Turkish Foreign Policy and Regional Geopolitics
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hyperman
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Hegseth is a bit of a clown, these tweets are more for domestic consumption for their MAGA base than anything substantive, after the embarrassment over the F-18 flying overboard.
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Greece pushes for reopening of historic Istanbul seminary
Greece pushes for reopening of historic Istanbul seminary
Greek Foreign Minister Giorgos Gerapetritis paid a visit to Istanbul late Wednesday, where he met Fener Greek Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew and members of...
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Normally I would have no issue with this request from Greece, but then i remember they have been giving Turks in Western Thrace a hard time over electing their own religious leader and other things like not allowing Ottoman Mosques to reopened or restored by the Dianet. So maybe this should be done in a reciprocal way instead of unilaterally at the request of Greece.
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Foinikas
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I think the law has it that the State would appoint the Grand Mufti and the ones favored by the Muslims who identify as Turks,are usually more Turkish nationalistic. The Pomaks seem to be fine with it.Greece pushes for reopening of historic Istanbul seminary
Greece pushes for reopening of historic Istanbul seminary
Greek Foreign Minister Giorgos Gerapetritis paid a visit to Istanbul late Wednesday, where he met Fener Greek Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew and members of...
Normally I would have no issue with this request from Greece, but then i remember they have been giving Turks in Western Thrace a hard time over electing their own religious leader and other things like not allowing Ottoman Mosques to reopened or restored by the Dianet. So maybe this should be done in a reciprocal way instead of unilaterally at the request of Greece.
hyperman
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Let them vote and pick their own leader.
What would happen if Turkey started appointing the Ecumenical Patriarch?
Foinikas
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Greece rejected claims by Turkey that a new legal framework on the election of Muslim clerics (muftis) in Thrace, northeastern Greece, denies the community the right to elect their own muftis, saying it is “fully compatible with the constitution of Greece and the country’s international obligations.”
The new law, approved by Parliament on July 29, allows the Muslim minority to form an advisory board of 33 people, selected from among scholars of Islamic sciences and imams. The panel will assess candidates and submit a list to the Education Ministry which will pick one for the post.
Athens rebuffs Ankara on new law on Thrace muftis | eKathimerini.com
Greece rejected claims by Turkey that a new legal framework on the election of Muslim clerics (muftis) in Thrace, northeastern Greece, denies the community the right to elect their own muftis, saying it is “fully compatible with the constitution of Greece and the country’s international...
www.ekathimerini.com
Despite repeatedly criticizing Greece for appointing the Muslim community’s muftis in the region of Thrace, Turkey also appoints its own muftis at a central level, via a state agency, Greek diplomatic sources pointed out on Tuesday, highlighting “the hypocrisy of Turkey’s stance.”
Three Turkish muftis were appointed, seven were transferred and one was removed from office with a Presidential Decree published in the Turkish government gazette a few days ago, on June 7, the sources said, adding that the muftis are civil servants employed by the Religious Affairs (Diyanet) Directorate, which is a state agency.
Athens notes ‘Turkish hypocrisy’ over the appointment of muftis in Thrace | eKathimerini.com
Despite repeatedly criticizing Greece for appointing the Muslim community’s muftis in the region of Thrace, Turkey also appoints its own muftis at a central level, via a state agency, Greek diplomatic sources pointed out on Tuesday, highlighting “the hypocrisy of Turkey’s stance.”
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hyperman
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Greece rejected claims by Turkey that a new legal framework on the election of Muslim clerics (muftis) in Thrace, northeastern Greece, denies the community the right to elect their own muftis, saying it is “fully compatible with the constitution of Greece and the country’s international obligations.”
The new law, approved by Parliament on July 29, allows the Muslim minority to form an advisory board of 33 people, selected from among scholars of Islamic sciences and imams. The panel will assess candidates and submit a list to the Education Ministry which will pick one for the post.
Athens rebuffs Ankara on new law on Thrace muftis | eKathimerini.com
Greece rejected claims by Turkey that a new legal framework on the election of Muslim clerics (muftis) in Thrace, northeastern Greece, denies the community the right to elect their own muftis, saying it is “fully compatible with the constitution of Greece and the country’s international...
Despite repeatedly criticizing Greece for appointing the Muslim community’s muftis in the region of Thrace, Turkey also appoints its own muftis at a central level, via a state agency, Greek diplomatic sources pointed out on Tuesday, highlighting “the hypocrisy of Turkey’s stance.”
Three Turkish muftis were appointed, seven were transferred and one was removed from office with a Presidential Decree published in the Turkish government gazette a few days ago, on June 7, the sources said, adding that the muftis are civil servants employed by the Religious Affairs (Diyanet) Directorate, which is a state agency.
Athens notes ‘Turkish hypocrisy’ over the appointment of muftis in Thrace | eKathimerini.com
Despite repeatedly criticizing Greece for appointing the Muslim community’s muftis in the region of Thrace, Turkey also appoints its own muftis at a central level, via a state agency, Greek diplomatic sources pointed out on Tuesday, highlighting “the hypocrisy of Turkey’s stance.”
lmao and how are these 33 people elected? Greece Appoints them.
