Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[M. Sarmad]

The Indian State is looking for so-called revenge and to HURT Pakistan to appease its voters and ego, and become heroes. The last time Indira Gandhi tried this was in 1971, and look what she got in return.
1) Full-fledged rebellion in Kashmir.
2)Full-fledged rebellion for Khalistan.
3)Constant paranoia of Pakistan arming itself, especially the F16s.
4)Losing her life from her Sikh guards.
5)Dozens of separatist movements in India.

Any Kinetic action that is intended to harm us will culminate in the end of the Hindutva ideology, and to an extent, the map of present-day India. INSHALLAH

Well, what a rare sight.... after thousands of posts, this is perhaps the first time you’ve managed to string together a few coherent lines, instead of flooding every thread with your round-the-clock Nooni propaganda that, for reasons best known to the management, always seems to fly under the radar

That said, you’re absolutely right, those living in glass houses should think twice before throwing stones at others. India’s obsession with engineering chaos in Pakistan conveniently overlooks the fact that it harbors far deeper cracks and fault lines of its own.... ones that are just as ripe for reciprocal exploitation.

 

[Master Chief]

The Bhakts are doing well to alienate all minorities in India, especially the Muslims. India has never been so fragmented, thanks to Modi.

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Why should this man, and many other brave Indian muslims who actually dare to speak out against india's terrorism and warmongering, be shouted down or threatened or villifed or assaulted or arrested?

I thought you people kept telling us that India is a "democracy". Even in Israel, people are allowed to speak out against their nation's warmongering. Yes, even in ISRAEL. There are routine demonstrations against the assault on Gaza, not purely for the sake of safety of the captives but also from an ethical standpoint. Some Israelis do not wish to see their nation conduct a war of aggression and terrorism in their name. The same happens in UK, USA and all civilised nations.

Think carefully Indians about what your country has become.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

I'm not convinced Pak orchestrated it a 100%.

Homegrowns (to use a Trumpian word) bhi ho skte hain.

Unusual one, this, like I said very very early on in this thread.. its a stark departure from other relatively recent (and bigger, more brazen) attacks. Pulwama, Uri..

Uri in particular, I don't know if Pak fauj have special suicide squads to do that kind of operation, or if it was these 'daura-e-khas' jihadis, highly trained and motivated "special forces"

The Pahalgam attackers were likely brainwashed and drugged out youth. Drugs are a HUGE problem in Kashmir and Punjab, it is an absolute disaster. That is entirely the doing of your khoofias' asymmetric 4th gen 5th gen whatever you call it warfare.

Very very possible these people were groomed by Pak intel indirectly somehow, but they have plausible deniability ka card.. covered their bases/trail nicely.

India are looking like fools rn, just as your former foreign minister, Sartaz Ajij was when he went around waiving a dossier.

It’s not easy to legally prove Pakistan’s involvement in terrorist attacks, even when the entire world knows it played a role. Remember Ajmal Amir Kasab—he was caught on CCTV shooting civilians during the Mumbai attacks, and yet it still took over a decade to convict him in the Supreme Court of India. You can’t fight Pakistan or groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda solely through the court of law—these are asymmetric threats that require a different approach.

 

[Sharma Ji]

I understand what you are saying, the best way is to call for an impartial investigation and then the ball really will be in Pakistans court and if Pakistan were linked India would secure a diplomatic victory.

But the way in which India has conducted itself these past 11 days shows us that the Indian establishment either has something to hide or just wants to act as an aggressor towards Pakistan and is using this incident as a pretext for it..

No, man. Its mostly the sansanikhez mainstream media and Gen Bakshi, Arnab et al .. unka bhi fayda ho raha hai, ratings, eyeballs.

Modi just said what any head of state would, "we'll find em and..."

itna toh minimum koi bhi bolega if you're the leader.

the rest is all clueless randoms on social media all excited and street pjeits doing what they do.

very noisy info environment rn

They'll sweep, clean our area first before escalating, and that escalation might not come.

IWT talk is decades away ki baat, best ignored for now.

 

[M. Sarmad]

It’s not easy to legally prove Pakistan’s involvement in terrorist attacks, ...

You don’t need to legally prove Pakistan’s involvement in Pahalgam (or any other militant attack, for that matter). All it takes is some form of credible, even mildly indicting, evidence. If you can’t produce even that, don’t expect the world to take your allegations seriously, just as we’re seeing play currently..

 

[Sharma Ji]

What kind of people are these?

