China hits back at Canada with fresh agriculture tariffs

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The best scenario for USA is recession.

That is the best scenario.

The normal scenario is probably a depression.

The ugliest scenario is the collapse of USA.

Most of Americans don't know how bad the situation is.

Even if USA is able to recover, the next phase of the economy is stagflation for decades, just like Japan.
 
Lol someone here has had too much time on their hand to go after a typo, must be slow news days for them.

By the way, as I mentioned a longggggggggg time ago, I make A LOT of mistakes in my post because I usually post them very late in the day (usually post 3am, when I am usually free after my other work) or I usually post drunk. And I don't generally check post after I typed it out, sometimes it was autocorrected, like this

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I am pretty sure I was meant to say "WRONG" instead of "WORLD" by the way.

Sometimes I caught it and edited it, sometimes I don't, sometimes I just don't bother. But hey, at least I wouldn't say "you can buy stuff from duty free and use them locally without paying tax". That's no typo, that's just dumb.
 
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VIEW Q1 US GDP shrinks amid import surge to front-run tariffs
April 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. economy contracted in the first quarter, weighed down by a deluge of goods imported by businesses eager to avoid higher costs, underscoring the disruptive nature of President Donald Trump's often chaotic tariff policy.
Gross domestic product decreased at a 0.3% annualized rate last quarter, the Commerce Department said in its advance estimate on Wednesday. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast that GDP increased at a 0.3% pace in the January-March period.

 
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Do Americans really trust someone that had bankrupted his business six times to manage America, it's likely to end up failure and disaster, lol, some people must be nuts to elect such person. Thats why the world should not trust him to manage it.
 
Do Americans really trust someone that had bankrupted his business six times to manage America, it's likely to end up failure and disaster, lol, some people must be nuts to elect such person. Thats why the world should not trust him to manage it.
You sound like someone who's not successful or started a business of his own.

Maybe you should check every billionaire business owner from beginning to now and you'll find they all have failed more than once.
 
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No one's listening to him, not even his own country's stock market.
 
staring at an empty store and skyrocketing prices
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Trump claims China 'doing poorly' without American buyers on day US economy shrinks 0.3%​

Yasin Gungor |30.04.2025 - Update : 30.04.2025

President Donald Trump said Wednesday that the Chinese economy is "doing poorly" because America is not buying their products -- the day the US announced its economy contracted 0.3% in the first quarter.

"I know that China is doing poorly right now. I just saw some reports coming out, and I don't want that to happen to China," Trump said in a Cabinet meeting.

The president suggested that Chinese factories are closing in China because the US is refusing their products in the absence of fair trade practices.

Trump claimed Chinese cargo ships are being forced to turn around in the Pacific Ocean. "They're sending boats, the biggest boats in the world ... and they're turning around in the Pacific Ocean, they're doing a big U-turn and going back because they don't want the goods, because 145% tariff," he said.

Despite the tough rhetoric, Trump expressed hope for improved relations with Beijing.

"At a certain point, I hope we're going to make a deal with China,” he said.

Trump said he likes Chinese President Xi Jinping and was "saddened to hear" China is in this situation. “I want China to do well. I want every country to do well, but they have to treat us fairly also,” he said.

The US Bureau of Economic Analysis reported Wednesday that the American economy shrank 0.3% year-on-year in the first quarter.

It attributed the decrease primarily to "an increase in imports, which are a subtraction in the calculation of GDP, and a decrease in government spending."

 

Trump Loses First Round of Trade War as US Economy Shrinks, China's Grows

Published Apr 30, 2025 at 2:59 PM EDT

In a week when President Donald Trump wanted headlines about wins, he got one about economic losses—while the rival he set out to weaken showed unexpected strength.

The U.S. economy shrank by 0.3 percent in the first quarter of 2025, marking the country's first contraction in three years. The news of weak GDP figures came just as a parallel development unfolded abroad: China's economy grew faster than expected, expanding by 5.4 percent.

Why It Matters​

The report landed as Trump sought to highlight new corporate investments in the U.S. while spending the week celebrating his 100th day in office. On Wednesday, the government reported that the U.S. economy had shrunk.

Trump swept into office largely on the back of his economic messaging. As his polls numbers on the economy continue to dwindle, he could face headwinds as economic uncertainty grows and the 2026 midterms approach.

China Tariffs

Tourists are seen onboard a sightseeing boat flying the Chinese national flag, with a Maersk container ship and stacked shipping containers in the background at the Yantian International Container Terminal, on April 12, 2025 in... More Photo by Cheng Xin/Getty Images

What To Know​

Driving the U.S. decline was a surge in imports, as companies tried to front-run sweeping tariffs on autos, steel, aluminum, and goods from nearly every country.

