PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[Michael]

Anyone knows if the dual rack is available for outer rack where Pl-10e is ?

1. The closer to the wing tip, the more vulnerable the wing of the aircraft. When a fighter jet carries external weapons, the heavier the weapons are, the closer they are to the fuselage. At the same time, heavy loads affect the aerodynamic performance of the fighter jet.

2. For modern fighter jets, short-range dogfight missiles are used to save lives in emergencies. They generally use medium- and long-range BVR air-to-air missiles for offensive missions. Therefore, they usually only carry 2 short-range dogfight missiles. Some 5th-Gen fighter jets (J-35A, F-35) no longer carry short-range dogfight missiles.

Therefore, the question you raised has no meaning.
The position where the J-10C mounts the PL-10 can theoretically be changed to install a dual missile rack. But it cannot carry a heavier load, and it does not need to carry 4 PL-10.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Anyone knows if the dual rack is available for outer rack where Pl-10e is ?

Only PL-10E has been seen there (or other WVR missiles) - not even a SD-10 has been seen on that outer hardpoint to date. There was a unveiling of a dual-rack SD-10 for the under belly hardpoint at the Chinese airshow recently, so potentially the J10CE can carry 6 BVRS of 4xPL15 and 2xSD10's in the very latest standard/configuration.

The F16 can carry AMRAAMs on the outer most hardpoint on the wingtip, so we can assume it is a design limitation of why the J10C cannot do that on the outer most hardpoint.

Not sure in modern "jet on jet" combat there is much value in more BVR missiles than 6, as the host platform may well be shot down if it stays in the combat area long enough to shoot off more than 6 missiles. The J10CE and JF17 can only track 4 targets at anypoint anyhow, so there is that limitation to contend with aswell.

If you are using BVR missiles to shoot down drones, then you are doing something wrong. So, there is value in having the ability to carry more cheaper WVR missiles to take care of a mass load of drones, so a rack that can do 2 or even 4 PL-10s on a single rack could be a development direction, as that is cheaper choice to take of drones than IADS missiles or BVR missiles. (Maybe something cheaper than a PL-10(or use older stocks of missiles) or a new cheaper missile needs to be developed to address the drone threat?)).

The iranian TP1/2 event showed the futility of using $1M BVR missiles to shoot down $50k Shaheed drones ...

 

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Are these "silent" jets?

 

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[studsmart]

J10C is an enormous plane - size with quality do matter here. a 4.5 gen fighter with 5th gen DNA

 

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[hussain0216]

I think PAF may be "saving up" resources of the induction of the J35, which is great, I would love to see that plane inducted in decent numbers

And if the J35 is coming in the next 24 months then great, I suppose we can wait


But if not, then I think we just need another order of J10Cs just to keep us competitive
36-50 backed up by JF17s Block 3 and F16s are fine and it would give us more time to induct the J35

 

[FuturePAF]

We have to remember that India’s military, and especially their Air Force has a very Soviet/Russian style of fighting. The Soviets had two Air Force, one for long range strikes and one for territorial defense; hence why the MiG-21 was used in 2019, and why the “heavier” planes were used in the long range strikes in 2025. India is moving towards and Israeli Air Force style of fighting but isn’t quite there yet.

The thing that is in common between the Russians and Israelis are the use of Air defenses; SAMs. Especially after the poor showing by the IAF, we need to expect India will build up a dense air defense network, and INHO, we need dedicated SEAD aircraft; J-10s with more powerful engines to be able to carry a full suite of dedicated jammers and PL-17 ranged anti radiation missiles.

 

[majesticpug]

I think PAF may be "saving up" resources of the induction of the J35, which is great, I would love to see that plane inducted in decent numbers

And if the J35 is coming in the next 24 months then great, I suppose we can wait


But if not, then I think we just need another order of J10Cs just to keep us competitive
36-50 backed up by JF17s Block 3 and F16s are fine and it would give us more time to induct the J35

Pakistan has lots of time because India will not be able to get F35 anytime soon. Even if they signed a deal today, they won't get the first batch in three to five years. PAF should get another squadron of J10C as India increases its number of Rafales and acquires Meteors.

 

[wanglaokan]

Pakistan's Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar said in his speech at the National Assembly of Pakistan that Pakistan shot down Indian fighter jets, including Rafale fighter jets, all of which were J-10C fighter jets.

 

[Khanivore]

I won't be surprised if PAF now wants another batch of further improved J-10s.