PAF J-10CE News, Updates and Discussion

[muhammad.mehdi88]

this is the most circulated news !!

Pakistanis mourn Martyrdom of Squadron Leader Usman Yousaf in Bholari Air Base Attack - Pakistan Observer

ISLAMABAD – Pakistan and India finally agree to ceasefire after days of military escalation and dozens of deaths, including martyrdom…

pakobserver.net

Hi,

Please share any news link that you may have or the page on this forum.

May Allah bless their souls with His mercy.

 

[Harbyharb]

ZDK-03 has been second lined and effectively mothballed- one off is being considered for an upgrade. Other avenues of communication are available.

No individual was ever highlighted or indicated - just that PAF did this as an institution.

I have yet to hear from any credible source (unless you count Indian news) that the ZDK-03s have been mothballed. And I would like to insist that, if not ZDK-03, some sort of AWACS were present during the conflict

The Pakistani reconstruction of events infographics clearly depicted what looks like an AWACS orbit, with it silouhette fairly closely resembling a turboprop platform, and given the vastness of the battlespace and the immense number of airframes involved, I find it very hard to believe that the either ZDK-03 or the SAAB erieye has been absent.

I and happy to discuss this issue further if you have any more opinions or arguements.

 

[Oscar]

I have yet to hear from any credible source (unless you count Indian news) that the ZDK-03s have been mothballed. And I would like to insist that, if not ZDK-03, some sort of AWACS were present during the conflict
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The Pakistani reconstruction of events infographics clearly depicted what looks like an AWACS orbit, with it silouhette fairly closely resembling a turboprop platform, and given the vastness of the battlespace and the immense number of airframes involved, I find it very hard to believe that the either ZDK-03 or the SAAB erieye has been absent.

I and happy to discuss this issue further if you have any more opinions or arguements.

I never said AEW was absent just that it was not ZDK-03

 

[Harbyharb]

I never said AEW was absent just that it was not ZDK-03

Ah, thanks for clearing the misunderstanding.

My original post is primarily arguing for the importance of air to ground system fusion, the joint capability across different unit and arms over the individual competence of the pilots at least in the narrow sense. The modern battlespace doesn't need disobedient mavericks, it calls for adaptable professionals that can orient themselves and function within a system of systems. I merely mentioned the ZDK-03 as the most prominent example that came to mind.

 

[m52k85]

Ah, thanks for clearing the misunderstanding.

My original post is primarily arguing for the importance of air to ground system fusion, the joint capability across different unit and arms over the individual competence of the pilots at least in the narrow sense. The modern battlespace doesn't need disobedient mavericks, it calls for adaptable professionals that can orient themselves and function within a system of systems. I merely mentioned the ZDK-03 as the most prominent example that came to mind.

Sorry buddy, you wont find us very forth coming with info, especially in this environment.

 

[Harbyharb]

Sorry buddy, you wont find us very forth coming with info, especially in this environment.

Of course, this isn’t war thunder forum.

If there’s any open source info I would love to indulge in, if not then it’s just a harmless speculation.

 

[Oscar]

Ah, thanks for clearing the misunderstanding.

My original post is primarily arguing for the importance of air to ground system fusion, the joint capability across different unit and arms over the individual competence of the pilots at least in the narrow sense. The modern battlespace doesn't need disobedient mavericks, it calls for adaptable professionals that can orient themselves and function within a system of systems. I merely mentioned the ZDK-03 as the most prominent example that came to mind.

I seemed to understand the gist as if it was only China’s assistance that enabled this. It was paramount yes - but the PAF/PA incorporated a massive hybrid chain of both equipment and knowhow from China, Turkey, Ukraine, Iran and other places to put together this kill chain.

Everyone provided learning and tactics which PAF staff absorbed and stitched together

 

[m52k85]

Of course, this isn’t war thunder forum.

If there’s any open source info I would love to indulge in, if not then it’s just a harmless speculation.

Open source is a tricky slope, what is available in the english media is very different to the level of details divulged in Urdu media at semi-official level. I would encourage Pakistanis to not talk too much.

 

[m52k85]

Of course, this isn’t war thunder forum.

