Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[FuturePAF]

India turned a tragic incident into a crisis for the region and is trying to turn it into a crisis for the world.

If this was carried out by Kashmiris, for the stated reasons give by the alleged perpetrators as stated in the Indian media, considering how Kashmir has been placed in more than a year and a half of lockdown after the abrogation of Article 370, it’s possible there were enough people that could be motivated to do this.

Then, possibly with entrapment (and Indian cutout organization feeding individuals with arms and directing them against tourists, which is known will cause the maximum outrage), someone could have provided the arms and given these radicalized individuals the means to carry out the killings. It’s also possible these are Radicalized individuals, even more so by the past few years of extra Indian repression, carrying these actions out of their own volition, because it seems mad anyone would direct an attack on tourists.

The Indians, with the massive manhunt underway, haven’t even captured the alleged gunmen in this incident. In due time, they will probably have to find some patsies to stick the blame upon.

Isn’t there an Indian military post a few kilometers away from where this incident happened? It’s been more than a week.

The Kashmiris just want to live normal lives, and so this attack on tourists hurts them a lot. The actions of a few murderers does not reflect on the methods most Kashmiris choose to seek their independence. Working through the Indian political process as the only peace means at their disposal, currently.

But we have to remember that Kashmiri people were discontent with the status quo and showed it in the recent elections. Kashmiris, being stuck in the Indian crosshairs, are saying what they are saying, but you can see what they could say openly, when the elections were held, and expressing their desire for autonomy at the moment and a return to some kind of normal life.

The following videos are from just 6 months ago; October 2024.

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Btw the theory of entrapment isn’t as far fetch as it sounds. Sometimes it’s is used as part of sting operations or even personal greed by local security/police forces.

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There was also the case of a British soldier supplying the IRA.

Royal Marine who supplied arms for Irish republican attacks jailed for 18 years

Ciaran Maxwell admitted living double life as ‘bombmaker and quartermaster’ for republican terrorists while serving in elite navy squad

www.theguardian.com

If you ask the AI on search engines they even state “While there are strong accusations and allegations of British involvement in supplying weapons to the IRA and loyalist paramilitaries, there is no definitive proof of a direct supply operation by the British government.”

This is why the use of fake groups, with barely any history are made and already radicalized elements are entrapped to carry out the most heinous acts.

 

[RAJPUT]

I suspect the following is how it will play out-

a) Order is to catch the 4 alive, not kill them. Which is why it is taking time (drone strike to kill them is ruled out). It is likely they have already been caught secretly and interrogated.

b) Sources claim one is an SSG Commado- if above is succesful he will be produced alive in front of world media as proof of Pak involvement. It will be difficult for Pak to deny it because I believe SSG training also happens abroad. In any case, training photo, video, batch number, military records etc, are not as difficult to get

c) Once they are presented to the world, India will strike. Likely a missile strike. Because the issue with Abhi is not that he was caught but in order to release him we were forced to abandon further action. With missiles there are no issues.

d) I agree with the British chap who said a possible target is Muridke complex of LeT. It's 200 acres. We can strike and there will be low collateral damage.

How delusional of you. Maar lo missiles, tumhari maar li jayegi phir. Phir leke phirte rehna, silne wala bhi koi nahi hoga. Bc kitne nashe karte hain lundians.
As Musharraf once said: “oh bhai hamne kya chooriyan pehni hain ke aap hamain saza dedenge? Ham apka saza na deden? Aap ne samjha kia hua hai Pakistan army ko aur Pakistan ko? Ye koi Burma nahi hai jisko aap punish krlenge, this is Pakistan and Pakistans armed forces you are talking about.”
Aur itni besharam qoum hai tumhari, hamari awam ne abhinandan ki gaanf phaar ke fojion ko pakra dia, uska muh sooj ke kaddu ban gya aur tum lougon ne usko bc medal dedia. Ajeeb delusional aur subjugated mentality ki maari qoum hai tumhari.
Ab tou hamain sharam arahi hai, kabse bakwas kari jaare the ke “dond sleep tonight saaarrrrr, dond sleep” kithe reh gaye o?

 

[maverick]

That’s the crux, ain’t it.

What will Pakistan do in light of India’s water terrorism.

Legal avenues can be explored but not sure the extent of which this can be enforced.

More forceful actions can be discussed like denying Indian commercial vessels access to Pakistan’s extended economic zone (adversely impact Pakistan as well).

Pakistan government cannot take this lightly.

