POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

... This is why expensive LNG is imported from Qatar and not cheap LNG from Iran, even when the Iranians have built a pipeline all the way to the Pakistan border. ...
No such thing except through smuggling.

Why would Pakistan want to lose its largest export market for some cheap gas?

If Iran wants to become the replacement for the US market for Pakistan, then we can talk, otherwise Iran is not worth it.
 
No such thing except through smuggling.

Why would Pakistan want to lose its largest export market for some cheap gas?

If Iran wants to become the replacement for the US market for Pakistan, then we can talk, otherwise Iran is not worth it.

LNG from Qatar is costly in price and additional tanker shipping cost. Iran pipeline will be much cheaper with a long term contract, both in price and shipping charge, but will require sanctions waiver from West. Pakistan never bothered to explore this option and keeps buying expensive gas from abroad and whining about it.

The smuggled oil from Iran is a different matter and not something to be happy about either as it probably causes further loss to the national exchequer who bought expensive imported oil at market prices.
 
Let’s recap.

Spectrum ascendancy achieved during initial skirmish - 5 aircraft splashed.

Did the armed forces send in drones to capture footage of the wreckage? This could provide the irrefutable proof everyone is looking for.

Unfortunately, from here onwards, it is a story of unprofessionalism. Instead of taking the initiative and imposing a relentless anti-IADS campaign to lock in your dominance, you literally sat comfortably behind your own IADS, comfy in your delusion of spectrum dominance.

The enemy started probing you and DGISPR is on record saying we had to turn off our air defence systems because the system gave the indication it is being ‘tracked’. This is technically wrong. Tracking by its very nature is passive. You cannot know when you are being tracked. What most likely happened is that the enemy learnt the pattern of your frequency hopping and started jamming you. Even after this eye opener, they shamelessly kept collecting ‘war trophies’ instead of going to the source where the drones were coming from.

Seeing your rank amateur antics, giving empty threats of wait for our response while practicing restraint, the enemy now escalated to Brahmos. You again employed EW tactics and showed amateurish over-confidence. Jam GPS signals? The laser gyro across 100 km is pretty reliable. Forget that, at these ranges the enemy can send one initial missile with telemetry, learn the positions of the control surfaces while observing the trajectory, and then simply employ salvos with slightly adjusted parameters for control surfaces until he scores a hit. The enemy doesn’t just buy the Brahmos, he manufactures it. He probably has it in the hundreds to thousands. And he can play with you all day long until he gets his parameters right and doesn’t rely on GPS.

Use microwaves to fry circuits? They can be shielded against.

You NEEDED a hard kill system in large numbers and the pathetic air chief showed unprofessionalism, naïveté, and just sheer stupidity when he did not include hard kill in the plans. You were screwed from the beginning and instead of going all out to take out the threat before it can materialise, you kept restraining yourself, as if this is a schoolyard and Miss will give you a gold star.

The enemy, gobsmacked at your sheer stupidity, violated one red line after the other. Water was already closed. You thought he will go by the predetermined playbook you agreed upon as gentlemen: no strikes on major airbases and installations. All gentlemanliness gone to dust. The enemy is a vile Hindutva crazed maniac and you are acting like you are still a schoolboy.

Finally you acted. But consider: according to your own admission, the Beas facility has fired salvos of hundreds of Brahmos. This facility is now EMPTY. And you are proud you targeted it?

The following applies to both sides: don’t be impressed by 30 ft craters in the ground. Filling up runway craters is air warfare 101. That crater only means you spent millions of dollars to dig a hole in the ground. It’s a case of fool and his money parting ways quickly. Same goes for big fires and explosions. It’s a missile striking an airbase. There will be an explosion and a fire. Possibly because flammable material was placed as decoy to give the impression of heavy damage. Ask yourself: did it strike ammo dump? Radar installation? Actual jets on the ground? Personnel? All the rest can be reconstructed.

