Indian false flag and current Indo-Pak stand-off updates

[Waz]

Rafale lemon and mirch mla is back

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Lol hahaha, oh dear. More uncle videos needed.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

because you cant answer this without digging yourself a deeper hole...

Fine i will respond in this manner
question: Who let Abhinandan go back home?

 

[Oscar]

Fine i will respond in this manner
question: Who let Abhinandan go back home?

Hybrid PTI+establishment government

Just as this Hybrid government will do if needed.

Regardless of Type of Chief in charge - in a NSC meeting there are all voices to placate and each individual has agency(and “cards”) they bring in.

Because they ALL fear for their seats.
IK just was less “fearful” because he was kept up by sycophants and his mrs mellisandre assuring him his appeal was enough.

Btw - this was the SAME attitude Nawaz Sharif had before Musharraf thinking he was widely adored and has enough control that nothing could happen to him.

But then within the establishment itself Gen B also thought the same until it came to the situation and he found himself out of agency fast while Munir built up his power.

Him, Bhutto, Napoleon and so on.

Power is power - it’s built with relationships, aligned interests and money combined with constant upkeep and monitoring.

As soon as you lapse - for IK it was his loins that got him into trouble - NS it was Tikkay - Bajwa it was Papa Johns - you’re out.

 

[suriya]

Not to quibble too much but if Marathas really represented the Indian 'nation' then as late as 1857 there wouldn't be the Indian Mutiny / War of Independence which had backed the central ruler in Delhi which were the Mughals.

History of Mughal and Maraths are complicated.
Marathas reached Delhi in 1750s and made the Mughals as the titular head for times to come. They fought the Panipat which was 50Km away from Delhi and not with Mughals but Afghans. When Rohila Pasthun attacked Mughals, it was the Maratha that came to Delhi and saved the Mughal Badshah and his princesses. Maratha lost to the British 1820. During the revolt in 1857 they again declared Mughal Badshah their titular head as both Hindus and Muslims needed to could come together to fight off the British. The revolt was lost to Punjabi soldiers who aided the British.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

because you cant answer this without digging yourself a deeper hole...

You Wont answer but i will answer for you
Scenerio 1 :
Bajwa authorized it and if so then Imran is not a force is he if buckled under Bajwa or may it be international community...
Scenario 2 : Imran made the decision himself even then its naive of him to show mercy to low life enemy..every body in India is not Sunil gavaskar....
either case that one decision is merely one example out of many of his limited thought process when dealing with enemy or may it be international politics..
Yes he is a cricketer but he have never shouldered a funeral of fellow soldier who when in frontlines is more than a friend and more than a brother... something you will not understand...Its easy to change colors from playboy to Jinnah dressing and into tasbeeh mode, a little 3 months of hardship and you still have a grudge... go take that grudge out on Bajwa after all it was Bajwa not Asim munir who ruined Imran's reign... so its Bajwa vs imran
and you guys have turned it into army vs imran
guess what's common between India and Imran
TALIBAN do you see which side your best Buddies Taliban are standing?

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

Hybrid PTI+establishment government

Just as this Hybrid government will do if needed.

Regardless of Type of Chief in charge - in a NSC meeting there are all voices to placate and each individual has agency(and “cards”) they bring in.

Because they ALL fear for their seats.
IK just was less “fearful” because he was kept up by sycophants and his mrs mellisandre assuring him his appeal was enough.

Btw - this was the SAME attitude Nawaz Sharif had before Musharraf thinking he was widely adored and has enough control that nothing could happen to him.

But then within the establishment itself Gen B also thought the same until it came to the situation and he found himself out of agency fast while Munir built up his power.

Him, Bhutto, Napoleon and so on.

Power is power - it’s built with relationships, aligned interests and money combined with constant upkeep and monitoring.

As soon as you lapse - for IK it was his loins that got him into trouble - NS it was Tikkay - Bajwa it was Papa Johns - you’re out.

If it was Hybrid then Imran is not that promised messiah or independent minded leader is he?

 

[Oscar]

If it was Hybrid then Imran is not that promised messiah or independent minded leader is he?

He never was - just slightly more stubborn but more so towards those he considers his subordinates

 

[suriya]

PN keeping eyes on IN p8.

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What is this? I mean nobody claimed p8i is an invisible aircraft.