Pakistan cant do anything with current coward government, need a man like Imran khan, who will send shiver down Indians spine.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Whenever india will start a large scale project (dam / reservoir / link canals). Fire a Cruise missile over that spot right away. That should be message enough to not touch Pakistani water. There shouldn't be a compromise in this regard whatsoever.

What if we get another Qadiani Bajwa as the COAS who decides that its not worthwhile to fight? Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan quite literally now. What can a foreign legal court do to India? Not much. It can't forced them. Only one to force the Indians to behave is the Pakistan's military and its support of the Kashmiri fighters. Hate to break to everything, Pakistan needs to become more militarized than it already is. Our luck that we have a great location but with many potential landmines. This cannot be taken lightly or forgotten. Only two nations have come to Pakistan's help and its China and Turkey. The Arabs, the Persians, they will paid lip service because of trade relations. The Persians are okay with the Hindu Zionist but absolutely hate the Jew Zionist. It's laughable, and hypocritical.

Anyhow, Pakistan needs to have offensive posture and instant strikes if constructions start on the dams which limits water. Turning the LOC into the ceasefire line is a start. The indians are deeply afraid of IOK turning into a warzone zone again like it was prior to Musharraf's UTurn. Looks like we're head back to the 90s again - all because of the Indian foolish bravado to look strong.

 

[mulj]

From ndtv...so not trolling here, bit serious point

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Astonishing even animals have more sense for order and aesthetic structure.

 

[Pakistan First]

What if we get another Qadiani Bajwa as the COAS who decides that its not worthwhile to fight? Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan quite literally now. What can a foreign legal court do to India? Not much. It can't forced them. Only one to force the Indians to behave is the Pakistan's military and its support of the Kashmiri fighters. Hate to break to everything, Pakistan needs to become more militarized than it already is. Our luck that we have a great location but with many potential landmines. This cannot be taken lightly or forgotten. Only two nations have come to Pakistan's help and its China and Turkey. The Arabs, the Persians, they will paid lip service because of trade relations. The Persians are okay with the Hindu Zionist but absolutely hate the Jew Zionist. It's laughable, and hypocritical.

Anyhow, Pakistan needs to have offensive posture and instant strikes if constructions start on the dams which limits water. Turning the LOC into the ceasefire line is a start. The indians are deeply afraid of IOK turning into a warzone zone again like it was prior to Musharraf's UTurn. Looks like we're head back to the 90s again - all because of the Indian foolish bravado to look strong.

True. Don't even have to send forces in. That can be done too if war economy dynamics are in control. Today, Pakistan has means to destroy any illegal reservoir in Kashmir with stand off munition. I say destroy the first one as soon as they start construction. That will give a STRONG message for Pakistan's redline.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Astonishing even animals have more sense for order and aesthetic structure.

Not limited to just Pakistan. I can show you areas of the Sonoran Desert and various areas of the Tonto National Forest that are as bead if not worse.

People are slobs.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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[Sharma Ji]

Astonishing even animals have more sense for order and aesthetic structure.

Rich, coming from a Bangladeshi false flagger

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

That doesn't make sense

It's the missile that does the killing not the plane

So F16s have the AIM-120s
Both the J10 and JF17s have the Sd-10s and PL15s

The JF17 in the net centric environment created by Pakistan supported by it's own radars, AWACS, ground radars etc is just as lethal because it fires the same long range BVRs

So what — even the Su-30MKI, Mirage 2000, and HAL Tejas can fire BVR missiles with a range of 120 km.

People tend to take these too personally into heart

Just like you might not consider some of our aircraft as major threats, in the same way, we believe the real threats mainly come from two key PAF fighters. - j10 and f16 52

There’s no need for anyone to take it to heart — we certainly don’t.

 

[RescueRanger]

Their is not going to be a direct confrontation

At least not right now

JD Vance again offered to sell F35As
maybe yesterday’s incident will convince the IAF and MOD to buy it

Update your flag as asked before till then you are banned from this thread.

 

[mulj]

@Raj-Hindustani , do you understand what AESA is and do you understand what PL15 or PL12s are ? Dude you are in for a shocking surprise. check out DCS to understand what you are up against.

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Its good that indians are in denials and they will get minced in combat. This is just the beast mode with SD10 on F18 super hornets armed with AIM120C7s. and your IN goverment gave your squardons AIM120C5 evading Team the ammram dodgers... lol. SD10 is far superior over AIm120c7s

Pakistan HAS to upgrade all JF-17 to block 3, that should be top priority and china could provide necessary equipment almost instantly. After that, raising the numbers with more potent and capable platforms untill you reach at least 300 or so of air fighter interceptors and air dominance fighters.