Trump pointed the finger at former President Joe Biden as the stock market fell Wednesday morning in response to the gross domestic product report. "This is Biden's Stock Market, not Trump's," he wrote in Truth Social.

The twin reports undercut the administration's trade war messaging. Trump's tariffs—designed to squeeze China and stimulate domestic manufacturing—have so far produced the opposite effect: weakening U.S. growth while China's economy, at least for now, accelerates.

"Trump wanted to show strength this week. Instead, the numbers showed weakness," said Joseph Foudy, professor at NYU's Stern School of Business. "The U.S. economy is reacting to the disruption. China, for now, is getting a lift."

That lift came in part from a final surge in exports to the U.S. before new tariffs took effect. According to CNBC, Chinese shipments to America rose more than 12 percent in March, helping drive Beijing's quarterly growth.

Trump has argued that the tariffs will force China to negotiate and ultimately deliver results, but that has yet to materialize.

On the contrary, the administration has shown signs of frustration as China remains unmoved by Washington's pressure tactics. This week's data from both countries point in a different direction—one that could raise doubts about who's paying the higher price so far.

"This is a self-inflicted slowdown," Foudy said. "Major business decisions are on hold. No one wants to expand or hire under this kind of unpredictability."

Todd Belt, director of the Graduate School of Political Management, told Newsweek that the tariff war opened a window for China to do exactly what Trump hoped to prevent: grow, export, and reposition itself globally.

President Donald Trump

President Donald Trump holds up a chart while speaking during a “Make America Wealthy Again” trade announcement event at the White House on April 2, 2025, in Washington, D.C. Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

"China has essentially called Trump's bluff," Belt said. "They're pivoting faster than he anticipated. They're not responding with the kind of economic pain he expected."

Both Belt and Foudy said China is actively building new trade relationships to reduce reliance on the U.S. Chinese officials have spent the last few months deepening ties with Europe and discussing new routes through Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and Latin America. Meanwhile, U.S. allies like Mexico and Canada are upgrading infrastructure and expanding economic ties with China and the EU.

"If we push our allies too hard while we're pressuring China, we risk isolating ourselves," Foudy said. "That's exactly what China wants."

However, while he agrees that Beijing appears to be gaining ground in the short term, he emphasized that China won't escape harm entirely. "I do believe the trade war will hurt China, just as it's hurting the U.S.," he said. "That said, it's not clear how much economic pain the U.S. is willing to tolerate."

"We always have to view Chinese economic data with some skepticism," he added. "We should assume that any damage to China's economy will unfold gradually over the next year—it won't show up immediately."

How Long Can Trump Blame Biden?​

New presidents often get a break early on, as voters often blame economic problems on previous leaders. Former President Barack Obama wasn't blamed for the 2009 stock market crash, and former President George W. Bush didn't take the heat for the dot-com bubble that burst before he took office.

But inflation and high prices were central to Trump's 2024 campaign and victory—and they remain top concerns for voters. If consumers begin to feel the full effects of the tariffs, it could become harder for Trump to deflect responsibility.

"The honeymoon period typically lasts three to four months," Foudy said. "We'll start seeing the impact in June, through rising consumer prices and product shortages. Then by July, it will start appearing in GDP and other economic indicators."

Markets typically handle uncertainty better than the average American consumer—but only up to a point. Since Trump's inauguration, the stock market has been volatile, reacting to a steady stream of shifting tariffs, federal layoffs, and spending freezes. The Economic Policy Uncertainty Index, which tracks instability in government decision-making, has surged over the past two months, reaching levels not seen since the peak of the pandemic.

"This is entirely the responsibility of the Trump administration," said Belt. "They inherited a strong economy—low unemployment, falling inflation, and market optimism around deregulation and pro-growth policies."

What People Are Saying​

Trump on Truth Social on Wednesday: "This is Biden's Stock Market, not Trump's. I didn't take over until January 20th. Tariffs will soon start kicking in, and companies are starting to move into the USA in record numbers. Our Country will boom, but we have to get rid of the Biden "Overhang." This will take a while, has NOTHING TO DO WITH TARIFFS, only that he left us with bad numbers, but when the boom begins, it will be like no other. BE PATIENT!!!

Peter Navarro, Donald Trump's chief trade adviser, told CNBC: "We had a 22 percent increase in domestic investment. That is off the charts. When you strip our inventories and the negative effects of the surge in imports because of the tariffs you have three percent growth, so we really like where we are at now."

Representative Brendan Boyle, the top Democrat on House Budget Committee, on the GDP report: "Donald Trump has done something truly remarkable—in just 100 days, he's taken a strong economy and driven it toward a recession. This GDP report ends the myth that he can be trusted on the economy"

What Happens Next​

The Trump administration has softened its rhetoric on China in recent days amid rising pressure to secure a deal and growing fears of a recession.