Taking out S400? Imagine a projectile of 5000 km/hr. This is approx Mach 4. It takes 1.2 mins to cover 100 km. Give S400 30 seconds to start moving at 60 km/hr. In 42 sec it will be 0.7 km away. You need to saturate a circular area with radius 0.7 km. Or you need to predict its movement with perfection. The AVM used extremely carefully calibrated language: we targeted the S400. But the juicy bit is in the logical conclusion: if the S400 is forced to move, you get a window to attack what it was protecting. Because it’s shoot AND scoot: if it shoots it doesn’t scoot, and if it scoots it doesn’t shoot. So the question arises: what was the S400 protecting?

Finally, as the enemy laid waste to all your stupid assumptions of non-escalation and rational behaviour, the NCA meeting was called and the nuclear threat led to de-escalation. If that’s what it takes, you have failed miserably.

The morons in 65 caused a traffic jam and got awards instead of being sacked. This air chief brought us to the brink and will get a medal from a moron nation that can be fed some technical jargon, pumped with religious terminology, and laps up everything it is fed.
 
Let’s recap.

Spectrum ascendancy achieved during initial skirmish - 5 aircraft splashed.

Did the armed forces send in drones to capture footage of the wreckage? This could provide the irrefutable proof everyone is looking for.

Unfortunately, from here onwards, it is a story of unprofessionalism. Instead of taking the initiative and imposing a relentless anti-IADS campaign to lock in your dominance, you literally sat comfortably behind your own IADS, comfy in your delusion of spectrum dominance.

The enemy started probing you and DGISPR is on record saying we had to turn off our air defence systems because the system gave the indication it is being ‘tracked’. This is technically wrong. Tracking by its very nature is passive. You cannot know when you are being tracked. What most likely happened is that the enemy learnt the pattern of your frequency hopping and started jamming you. Even after this eye opener, they shamelessly kept collecting ‘war trophies’ instead of going to the source where the drones were coming from.

Seeing your rank amateur antics, giving empty threats of wait for our response while practicing restraint, the enemy now escalated to Brahmos. You again employed EW tactics and showed amateurish over-confidence. Jam GPS signals? The laser gyro across 100 km is pretty reliable. Forget that, at these ranges the enemy can send one initial missile with telemetry, learn the positions of the control surfaces while observing the trajectory, and then simply employ salvos with slightly adjusted parameters for control surfaces until he scores a hit. The enemy doesn’t just buy the Brahmos, he manufactures it. He probably has it in the hundreds to thousands. And he can play with you all day long until he gets his parameters right and doesn’t rely on GPS.

Use microwaves to fry circuits? They can be shielded against.

You NEEDED a hard kill system in large numbers and the pathetic air chief showed unprofessionalism, naïveté, and just sheer stupidity when he did not include hard kill in the plans. You were screwed from the beginning and instead of going all out to take out the threat before it can materialise, you kept restraining yourself, as if this is a schoolyard and Miss will give you a gold star.

The enemy, gobsmacked at your sheer stupidity, violated one red line after the other. Water was already closed. You thought he will go by the predetermined playbook you agreed upon as gentlemen: no strikes on major airbases and installations. All gentlemanliness gone to dust. The enemy is a vile Hindutva crazed maniac and you are acting like you are still a schoolboy.

Finally you acted. But consider: according to your own admission, the Beas facility has fired salvos of hundreds of Brahmos. This facility is now EMPTY. And you are proud you targeted it?

The following applies to both sides: don’t be impressed by 30 ft craters in the ground. Filling up runway craters is air warfare 101. That crater only means you spent millions of dollars to dig a hole in the ground. It’s a case of fool and his money parting ways quickly. Same goes for big fires and explosions. It’s a missile striking an airbase. There will be an explosion and a fire. Possibly because flammable material was placed as decoy to give the impression of heavy damage. Ask yourself: did it strike ammo dump? Radar installation? Actual jets on the ground? Personnel? All the rest can be reconstructed.