 

[RescueRanger]

OSP here. Long time on and off member of this forum and the previous one.

I decided to create another account so I can add my bits and provide strategy clarity and options for the Pakistan state in how to handle the fallout from the recent violence by natives against the Hindu occupation of Kashmir.

The Indians are extremely opportunistic and will use this incident to try to settle scores from 2019 failed Balakote strikes and the Pakistan's swift retaliation in broad daylight right afterwards.

I do not believe that Pakistan at the state level had a hand in the current violence. I do not believe it was a false flag by the Indians either (I'm 50% sure about this).

The Indians will try to seek out weak points in Pakistan's defense before committing to another "Surgical Strike" drama like the last two times.

If they cannot find a weak point, they will likely opt to put massive political pressure on Islamabad by influencing their Arab partners in the Gulf and the US. What they will seek is put Islamabad in a cage where the Indians will demand sort of assistance by opening up Pakistan's internal policies and books to the India. Under the guise of "cooperation" the Indians will attempt to demand full bend of the knees from Islamabad where New Delhi will be established as the sole dominant power in South Asia. New Delhi will seek extradition of Pakistani citizens regardless of their involvement.

Pakistan policy makers under no circumstance give in to these demands. New Delhi will put military pressure as a ploy to get Pakistan's cooperation, in other words, full bending of the knees. Islamabad needs to stand firm and deny all assistance (cooperation). Call the Indian's bluff and forced them to conduct military operations.

Now to the military operations part. In this scenario too, Islamabad needs to retaliate disproportional to any military moves against Pakistan's lands, territories, and people. New Delhi expects to replicate the Israeli model where they slowly degraded the neighboring countries psychological defense before shifting the focus to military one. So far Pakistan's preparation and massive military has put cold water on the Indian's ambition.
Regardless of what type of attack is conducted, Islamabad will have no choice to retaliate massively and call New Delhi's bluff. No amount of pressure from the Gulf or the West, and even the Chinese should stop Pakistan from a massive retaliation.

Past strikes attempts by the Indians have only ended New Delhi's humiliation. New Delhi will attempt to offer some sort of a normalization deal if Islamabad will allow New Delhi to conducts strikes for the domestic homefront. This too will be a trap as now it will embolden the Indians for future strikes and categorically will place Islamabad as a second tier military power in the South Asia. Future leaders of Pakistan will look to this incident and say "they've done it in the past so what's the big deal to let them do it." This is how Pakistan will come undone.

Islamabad cannot look the other way as some suggested prior to Imran Khan and the Air Force chief taking bold decisions to escalate. The escalatory ladder belongs to Pakistan and only Pakistan.

Pakistan military/civilian leadership has to stand firm.

@Mods, please ban any indian from this thread as they are out in force trying to psychological undermine Pakistan's unity in these trying times.
Also, Please ban any Pro-IK comments (many of them also seem like Indian larpers trying to iginite internal infighting amongst Pakistanis).

Thank you for posting here, please post more often.

 

[mulj]

Not limited to just Pakistan. I can show you areas of the Sonoran Desert and various areas of the Tonto National Forest that are as bead if not worse.

People are slobs.

True but top nature touristic spots are usually clean with minor ecological destruction by visitors due regulations, upkeep and cultural standards.
This example is simply unbelievable to see, there are not scattered cans and bottles from point to point but trails of garbage, never seen something like this.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

@Raj-Hindustani , do you understand what AESA is and do you understand what PL15 or PL12s are ? Dude you are in for a shocking surprise. check out DCS to understand what you are up against.

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Its good that indians are in denials and they will get minced in combat. This is just the beast mode with SD10 on F18 super hornets armed with AIM120C7s. and your IN goverment gave your squardons AIM120C5 evading Team the ammram dodgers... lol. SD10 is far superior over AIm120c7s

Just claim on paper - far supirior anyway!
It’s easy to make claims on paper about being far superior!

People mostly rate American weapons highly not just because they look good on paper, but because they’ve been consistently tested, have a solid combat operational history, and have proven themselves overall

For example - if USA sell f15 ex eagle 2, and also also you have fighter alike j16 etc...... we yet mostly feel most threats from f15 ex

Otherwise all fighters flying will missiles - always a threat