If there’s any open source info I would love to indulge in, if not then it’s just a harmless speculation.

Let me give you an example, Justin Bronk is given free rides in Nato airforces, he outputs one of the largest open source data on Western Airforces. His estimates regarding Chinese and Pakistani capabilities have come out to be in accurate in recent days (I'm not talking about BVR range, that is childish). If we are to start talking about PAF capabilities then him reading this forum would find its way into his reports, which influence longer term planning in other AFs.

 

[Hendarto]

I seemed to understand the gist as if it was only China’s assistance that enabled this. It was paramount yes - but the PAF/PA incorporated a massive hybrid chain of both equipment and knowhow from China, Turkey, Ukraine, Iran and other places to put together this kill chain.

Everyone provided learning and tactics which PAF staff absorbed and stitched together

Some people here deliberately discount the Chinese contribution to the Pakistan armed forces, forgetting that 81% of Pakistan's weapon imports are from China. Without an intensive 2-year training of a Pakistani pilot and provision of a soft loan to buy J-10, Pakistan is naked. So, please give credit where credit is due. By itself, Pakistan cannot afford to purchase first-rate weapons. China's achievement is hard-won with a lot of sweat and hard work. It is sacrilege to discount that kind of dedication. Here is the proof J10 was designed when China was poor

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[Oscar]

Some people here deliberately discount the Chinese contribution to the Pakistan armed forces, forgetting that 81% of Pakistan's weapon imports are from China. Without an intensive 2-year training of a Pakistani pilot and provision of a soft loan to buy J-10, Pakistan is naked. So, please give credit where credit is due. By itself, Pakistan cannot afford to purchase first-rate weapons. China's achievement is hard-won with a lot of sweat and hard work. It is sacrilege to discount that kind of dedication. Here is the proof J10 was designed when China was poor

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You're assuming that there is no credit - but Im stating that it is a combination of Chinese equipment and knowhow - coupled with existing PAF standards and training and knowhow that has achieved this. PAF wasn't flying jets into the ground before China helped nor was PAF the only one who can employ Chinese equipment that effectively.
Everyone learns and takes input.
Your image is also false - the J-10C that was flying was the culmination of the efforts of those three engineers and HUNDREDS of other people - INCLUDING INPUT provided for the J-10B by PAF personnel stationed at CAC for the JF-17 program.
The J-10C is a far cry from the J-10A that flew.

 

[Hendarto]

You're assuming that there is no credit - but Im stating that it is a combination of Chinese equipment and knowhow - coupled with existing PAF standards and training and knowhow that has achieved this. PAF wasn't flying jets into the ground before China helped nor was PAF the only one who can employ Chinese equipment that effectively.
Everyone learns and takes input.
Your image is also false - the J-10C that was flying was the culmination of the efforts of those three engineers and HUNDREDS of other people - INCLUDING INPUT provided for the J-10B by PAF personnel stationed at CAC for the JF-17 program.
The J-10C is a far cry from the J-10A that flew.

Pakistan has NO ROLE whatsoever in the design of J 10C YUP zip nada. Pakistan's role in JF17 is a paint job, nothing more. All of the critical components are shipped from China, even to this day. The Chinese engineer taught them how to assemble electronic components and passed it off as made in Pakistan

 

[Oscar]

Pakistan has NO ROLE whatsoever in the design of J 10C YUP zip nada. Pakistan's role in JF17 is a paint job, nothing more. All of the critical components are shipped from China, even to this day. The Chinese engineer taught them how to assemble electronic components and passed it off as made in Pakistan

Let not waste more time - you wish to be ignorant - and I dont wish to argue with one who is.

 

[FuturePAF]

Zhuhai air show J -10CE

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And here is the article from the Financial Times:

China’s J-10 ‘Dragon’ shows teeth in India-Pakistan combat debut

Skirmish is first test of Beijing’s military hardware against advanced western technology

www.ft.com

 

[Fatman17]

During an international media briefing, the #Pakistan Air Force revealed the exact number of #Indian aircraft shot down and pinpointed the locations where their debris was recovered inside #India.

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