cruise missile strikes at IRGC inside Iran. Anything less and they lose face. It's a humiliation. Such and attack can lead to a huge escalation, but they might feel emboldened after 18. January. If they do, I'd say theres a 50% chance Iran will retaliate proportionally, then there is no stopping this war.
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Biden has indicated he has decided about the response to take, whatever that might be. He might have confused that with ordering lunch or something, who knows?





President Joe Biden told reporters Tuesday he has made a decision about the US response to the drone strike that killed three US service members and injured dozens in Jordan.

Asked by CNN’s Arlette Saenz whether he has decided how to respond, Biden said, “Yes,” but declined to provide further details.
 
mangekyo said:
You are either very young or just trying to gaslight me for some reason. If I am a hypocrite or have double standards, prove it.

First of all, Iran and US are enemies and I was against attacking a friendly country. Iran vs US is not comparable at all to Iran vs Pakistan.....
Second of all, it put us in a very awkward spot since they retaliated.
Third of all, I explained all the countless negative effects it had.

Where did I say Iran has to tolerate another country attacking its soil? Don't try to gaslight.
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I don't see what my age has to do with any thing that I said, that's pretty desperate. You just proved it yourself when you admitted to what I said about your reaction to the Pakistan strikes. Iran didn't attack Pakistan no matter how much you want to pander to the people here, and I went over this with you extensively so I won't repeat it again. If anything the reaction of the terrorists since that event have further proven Iran's point that there is a problem on that border which needs fixing.

So you accept that any attack on Iran has to be met with a reaction, right? Because, as you just said, US is an enemy of Iran so an attack on Iranian soil, against Iranian soldiers and establishment, would be an even bigger slap than Iran firing a couple missiles at terrorists who are also at war with Pakistan. Be consistent because parallels can be drawn from the two situations as this would also be a question of Iran's sovereignty which I assume, as a fellow Iranian, you value just as much as you value Pakistan's sovereignty, right?
 
mangekyo said:
An appropriate response from "the world super power" would be drone strikes, air raids or cruise missile strikes at IRGC inside Iran. Anything less and they lose face. It's a humiliation. Such and attack can lead to a huge escalation, but they might feel emboldened after 18. January. If they do, I'd say theres a 50% chance Iran will retaliate proportionally, then there is no stopping this war.
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It's quotes like this that I makes me wonder what you mean by "appropriate". Appropriate in the sense that Iran has to tolerate this and draw a line under it? Because if it was not appropriate then it would imply that it would be unacceptable.
 
Tehrani021 said:
I don't see what my age has to do with any thing that I said, that's pretty desperate. You just proved it yourself when you admitted to what I said about your reaction to the Pakistan strikes. Iran didn't attack Pakistan no matter how much you want to pander to the people here, and I went over this with you extensively so I won't repeat it again. If anything the reaction of the terrorists since that event have further proven Iran's point that there is a problem on that border which needs fixing.

So you accept that any attack on Iran has to be met with a reaction, right? Because, as you just said, US is an enemy of Iran so an attack on Iranian soil, against Iranian soldiers and establishment, would be an even bigger slap than Iran firing a couple missiles at terrorists who are also at war with Pakistan. Be consistent because parallels can be drawn from the two situations as this would also be a question of Iran's sovereignty which I assume, as a fellow Iranian, you value just as much as you value Pakistan's sovereignty, right?
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Unless the terrorists are sponsored by the government of Pakistan I don't really see how what you say is in any way whatsoever relevant to the situation between Iran and US or how it makes me a hypocrite.

If you have evidence the terror groups are sponsored by the government of Pakistan, share your evidence and I will change my mind and admit my wrong.
 
Tehrani021 said:
It's quotes like this that I makes me wonder what you mean by "appropriate". Appropriate in the sense that Iran has to tolerate this and draw a line under it? Because if it was not appropriate then it would imply that it would be unacceptable.
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It means they respond in a way that would discourage anyone from attacking their soldiers ever again.
Or they either accept that they have met their match and act accordingly.
 
mangekyo said:
Unless the terrorists are sponsored by the government of Pakistan I don't really see how what you say is in any way whatsoever relevant to the situation between Iran and US or how it makes me a hypocrite.

If you have evidence the terror groups are sponsored by the government of Pakistan, share your evidence and I will change my mind and admit my wrong.
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What has "being sponsored by Pakistan" have to do with what I said? You're clutching at straws now and trying to build a strawman argument. The fact is these terrorists were operating inside Pakistani soil, in broad daylight, and therefore had to be taken out. But if that is a violation of sovereignty which required a response by Pakistan, then if US attacks Iranian soil then that would also be a violation of Iranian sovereignty and would also require a response, therefore rendering the US response as inappropriate. I can't make it any clearer for you.
 
mangekyo said:
It means they respond in a way that would discourage anyone from attacking their soldiers ever again.
Or they either accept that they have met their match and act accordingly.
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Attacking the territory of a sovereign state when no attack has been made on US territory from that state would be disproportionate and unacceptable. At least with the situation of Iran and Pakistan, Iran could say the terrorist attack came from Pakistani soil, so had to target the terrorists based there. In this situation, neither the attack came from Iranian soil nor by the military of Iran. It would be like Russia attacking Los Angeles or New York because of US arming and intelligence sharing with Ukraine. Therefore, I'm not seeing how your idea of a response is appropriate unless you have some delusions about Iran, which I think you do.
 
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Tehrani021 said:
Based on the fact that the Prophet or Sahaba or Ali or Ahlul Bayt never killed civilians under any circumstance, and logically if a murderer kills your mother, does that mean you can kill the murderer's mother? No, you can only excecute the murderer. So similarly, even though they bomb your civilians, that doesn't mean you can bomb their civilians but you can use the nukes to destroy their military. Yes detterance is a valid way to use it but you have to have a strategy of how you plan to use it in the event of a nuclear war. Sorry but the people didn't choose when the President uses the nukes, this decision solely lies on the government and military.
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yeah sure , it seems i must recite the Muslim conquests for you
 
Looks like Iran realized heavy strikes were coming its assets abroad if they didn’t get miltias to reign in their attacks publicly.

Attacks will likely still come, maybe to a lesser severity than before. Both avenues will allow Biden to save face.

Will be interesting to see how US responds after this cessation of hostilities declaration
 
Hack-Hook said:
yeah sure , it seems i must recite the Muslim conquests for you
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Well that's too general, and that would include a lot of malpractice. So they are not hujjah for me and majority of scholars, if not all scholars across all sects. However in terms of what we see from the Prophet, Sahaba, and Ahlul Bayt there is no evidence of targeting civilians at all and that's what a true Muslim government should live by.
 
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IRI blinked first (as usual), and US didn't even do anything yet

attacking MV Behshad would be a clever move, I doubt IRI would respond to it in any real way (still waiting for our response to Israel killing 5 senior IRGC intelligence officers in Damascus a week ago)
 
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IRI blinked first (as usual), and US didn't even do anything yet

attacking MV Behshad would be a clever move, I doubt IRI would respond to it in any real way (still waiting for our response to Israel killing 5 senior IRGC intelligence officers in Damascus a week ago)
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Iran will give a strong response to any US move against Iran
 
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