Iran Foreign Policy and Doctrine

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[mangekyo]

The IR has proven that it is unwilling to weaponize the program. So, it's a decision by the leadership. And it makes no difference to them.

There is absolutely no evidence that Iran's nuclear program has had a military dimension since 2003. Iran has enough fissile material for 4-8 nuclear bombs now but the leadership seems uninterested in a nuclear weapons program. The current situation is stupid and it has to be settled.

So much drama and loss of billions if not trillions of dollar over a civilian program? It’s too retarded to be believable

 

[ShapurII]

So much drama and loss of billions if not trillions of dollar over a civilian program? It’s too retarded to be believable

The only explanation is treason. Nothing else justifies what the Islamic Republic has done to this country with this useless nuclear program.

After the Iraq-Iran war, which was imposed on our country by a pan-Arab psychopath and a bunch of gullible Mullahs that overlooked Iraqi war preparations, the IR had the chance to save our future generations from living in hell but instead, they chose to screw three consecutive generations of our youths over a stupid nuclear program that is absolutely useless for civilian purposes and it has failed to secure our national interests by failing to achieve nuclear deterrence.
If anything, our 3-decade long nuclear adventure has put us in a more vulnerable position both regionally and globally by causing a slow but painful social decay over economic issues caused by sanctions. And it's hard to believe that all of this has led to nothing, unlike past examples (China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, etc.)

You really can't make this shit up.

 

[BigMela2onin]

And it's hard to believe that all of this has led to nothing, unlike past examples (China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, etc.)

You really can't make this shit up.

Khamenei did more to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons than any CIA/Mossad sabotage or assassination ever did.

 

[mangekyo]

The only explanation is treason. Nothing else justifies what the Islamic Republic has done to this country with this useless nuclear program.

After the Iraq-Iran war, which was imposed on our country by a pan-Arab psychopath and a bunch of gullible Mullahs that overlooked Iraqi war preparations, the IR had the chance to save our future generations from living in hell but instead, they chose to screw three consecutive generations of our youths over a stupid nuclear program that is absolutely useless for civilian purposes and it has failed to secure our national interests by failing to achieve nuclear deterrence.
If anything, our 3-decade long nuclear adventure has put us in a more vulnerable position both regionally and globally by causing a slow but painful social decay over economic issues caused by sanctions. And it's hard to believe that all of this has led to nothing, unlike past examples (China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, etc.)

You really can't make this shit up.

Incompetence at this level? Something doesn’t add up. They are either trying hard , but unable to build the bomb, or already did (or at least reached a point where they can build it whenever necessary) if the nuclear program is purely civilian and has cost us this much, I don’t believe even IRI is this incompetent.

 

[ShapurII]

Incompetence at this level? Something doesn’t add up. They are either trying hard , but unable to build the bomb, or already did (or at least reached a point where they can build it whenever necessary) if the nuclear program is purely civilian and has cost us this much, I don’t believe even IRI is this incompetent.

It is impossible not to be able to build the bomb. Even the ISIS and the Taliban, or the HTS can build a gun-type weapon possessing enough highly-enriched uranium.

The only plausible explanation is that somebody at the highest level of the country is a Russian/Chinese agent and they don't want Iran to be a nuclear state.

The program is also purely useless for civilian purposes. This enrichment program cannot sustain even 5% of our needs per year. If you import 95% of your enriched uranium from Russia, you can import 100% of your enriched uranium as well. 5% doesn't make any difference, specially when it's costing you trillions of dollars due to international sanctions.

Khamenei did more to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons than any CIA/Mossad sabotage or assassination ever did.

True. He also canceled Iran's ICBM program.

 

[mangekyo]

It is impossible not to be able to build the bomb. Even the ISIS and the Taliban, or the HTS can build a gun-type weapon possessing enough highly-enriched uranium.

The only plausible explanation is that somebody at the highest level of the country is a Russian/Chinese agent and they don't want Iran to be a nuclear state.

The program is also purely useless for civilian purposes. This enrichment program cannot sustain even 5% of our needs per year. If you import 95% of your enriched uranium from Russia, you can import 100% of your enriched uranium as well. 5% doesn't make any difference, specially when it's costing you trillions of dollars due to international sanctions.


True. He also canceled Iran's ICBM program.