 

Tariffs have consequences. Trump’s lies can’t change that.​

The president can say whatever he wants, but no amount of lying can change certain facts about the world. Everyone will feel the impacts of his tariffs.

May 1, 2025, 4:41 AM GMT+8
By Chris Hayes

China is not paying those tariffs. You are paying those tariffs.

For all the talk about what the media got wrong about the last election, and how it failed to communicate the stakes for democracy, I actually think the American people were well-warned that Donald Trump would govern like an authoritarian.

Trump thinks that his own force of will is so powerful that he can overcome reality itself.
The biggest miss, though, was on the tariffs. They went underreported, and when they were reported, no one believed he would do it, even though Trump talked about it all the time. (Although I should note, you would not have been surprised about the tariffs if you were a regular viewer of “All In,” where we warned about them all the time, starting back in January of 2024.)

Trump inherited an economy that was the envy of the world, and he’s basically tried to destroy it ever since. All in pursuit of this one issue: tariffs — an issue he has been absolutely obsessed with for at least 40 years.

He thinks that his own force of will is so powerful that he can overcome reality itself. He insists that American consumers will not pay the tariffs; the exporting countries will. But that is not true. Everyone on Wall Street and in Washington has been running around screaming for a month that this is an import tax.

Trump thinks he can keep this going like Wile E. Coyote, when he runs off the cliff and doesn’t look down. But the data is coming in, and prices are going up.

Just consider the popular Chinese e-commerce retailer Temu. It sells a bunch of clothes and tchotchkes at very low prices, but with the caveat that you are importing them directly from China. Thanks to Trump’s tariffs, importing a bunch of cheap stuff directly from China just got a lot more expensive. So Temu added a line during checkout to show exactly how much Trump’s tariffs are costing you.

CNBC ran an experiment and found that a $30 order now comes with $45 in “import fees,” meaning what would normally cost you $30 just a few weeks ago would run you $75 today. See, China is not paying those tariffs. You are paying those tariffs.

On Tuesday, there was a report that Amazon might consider something similar for some products — a price line telling you exactly how much Trump’s tariffs are costing you — and the White House went absolutely ballistic. Press secretary Karoline Leavitt called it a “hostile and political act by Amazon.”

Around the time of Leavitt’s briefing, Trump called Amazon founder Jeff Bezos to complain about the reported plan, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News. And surprise, Amazon caved. The company now says that it was only considering adding the tariff line for its subservice “Amazon Haul,” which is a direct competitor to sites like Temu, where you import cheap goods directly from China. More importantly, Amazon says it is not going to add the tariff line anymore.

Trump was pleased. When asked about his call, the president told reporters, “Jeff Bezos was very nice. He’s terrific. He solved the problem very quickly, and he did the right thing. Good guy.”

Bezos understands the score. Trump wants direct control over the American economy. He does not want free markets, he wants a planned economy controlled by him. That means he is allowed to run the country like a corrupt mafia state where he shakes down big companies he views as adversaries and cuts sweetheart deals to his friends.

It is still going to cost 145% more to import things from China, whether or not Amazon explicitly tells you that is what is happening.

His own commerce secretary, Howard Lutnick, effectively agreed that even talking about the tariffs is an attack on the White House. When asked if it was a “hostile act” for a company to say they’re raising prices because of tariffs, Lutnick said, “I think if you go out of your way to try to make it seem like your price has changed when it’s nonsense … a 10% tariff is not going to change virtually any price. The only price it would change would be a product that we don’t make here, like a mango.”

Now, first of all, people will absolutely notice if their prices rise by 10%. Second, it is not just 10% from China. It is 145%.

That aside, Bezos gets how this administration is operating, so he’s not going to tell you about the Trump tax directly. But, it is still going to cost 145% more to import things from China, whether or not Amazon explicitly tells you that is what is happening.

It is the same thing Trump tried to do during Covid, when he suggested keeping testing numbers artificially low so that there would be fewer reported cases. But that did not actually mean fewer cases. People still noticed when they got sick.

Trump can say whatever he wants, but it will still be the case that the shipping containers will be empty. It will be the case that your prices are higher. No amount of lying and bullying can change certain facts about the world. You cannot overcome some aspects of reality. Everyone is going to start feeling the impacts of these tariffs.

 
Nothing surprising, US also created a list of Chinese goods exempt from US tariffs.
The two world powers need to negotiate a way forward to reduce American trade deficit and bring stability to global economic outlook. Needs of people should be top priority. Maybe China can offer to open some manufacturing plants in the US.
 

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