 

[Meengla]

That’s all I can add. Shooting yourself in the foot because you brought a populist leader who had middle class backing and then going back to your old playbooks from partition when the entire country is running in a different mode just shows your own ineptitude regardless of all the fishing for sympathy ISPR is throwing out

Pakistani Establishment doesn't need to smooch up to anyone. The current hybrid system was already stablizing before this crisis with India started and the economy also pulled back from the near-default. The Imran bubble was already bursting: It is one thing to have the electoral power--that too gained after he was allowed to tap into the Anti Americanism in Pakistan for a whole year. If his policies were that popular then he would have called for Early Elections late 2021, which was his Const right. But he wasn't as popular until his 'Chooran' got sold and going forward he will immediately lose a lot of his 'appeal' when the masses, always expecting quick returns, wouldn't see the benefits.
Heck, this idiot, as a sitting PM of Pakistan, was openly blaming America to remove him from power when a single stroke of Biden's pen would have caused catastrophic losses to the Pakistani economy: You live in America and you should know that. THAT's the caliber of 'leader' he is. Imran, Nawaz and Altaf are poison for Pakistan due to their personalities!

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

He never was - just slightly more stubborn but more so towards those he considers his subordinates

Then his stubbornness can cost Pakistan a lot... its not cricket where match over and on to the dressing room... International politics is ugly business and stubborn cant survive for long in international community..
Don't believe me go ask Hitler
another example MODI
NAWAZ sharif is also side lined what you have to say about that?

 

[Distant_Observer]

Scenerio 1 :
Bajwa authorized it and if so then Imran is not a force is he if buckled under Bajwa or may it be international community...
Scenario 2 : Imran made the decision himself even then its naive of him to show mercy to low life enemy..every body in India is not Sunil gavaskar....
either case that one decision is merely one example out of many of his limited thought process when dealing with enemy or may it be international politics..
Yes he is a cricketer but he have never shouldered a funeral of fellow soldier who when in frontlines is more than a friend and more than a brother... something you will not understand...Its easy to change colors from playboy to Jinnah dressing and into tasbeeh mode, a little 3 months of hardship and you still have a grudge... go take that grudge out on Bajwa after all it was Bajwa not Asim munir who ruined Imran's reign... so its Bajwa vs imran
and you guys have turned it into army vs imran
guess what's common between India and Imran
TALIBAN do you see which side your best Buddies Taliban are standing?

I don't think IK had the capacity to consider national security. He never seemed interested. He treats it like an unwelcomed distraction.

His lax attitude towards the western border, he is completely ignorant to the realities.

Obviously it was his idea to release the captured pilot.

 

[omegalamba7xl9]

I don't think IK had the capacity to consider national security. He never seemed interested. He treats it like an unwelcomed distraction.

His lax attitude towards the eastern border, he is completely ignorant to the realities.

Obviously it was his idea to release the captured pilot.

HUN DASSO ?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Looks like the Pak folks have figured out the dates of the Bharati attack, based on understanding Hindu astrology and Modi's past behavior....

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[Mustang125]

Chalo choro politics, ek aur meme enjoy karo

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[Meengla]

Bajwa authorized it and if so then Imran is not a force is he if buckled under Bajwa or may it be international community...

Arey Bhai: You are wasting your breath with people who claim that it was Imran who shot down the Indian aircraft and still complain that Imran wasn't allowed enough power. You are wasting breath with the people who claim it was America who brought down Imran and then plead with the Americans to restore him to power. What a farce!
When will people realize that Imran was an idiot who was propped to power the same way as the ones before him. Others too complained--from Benazir Bhutto in 1990 to Nawaz in mid 2010s and for multiple times but, unlike Imran, they were used by the Pakistani Establishment to discredit each other while Imran was painted a saint, and despite losing power in April 2022, Imran was allowed a year to freely tap into the Pakistanis' Anti Americanism to restore his credentials until he did the ultimate mistake of May 9, 2023.
My own position is this: Pakistani Establishment should be weaned out of power but gradually in such a way that Pakistan's security is not compromised. The alternate leadership should be competent and cohesive--qualities which Imran eminently lacks because he is an institution into himself and is arrogant too. Until such a political evolution happens, Pakistan needs a hybrid system for the next 15-20 years to devise and implement policies: Stability, peace and continuity of policies is what Pakistan needs above. Pakistan has a powerful enemy ready to pounce on it; there is no room for errors.