If Iran is truly capable of building the bomb, but has decided not to. There is only one person in all of Iran that has the power to rule wether Iran gets the bomb or not. Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting?

If IRI is really capable of building the bomb but has decided not to. The only explanation is that IRI is using the nuclear program as an excuse to enrich themselves through sanctions busting. So we need to look at who it is that gains the most from sanctions busting and who loses the most from lifting of sanctions

 

[ShapurII]

If Iran is truly capable of building the bomb, but has decided not to. There is only one person in all of Iran that has the power to rule wether Iran gets the bomb or not. Are you suggesting what I think you are suggesting?

Yes, I am suggesting that Khamenei and his shills obey what Russia and China decide for Iran. The situation with the reformists is not so much different either. We're back to the era of Qajar. And there is no other valid explanation.

If IRI is really capable of building the bomb but has decided not to. The only explanation is that IRI is using the nuclear program as an excuse to enrich themselves through sanctions busting. So we need to look at who it is that gains the most from sanctions busting and who loses the most from lifting of sanctions

No, that is not a reasonable explanation. First of all, the regime of Iran needs to ensure that it remains in power. I'm sure they have seen quite well how Syria fell in 11 days and Russia did nothing to save Syria. The same goes for Saddam's Iraq. Secondly, the income of busting sanctions for the Mullahs ruling over Iran is peanuts compared to what trade with the West can provide. The children of all these anti-American mouthpieces live in countries with extremely close ties to the US.

 

[mangekyo]

Yes, I am suggesting that Khamenei and his shills obey what Russia and China decide for Iran. The situation with the reformists is not so much different either. We're back to the era of Qajar. And there is no other valid explanation.


No, that is not a reasonable explanation. First of all, the regime of Iran needs to ensure that it remains in power. I'm sure they have seen quite well how Syria fell in 11 days and Russia did nothing to save Syria. The same goes for Saddam's Iraq. Secondly, the income of busting sanctions for the Mullahs ruling over Iran is peanuts compared to what trade with the West can provide. The children of all these anti-American mouthpieces live in countries with extremely close ties to the US.

You’re saying Iran didn’t want to kneel for the west so they kneel for the east instead? What you are suggesting isn’t realistic because it’s basically a self fulfilling prophecy. If the leadership will do anything to stay in power, they wouldn’t make enemies with the west. US has no beef with Iran. If Iran ditched the proxies and stopped threatening the US, the leadership would be safe. Yes, they would need to take orders from the US, but if they are already taking orders from the east, what’s the difference? At least with the west, Iran would be rich.

 

[ShapurII]

You’re saying Iran didn’t want to kneel for the west so they kneel for the east instead? What you are suggesting isn’t realistic because it’s basically a self fulfilling prophecy. If the leadership will do anything to stay in power, they wouldn’t make enemies with the west. US has no beef with Iran. If Iran ditched the proxies and stopped threatening the US, the leadership would be safe. Yes, they would need to take orders from the US, but if they are already taking orders from the east, what’s the difference? At least with the west, Iran would be rich.

None of the things you said in any way contradicts the idea that the right wing in Iran serves the interests of the Eastern bloc while the left wing serves the interests of the Western bloc.
They made enemies with the West when they took American diplomats hostage and chanted "Down with Israel".
It's funny you're proposing that knowing full-well that the same situation existed in Iran for over a century during the Qajar era and it is quite clear that it still exists today. One quick review of our relationship with Russia is more than enough to see how mutual it has been for the past 3 decades.

 

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[LittleFish]

The only plausible explanation is that somebody at the highest level of the country is a Russian/Chinese agent and they don't want Iran to be a nuclear state.

Yes, I am suggesting that Khamenei and his shills obey what Russia and China decide for Iran. The situation with the reformists is not so much different either. We're back to the era of Qajar. And there is no other valid explanation.

I never know China or Russia has so much influence on Iran as you said. For Khomeini, US was the grand Satan, USSR was the junior Satan, and we Chinese were commie kuffars, neither could be trusted, and apparently his will has been inherited.

IRI has been the most independent regime in the world so far, and its cooperation with Russia and China is all out of national interest. I see no country can push IRI to obey, even the US sanctioning IRI for 40+ years.

