Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Perhaps you were around in past 30 or so years... I'll run with that assumption so correct me...

Muslims gathered the world over to and landed in Afghanistan... I'll come back to it later.

Before that however allies under different banners... communist or capitalist, fought in conjunction... primarily against Israel from the very get go... the secular Egypt and Salafist Saud... Later Saddam, the Bathist secular and even Qaddafi.

Back to Afghan war against Soviets... it sold the banners problem and made Muslim unity or cohesion the most immediate and imminent challenge. Early 2000s played the opposite lesson therefore, from it's predecessor. Egyptians and Jordanian are on the dole... Syria, Iraq and Libya smashed into docile mush and GCC toothless. Pakistan humbled from its economic woes...
It hasn't been a cakewalk but it has been chalked through though... purposeful destabilization to a point NO ONE holds the mic in the Muslim world! It was NEVER so aimless or rudderless as it is today. Guys like Erdagon feigned others don't even try! Afghans just walked out of occupation and Pakistan's former premier sits in a cell.

You just described fait accompli...
So again, who have we to blame? There’s an amazing book called “How the West Stole Democracy from the Arabs” by Elizabeth Thompson that describes a constitutional convention held in Damascus in 1920 that was composed of delegates — all men — from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Palestine.

They hammer out a compromise among the different groups represented, forging a pluralistic constitutional monarchy. They declare independence and name Faisal, who had partnered with T.E. Lawrence during the Arab Revolt during World War I, king of this nascent Arab Kingdom. That summer, the French sent an army into the kingdom and defeated it. Faisal was forced to flee from Syria to British-mandated Palestine.

The legacy of the resistance encountered by the British and the French continues to shape the region. Since the Arab uprising in 2011, we’ve seen the reemergence of fracture points in places where people have pushed to achieve a new post-Ottoman identity that had been suppressed by the British, the French, and, in some cases, by the Turks.

The Kurds are at the nexus of this reemergence as they continue to fight for their own nation state. There is the ongoing civil war in Syria. That’s a country where various groups were vying for power during the 1920s. Of course, the Israel-Palestine issue remains unresolved. The situation in Libya remains unresolved.

These are echoes of conflicts from a century ago that are resonating again in the present. It shows that the situation in the Middle East is the result of local interactions and conflicts, not Western diplomats sitting in Paris and drawing lines on a map.
 
So again, who have we to blame? There’s an amazing book called “How the West Stole Democracy from the Arabs” by Elizabeth Thompson that describes a constitutional convention held in Damascus in 1920 that was composed of delegates — all men — from Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Palestine.

They hammer out a compromise among the different groups represented, forging a pluralistic constitutional monarchy. They declare independence and name Faisal, who had partnered with T.E. Lawrence during the Arab Revolt during World War I, king of this nascent Arab Kingdom. That summer, the French sent an army into the kingdom and defeated it. Faisal was forced to flee from Syria to British-mandated Palestine.

The legacy of the resistance encountered by the British and the French continues to shape the region. Since the Arab uprising in 2011, we’ve seen the reemergence of fracture points in places where people have pushed to achieve a new post-Ottoman identity that had been suppressed by the British, the French, and, in some cases, by the Turks.

The Kurds are at the nexus of this reemergence as they continue to fight for their own nation state. There is the ongoing civil war in Syria. That’s a country where various groups were vying for power during the 1920s. Of course, the Israel-Palestine issue remains unresolved. The situation in Libya remains unresolved.

These are echoes of conflicts from a century ago that are resonating again in the present. It shows that the situation in the Middle East is the result of local interactions and conflicts, not Western diplomats sitting in Paris and drawing lines on a map.
I may sound like someone you may have heard "Why not before that"?

Political boundaries and internal ideologies mold masses to newer realities. Syrians and Egyptian union for instance back in the day but where are they today?
What once Ottomans did, got subsequently entrusted to Brits, French and Soviets... and their areas of influence... their cultivated elites/ideologues.
Most major event since then has been the creation of Israel and obstructing Palestine... from the very get-go... Balfour declaration and the British Mandate... obviating the existing and/or allowing them autonomy, even a veneer of it...
Handed down to the US after second world war and as I posted previously, got adopted by Truman and his domestic compulsions... but later US ran with it!
Israel also championed its existence as a western outpost, an aircraft carrier for the US against the godless Soviets and now as part of the original intent a bridge, a conduit and a manager of European Energy security, resources in both men and material with equal input in tech and finance.

Make no mistake, US allows pay to play and AIPAC has roped in the show not without reason!

So, yes what you have described could be considered a callous observation or purposeful diversion but not the organic state of political and bilateral affairs of the people in that region, regardless of their faith/religion. As it stands, Ottomans ruled a massive Christian community in native Arab, Armenians, Greeks, Copts and Slavs... Jews fleeing Europe or Russian Empire and Yezidi communities etc...

The point being that transplant didn't really work.
 
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I may sound like someone you may have heard "Why not before that"?