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social media noise makers

 

[Pakistan First]

General Musharraf miscalculated the concept of nuclear deterrence during the 1999 Kargil War. Most Pakistanis believe that launching a nuclear weapon at India is straightforward, but that’s far from the truth. India’s Air Force, Navy, and ground forces are fully capable of preventing Pakistan from even preparing for a nuclear launch. While India’s air defense systems are designed to intercept missiles mid-air, it’s important to note that India can also target and destroy Pakistan’s nuclear installations on the ground.
Pakistan lacks nuclear submarines, which are essential for a credible deterrent. actual threat of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan is zero.

Some Pakistanis claim that they have underground nuclear installations and they are safe even from a nuclear attack. Even if that were true, a nuclear missile must surface before launch—and it can be targeted and destroyed at that very moment.

That's one hell of a day dreaming! I wonder where was your mind, when you were writing these statements? I can't imagine someone can go that far from reality.

First of all take this hot air out of your air-defense bubble. You hilariously said, indian air defense is "designed" to take air targets mid-air. That's all air-defenses of all nations do. But let's see the state of indian air defenses, Your highest ever air-alert was post 26th feb 2019. Yet Pakistan airforce came with all its might, locked indian military targets (brigade HQs), Had all the time on earth to shoot the missiles towards the brigade HQs, They fired missiles towards it and in last moment guided the missiles away, filmed the whole episode. I wonder where was your all glorified air defense? OH yes - it was shooting down its own helicopter in epic state of panic. Russia which has enormous amount of S300s, S400s, S500s is hit so many times in the most defended places like its airbases in crimea. So point is, no country on earth except Israel can stop more than 10% of incoming missiles. India won't intercept a single thing. There is no integrated layered track and interception umbrella. Buying a system is one thing and implementing a trillion dollar defense umbrella is completely another thing. Even the United States do not have such thing. They know if Russian missiles are fired, their only deterrence is to shoot back.

Now india destroying Pakistani nuclear installations is another joke. That means war and that means complete annihilation of indian nuclear installations as well. This should not be a difficult thing to understand for a sane mind. Pakistan has plethora of options to hit those indian installations time and again.

Now important point is destroying nuclear installations is different than destroying nuclear warheads. There is ZERO possibility of india to be able to destroy all nuclear warheads of Pakistan which are strategically placed in a way to survive nuclear attack. Even though submarine strike may not be required but still Pakistan has achieved this already in 2018 with nuclear capable Babur-III submarine launched CM. Test videos are available online. Update yourself.

Now bit about General Musharraf & Kargil. He did a misadventure without consulting any other service but still india didn't dared to step into Pakistan. All india did was do a war inside india and clear its own territory. Nuclear capability does not mean that you can avoid limited wars. It simply means, any existential threat is taken care of. Because enemy knows it will be MAD - Mutual assured destruction. That's the reason Pakistan has spent enormous sums of money on its conventional capabilities and according to india's own analysts Pakistan is not only a match in conventional capability but over match in some critical areas.

 

[Master Chief]

Before that think what Indians will be doing to Pakistan?

You have already annulled the IVT.

That was the only card you ever had that could harm our nation, by harming our civilians and innocent farmers. There is actually no other way in which you can harm our nation other than by bullying civilians. You would gladly starve the Indus Valley and destroy their farms, which includes btw millions of HINDU lives and livelihoods in Pakistan.

Your qom targets our civilians by direct terrorism, by harassment and expulsion of Pakistani citizens in India, by attempts to starve and disenfranchise our businesses, by imprisoning our fishermen and killing them in custody.

We know you well. You have no other cards to play. You cannot defeat our nation, protected by our military and legions of common folk who stand shoulder to shoulder with them. Now you will wait for our response to your persistent terror.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

Okay Dude :

1. Kargil war was India's 'Superior Army' Fighting for 2 months, unable to get some people off of their own Hill. Why would Pakistan use Nukes in that scenario ? Our best Nuke was laughing at India's failure at the time. What was the relevance of Nukes there ? Its not like India was within our territory. Its a godi Media talking point at best.
2. Why would Pak need Submarines to launch Nukes at India of all ? Pakistan has no intentions to circumnavigate the globe and nuke the Penguins in Antarctica. Our deterrence is made specifically with love, for you, right in your faces, with range and coverage that is more than enough for you.
3. And Pakistan has Ababeel MIRVs Missiles custom designed specifically to confuse any possible Indian defenses to failure. No need to worry. We have made fool-proof arrangements to take you with us. We have spent too much time together to leave India alone, on the Earth, or thereafter.