Mentioning Qatar, so you must know it was Russia that tore Azerbaijan from Iran like what China suffered in the same era, but it doesn’t matter you cooperate with Russia now. We don’t owe Iran historically, and in fact Sino-Persia relation had been friendly since ancient times, the last prince Pirooz of Sassanid Persia was sheltered in China.

If there are our agents in your leaderships, then our investment would be far more than now, but the reality is we are blocked to some extent. Conspiracy doesn’t lead to success.

 

[ShapurII]

I never know China or Russia has so much influence on Iran as you said. For Khomeini, US was the grand Satan, USSR was the junior Satan, and we Chinese were commie kuffars, neither could be trusted, and apparently his will has been inherited.

Khomeini, yes. He did consider you commie infidels, Khamenei is different though. He has this delusion of being a Shiite revolutionary leader and forming a strategic alliance with China and Russia to stand against the Western imperialism. Not to mention that some people, including the Russians, have suggested that he's a graduate of Patrice Lumumba University.

IRI has been the most independent regime in the world so far, and its cooperation with Russia and China is all out of national interest. I see no country can push IRI to obey, even the US sanctioning IRI for 40+ years.

I don't see how our cooperation with China serves our national interests. Care to explain that? Other than buying Iranian oil at a discount for the last couple of years, how has China served our interests since 2009 specifically? Because the majority of events in our recent shared history since 1983 points to the opposite of that. I can name a few, in fact a long list, if you want me to.

Mentioning Qatar, so you must know it was Russia that tore Azerbaijan from Iran like what China suffered in the same era, but it doesn’t matter you cooperate with Russia now. We don’t owe Iran historically, and in fact Sino-Persia relation had been friendly since ancient times, the last prince Pirooz of Sassanid Persia was sheltered in China.

I never claimed you owed us anything, did I? China does not owe Iran anything. Yet, it doesn't change what I said in any way. Khamenei serves the interests of the Eastern neo-commie bloc (i.e. Russia and China)

If there are our agents in your leaderships, then our investment would be far more than now, but the reality is we are blocked to some extent. Conspiracy doesn’t lead to success.

The reality is that the status quo of Iran (international isolation and crippling sanctions without any nuclear deterrence) aligns perfectly with China's and Russia's regional and global interests. And China has been doing her best to keep the status quo.

Your investments are low because you prefer to trade with the US for the obvious fact that the US economy is clearly a much superior option and if you trade with Iran, you will be targeted by US secondary sanctions. I'm not sure if it was you or some other Chinese member here, but when your countrymen were angry and saying things that China should do this or do that to counter the US globally, I clearly said that China would not challenge the US and either wait out Trump or reach a temporary agreement with the US for now. And a few weeks after that, the US and China reached a settlement over the trade war, as expected.

 

[LittleFish]

I don't see how our cooperation with China serves our national interests. Care to explain that? Other than buying Iranian oil at a discount for the last couple of years, how has China served our interests since 2009 specifically?

Okay, if you think buying your oil despite the pressure from the West can’t be counted
as supporting you, then I have nothing to say. There’re plenty of oil sellers in the world, but big buyers dare to buy your oil are rare. If there is no discount, why should we take the risk to buy yours? Russia is under the same sanction as Iran, and only China and India dare to buy their oil, of course with discount. Please don’t say that buying with discount is robbery rather than support, since other countries choose not to buy even with discount. You do need buyers, aren’t you?

BTW, I’d like to remind you that in recent years most of sold cars have been electrical in China, only a few people would like to buy oil-cars, and second-hand oil-cars are just like rubbish in price——you buy an oil-car for 100k, and after 2 years you can’t even sell it for 30k! Oil is becoming less and less needed for us, while oil fields are being discovered here and there. You can see GCC countries trying their best to expand their share of crude import of China, since US is emerging to be the biggest oil seller. Oil is not dollar, you can’t put it in the bank and expect to get interest, if you don’t sell it, others do.

 

[LittleFish]

The reality is that the status quo of Iran (international isolation and crippling sanctions without any nuclear deterrence) aligns perfectly with China's and Russia's regional and global interests. And China has been doing her best to keep the status quo.

Don’t you think the biggest reason for status quo is your incapability in making nukes? North Korea did it despite disastrous economy and heavy sanctions. China made nukes with very limited conditions.

The last chance for Iran to detonate the first bomb was right after Soleimani got killed, but you wasted it and just fired missiles to US bases making some meaningless craters.