Political boundaries and internal ideologies mold masses to newer realities. Syrians and Egyptians for instance back in the day but where are they today?
What once Ottomans did got subsequently entrusted to Brits, French and Soviets... and their areas of influence... their cultivated elites/ideologues.
Most major event since then has been the creation of Israel and obstructing Palestine... from the very get-go... Balfour declaration and the British Mandate... obviating the existence and allowing them autonomy, even a veneer of it...
Handed down to the US after second world war and as I posted previously, got adopted by Truman and his domestic compulsions... but later US ran with it!
Israel also championed its existence as a western outpost, an aircraft carrier for the US against the godless Soviets and now as part of the original intent a bridge, conduit and manager of European Energy security, resources in both men and material with equal input in tech and finance.

Make no mistake, US allows pay to play and AIPAC has roped in the show not without reason!

So, yes what you have described could be considered a callous observation or purposeful diversion but not the organic state political and bilateral affairs of the people in that region, regardless of their faith/religion. As it stands, Ottomans ruled a massive Christian community in native Arab, Armenians, Greeks, Copts and Slavs... and
A fair point and one well made.
 
The journey of the Jews historically for the past thousand years
*A short historical sequence relating to the relationship of peoples with the Jews during the past thousand years*

1080 – Expulsion from France.
1098 – Expulsion from the Czech Republic.
1113 - Expulsion from Kievan Rus (Vladimir Monomakh).
1113 – Massacre of Jews in Kiev.
1147 – Expulsion from France.
1171 – Expulsion from Italy.
1188 – Expulsion from England.
1198 – Expulsion from England.
1290 – Expulsion from England.
1298 - Expulsion from Switzerland (100 Jews executed by hanging).
1306 – Expulsion from France (3,000 burned alive).
1360 – Expulsion from Hungary.
1391 - Expulsion from Spain (30,000 executed, 5,000 burned alive).
1394 – Expulsion from France.
1407 – Expulsion from Poland.
1492 – Expulsion from Spain (law prohibiting Jews from entering the country forever).
1492 – Expulsion from Sicily.
1495 - Expulsion from Lithuania and Kiev.
1496 – Expulsion from Portugal.
1510 – Expulsion from England.
1516 – Expulsion from Portugal.
1516 - A law in Sicily allowed Jews to live only in ghettos.
1541 – Expulsion from Austria.
1555 – Expulsion from Portugal.
1555 - A law was issued in Rome allowing Jews to live in ghettos only.
1567 – Expulsion from Italy.
1570 – Expulsion from Germany (Brandenburg).
1580 – Expulsion from Novgorod (Ivan the Terrible).
1592 – Expulsion from France.
1616 – Expulsion from Switzerland.
1629 – Expulsion from Spain and Portugal (Philip IV).
1634 – Expulsion from Switzerland.
1655 – Expulsion from Switzerland.
1660 – Expulsion from Kyiv.
1701 – Complete expulsion from Switzerland (Edict of Philip V).
1806 - Napoleon's ultimatum. Badarja.
1828 – Expulsion from Kyiv.
1933 – Expulsion from Germany and genocide.

*This is their history, and all the peoples of the world have not tolerated it
Now they occupy Arab land
They established a country on a land that was not theirs!!!

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Something very important to note here is that there is not one Muslim country on this list, despite huge populations of Jews having lived in Muslim lands. The Western countries are the biggest hypocrites to ever live. The West invented anti-semitism and then project their own racism on Muslim countries when there is not historical evidence.
 
Something very important to note here is that there is not one Muslim country on this list, despite huge populations of Jews having lived in Muslim lands. The Western countries are the biggest hypocrites to ever live. The West invented anti-semitism and then project their own racism on Muslim countries when there is not historical evidence.
I have noticed as I know that the only countries where Jews lived peacefully were Muslim countries..and the Muslim Empire in general..
 
You don't seem to truly understand: @VCheng is truly a mouthpiece of the Neo Cons!! I don't know why you Mentioned him and he, predictably, rose to defend the Neo Con Biden in his response to you. There are some who are wolves in sheep's clothes. And then there are some who are wolves in wolves clothes, meaning obvious who they are, and he is one of the latter ones. Forum beware!!

Here--the NY Times is not a 'Zealot' , on the contrary, is a known mouthpiece of the Democrats and Israel but even they are saying the Biden admin's symbolic targeting of the Israeli Settlers is to pander to the Arab/Muslim votes while Biden is in Michigan for election campaign.



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The White House announced the sanctions just hours before Mr. Biden held a campaign event in Michigan, a critical battleground state that has a large Arab American population and has been the site of numerous protests over the war in Gaza.
The reason I communicate with him and respect his different opinions to mine own is because he brings a different perspective.

Sometimes you have to take the bitter with the sweet.
 
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I am sorry to disagree with you. If you want truly different opinion then even @Antonius123 is better. This guy absolutely writes one liners, trolls while desperately tries to hide his love for the Neo Cons.

What perspective he gave about Biden giving a slap on the wrist on the Settlers?? He just defended Biden while rediculing this forum. The NY Times article I quoted above was even more explicit earlier in saying that Biden gave a slap on the wrist on the FOUR Settlers to try to get the Arab/Muslim votes in Michigan--an act widely ridiculed as a sham and yet this guy quickly rose to defend the Neo Con Biden.
There was no alternative perspective. He never can because of who he is!!
Well you are welcome to disagree with me. But you can’t tell me who I can and can’t engage with. I’m an old man, like “old old” I think I’ve lived long enough to earn that right 😂
 
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