Why the hostility, what are you so scared of if people vote and elect someone? They don't allow people to select their own leaders, keep all the historical mosques closed, don't allow for building of new ones. Its clear they are scared of people living there and trying their best to suppress them and control them.
Foinikas
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From the context,I understand the Muslims themselves elect them and then send the list to the government.
Why not letting all the historical churches of byzantine Constantinople,what is downtown Istanbul today,function as churches again? What's with the hostiliy,sir?
No,what they don't want is Turkish government proxies at helm that would lead or mislead the Muslims who identify themselves as Turks,into become pawns in Erdogan's neo-Ottoman plans.
And remember,not all Muslims complain. There's various groups of Muslims in Western Thrace:
the Muslim minority of mainly Western Thrace in Northern Greece consists of several ethnic groups, some being Turkish speaking and some Bulgarian-speaking Pomaks, with most numbers descending from Ottoman-era Greek converts to Islam and Muslim Romas.
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Although the Treaty of Lausanne refers to it in a religious context, as the Muslim minority of Greece, its precise identity is in contention between the minority's individual groups, Greece and Turkey. The Turkish government insists that all the Muslims are ethnically Turks, with Turkish officials characterizing them collectively as "Turkish minority". The Greek government however refrains from referring to the Muslim minority by a specific ethnic background, such as Turkish, since it is a multi-ethnic minority that includes ethnic Greek Muslims, Pomaks and Roma Muslims as well.
The "Panhellenic Pomak Association" and the "Cultural Association of Pomaks of Xanthi", have stated that Greece's Pomaks and Romas do not accept the Turkish government's characterization as "Turkish" for them, since they are self-identifying as ethnic groups distinct from the Turks; the latter also asserted that they have Greek national consciousness.
hyperman
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There are plenty of Churches in Istanbul and anyone that wants to build a new church has not problem doing so, the same cannon be said for Greece, after so much pressure they allowed a building to be built that looks nothing like a mosque and its the only one that exists. In a city where there are apparently thousands of muslims. And they don't even own the building the greece govt ownes and runs the building. lol
Greece have EHCR rulings it is ignoring on the matter of Turks in Western Thrace.
By Allowing people to vote overall? lol maybe you are afraid if a vote took place the puppets you have placed as tokens won't be the ones representing the community. Greeks are allowed to choose their own leadership in Istanbul, Turkey does not install someone to a council which then picks a puppet.
Foinikas
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Ah,but there's the problem! The Rumlar of Istanbul have decreased to such a small number,that building new churches and getting into all that trouble is hard,if there's no government initiative. You keep nagging about Yunan not re-opening old mosques,yet the churches like Agia Sophia,Agia Irini and others,are functioning as mosques,art gallery and event places and museums. Even the Pantokratoros monastery was recently turned into "Zeyrek Mosque".
And yet,the American incognito Ertugrul fan complains about Yunanistan.
Muslims in Thrace have their own mosques. You complain about Athens which is full of illegal immigrants and "refugees",nobody invited them. Sounds hard to you? Sounds racist? Well this ain't America.
hyperman
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There was a new Assyrian Church built only 2 years ago. There was a Bulgarian Church Renovated only a few years ago, Turkey restored a Greek Monastery a few years back.
The new church actually looks like a Church, and is owned by the people that worship there. Turkey isn't hiding these people like some sort of embarrassment or nuisance or unwanted people, the way the Greeks in Athens do. After years of pressure they give a small building that looks nothing like a mosque and the ppl don't even own it, the govt ownes it and runs it, and only under Tsipras, doubtful ND would have done it as the Nationalists gave Tsipras such a hard time over a small building most people wouldn't even recognize as a mosque. Its clear who is and isn't seen with contempt and treated as some sort of undesirable Dalit or something, and not allowed to have organzations which elect their own representative.
Foinikas
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It's a clumsy move. Because the mosque doesn't look like a mosque. It looks like a public service building. But the Saudis were funding a 50 meter tall minaret,people here didn't want a tall minaret to be what tourists would see when they landed in Athens. It was a weird situation. It's not just nationalists,it's also the Church and others who didn't want a mosque. And this mosque has nothing to do with the Muslim Minority in Thrace. Athens only has majority illegals,refugees and former illegals who were legalized. People get pissed off,they see it as something that becomes more permanent.
hyperman
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Yeah they don't want muslims to exist in Greece, some of them don't want Muslims to exist in Europe. lol
Who is saying anything about a 50 foot minaret or whatever in some tourist area, if anything it would be built in the area where the people live and can easily access.
Turkey built/paid for a very nice Mosque in Cambridge using local Historical architectural styles and building material.
Foinikas
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Just like Talat,Enver and Ataturk envisioned about Christians in Turkey? No lol here. It's a bitter story.
hyperman
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Bruh wut? lol
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