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Davey Crockett
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Gonna log off for awhile. Some good hockey on tonight.
Lulldapull
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From what my brain tellin me on dis India/ Pak imbroglio is dat dis ain't nutthin but a US/ China tiff in de extended sphere.
Trumps told modi to expose Chinese defense tech out in de open.
Anyone with half an ounce of brain can quickly figure dis out in less dan a minute, if even hes half interested on da subject.
So fukking obvious gents.........No need ta look beyond dis narrative here.
Trumps told modi to expose Chinese defense tech out in de open.
Anyone with half an ounce of brain can quickly figure dis out in less dan a minute, if even hes half interested on da subject.
So fukking obvious gents.........No need ta look beyond dis narrative here.
Sharma Ji
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mamla thunda sa chal raha ae
Lulldapull
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I’m shifting to de other forum cuz here it’s just jingoism prevalent
Sharma Ji
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anyone there ?
Lulldapull
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Many now
Goenitz
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Kher I think we should own that we supported Kashmir struggle besides what Khawja said earlier. it is about the context, which often gets misunderstood or misrepresented in discussions about Pakistan’s past policies.
Yes, Pakistan did support the Mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and extended political and moral support to freedom movements in Kashmir—but this was during the pre-9/11 era. At the time, this support was consistent with the geopolitical dynamics of the Cold War and was even coordinated with Western powers, particularly the United States.
This is not unprecedented in global politics. Nations, including the West, have often supported armed opposition groups under international legal frameworks. For instance, the UN Charter’s Chapter VII (or some other) allows the UN Security Council to take military or non-military action in response to threats to peace, breaches of peace, or acts of aggression like supporting FSA. While Pakistan had no world or US support but it framed its polcies in the context of opposing foreign occupation and supporting what was then seen by many in the Muslim world as liberation struggles.
However, everything changed after 9/11. Pakistan reversed course entirely, aligning with the international community against terrorism. Since then, Pakistan has not supported any such group and, in fact, has borne the brunt of the fallout: over 90,000 lives lost, and an economic toll exceeding $100 billion due to terrorism and instability.
To understand Pakistan’s historical position, one must acknowledge the context of the times. Calling earlier resistance movements "terrorism" without historical nuance is like calling Udham Singh or participants of the 1857 War of Independence (also called the "Sepoy Mutiny" by the British) terrorists. These were freedom fighters to their people, and their labelling depended heavily on perspective and the prevailing narrative of power.
In essence:
- Pakistan's support in the past was shaped by geopolitical context and was widely accepted at the time.
- Post-9/11, Pakistan decisively broke from those policies.
- Today, Pakistan is a victim of the very groups it once indirectly supported, a painful irony it continues to pay for.
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