Regards,
Pakistan

Land-based nuclear installations can be destroyed, but submarines remain hidden deep underwater, which is why they are considered a credible form of nuclear deterrence. However, with advancements in air defense systems and maritime surveillance technologies, even submarines are becoming increasingly vulnerable. As a result, the current focus is on enhancing submarine stealth. Nuclear submarines have a key advantage—they don’t need to surface for oxygen, which significantly increases their concealment. Additionally, efforts are being made to reduce their acoustic signatures, making them quieter and even harder to detect.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Kargil war

leave that for another thread, Pak had captured peaks and held the high ground advantage.. our veers did great.

it resulted in both a military as well as diplomatic defeat for Pak but they still hold 5353.

 

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Okay agreed there, that is really uncalled for. People taking nonsense about women, wherever they are, need to be shut down.

 

[Chandragupt Maurya]

That's one hell of a day dreaming! I wonder where was your mind, when you were writing these statements? I can't imagine someone can go that far from reality.

First of all take this hot air out of your air-defense bubble. You hilariously said, indian air defense is "designed" to take air targets mid-air. That's all air-defenses of all nations do. But let's see the state of indian air defenses, Your highest ever air-alert was post 26th feb 2019. Yet Pakistan airforce came with all its might, locked indian military targets (brigade HQs), Had all the time on earth to shoot the missiles towards the brigade HQs, They fired missiles towards it and in last moment guided the missiles away, filmed the whole episode. I wonder where was your all glorified air defense? OH yes - it was shooting down its own helicopter in epic state of panic. Russia which has enormous amount of S300s, S400s, S500s is hit so many times in the most defended places like its airbases in crimea. So point is, no country on earth except Israel can stop more than 10% of incoming missiles. India won't intercept a single thing. There is no integrated layered track and interception umbrella. Buying a system is one thing and implementing a trillion dollar defense umbrella is completely another thing. Even the United States do not have such thing. They know if Russian missiles are fired, their only deterrence is to shoot back.

Now india destroying Pakistani nuclear installations is another joke. That means war and that means complete annihilation of indian nuclear installations as well. This should not be a difficult thing to understand for a sane mind. Pakistan has plethora of options to hit those indian installations time and again.

Now important point is destroying nuclear installations is different than destroying nuclear warheads. There is ZERO possibility of india to be able to destroy all nuclear warheads of Pakistan which are strategically placed in a way to survive nuclear attack. Even though submarine strike may not be required but still Pakistan has achieved this already in 2018 with nuclear capable Babur-III submarine launched CM. Test videos are available online. Update yourself.

Now bit about General Musharraf & Kargil. He did a misadventure without consulting any other service but still india didn't dared to step into Pakistan. All india did was do a war inside india and clear its own territory. Nuclear capability does not mean that you can avoid limited wars. It simply means, any existential threat is taken care of. Because enemy knows it will be MAD - Mutual assured destruction. That's the reason Pakistan has spent enormous sums of money on its conventional capabilities and according to india's own analysts Pakistan is not only a match in conventional capability but over match in some critical areas.

Your assumption that Pakistan can destroy India’s nuclear installations implies that the Pakistani military is on par with India’s—which is simply foolish.

India’s advanced air defense systems, which provide an additional layer of security isn’t even necessary in the India-Pakistan context. In the event of a full-scale war, India would eliminate Pakistan’s nuclear installations before they could be used.

While air defense systems are designed to intercept nuclear missiles mid-air, that stage is unlikely to ever be reached. As I’ve said before, the chances of a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan are zero.

 

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FFS who publishes those things ? India is now really cluthing at the straws here. You can see that one of the spillways is already open, meaning that dam is already at its capacity and cannot store more water.

If anything that is a video proving that India cannot store more water than its already doing. As the river flow increase, the dam will just open more spillways. How is that a video of water having been stopped ?

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

Before that think what Indians will be doing to Pakistan?

Do it, what are you waiting for?
For every indian action, there will always be a Disproportionate reaction from us. This cycle will continue till the conclusion.

 

[maverick]

It’s not easy to legally prove Pakistan’s involvement in terrorist attacks, even when the entire world knows it played a role. Remember Ajmal Amir Kasab—he was caught on CCTV shooting civilians during the Mumbai attacks, and yet it still took over a decade to convict him in the Supreme Court of India. You can’t fight Pakistan or groups like ISIS and Al-Qaeda solely through the court of law—these are asymmetric threats that require a different approach.

prove pakistan involvement latter, first prove 40 people died, by simply releasing their names