Taking out S400? Imagine a projectile of 5000 km/hr. This is approx Mach 4. It takes 1.2 mins to cover 100 km. Give S400 30 seconds to start moving at 60 km/hr. In 42 sec it will be 0.7 km away. You need to saturate a circular area with radius 0.7 km. Or you need to predict its movement with perfection. The AVM used extremely carefully calibrated language: we targeted the S400. But the juicy bit is in the logical conclusion: if the S400 is forced to move, you get a window to attack what it was protecting. Because it’s shoot AND scoot: if it shoots it doesn’t scoot, and if it scoots it doesn’t shoot. So the question arises: what was the S400 protecting?

Finally, as the enemy laid waste to all your stupid assumptions of non-escalation and rational behaviour, the NCA meeting was called and the nuclear threat led to de-escalation. If that’s what it takes, you have failed miserably.

The morons in 65 caused a traffic jam and got awards instead of being sacked. This air chief brought us to the brink and will get a medal from a moron nation that can be fed some technical jargon, pumped with religious terminology, and laps up everything it is fed.
Interesting take. I do believe that Pakistan leadership was caught of guard when the Indians decided to escalate further. I also don't believe that the counterstrike was anything more than symbolic gesture before playing the nuclear card.
 

LNG from Qatar is costly in price and additional tanker shipping cost. Iran pipeline will be much cheaper with a long term contract, both in price and shipping charge, but will require sanctions waiver from West. Pakistan never bothered to explore this option and keeps buying expensive gas from abroad and whining about it.

The smuggled oil from Iran is a different matter and not something to be happy about either as it probably causes further loss to the national exchequer who bought expensive imported oil at market prices.
Let's get some facts clear first.
  • The US has openly said since Barrak Obama's time that it will not allow Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline to succeed.
  • The pipeline cannot be built without US dollars otherwise we would've built it Yuans, Rubbles, Riyals a long long time ago.
  • Even if the US gives a special waiver to Pakistan which is well against US interests, it will automatically trigger Arab sanctions against Pakistan costing billions of dollars.
  • Arabs will not give a waiver to Pakistan which is against their interests.
  • Contrary to popular belief that Iran has already built the pipeline on their side of the border, is not true. Iran has only built a tiny portion at the at the border like Pakistan as a symbolic gesture.
  • Pakistan cannot afford to lose $10-$20 billion or more in trade, remittances, millions of jobs, just to get some cheap gas.
Now, of course Pakistan would like to buy gas directly from Iran - why wouldn't it. It has tried again and again but the US and Arab nations have refused to entertain that idea.

We just have to wait for the Nominal GDP to be around $700-$800 billion when Pakistan will be able to persuade the Arabs into listening to Pakistan.
 
Can anyone please tell what exactly have been the Pakistani Claims (both official and unofficial) of military action against India so far in a chronological and orderly fashion with sources (if possible).

I am aware of some of the claims such as targeting udhampur airbase, targeting S400 etc but not all cause I don't have the strength to comb through 1500 pages of the India-Pakistan conflict thread
@Waz @Musings @RescueRanger @Oscar
You can get all of those by visiting any Pakistani News Site.
 
Now MAXAR releases high quality photos can I post here?

Also can I post what all missile, drones, are used.
I don't want any kind of trolls or bravado here just constrictive discussion if modorator approve then I will proceed
 
Sukkur airport was also hit, looks like a hangar received major damage

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Actually, this picture shows that the hardened structure did its job of protecting the assets.
 
Indians believe that they have called the nuclear bluff by abeying the IWT and following up with significant strikes on military facilities.
Therefore a nuclear test that is well publicized, is absolutely paramount now.
 
Let’s recap.

Spectrum ascendancy achieved during initial skirmish - 5 aircraft splashed.

Did the armed forces send in drones to capture footage of the wreckage? This could provide the irrefutable proof everyone is looking for.

Unfortunately, from here onwards, it is a story of unprofessionalism. Instead of taking the initiative and imposing a relentless anti-IADS campaign to lock in your dominance, you literally sat comfortably behind your own IADS, comfy in your delusion of spectrum dominance.

The enemy started probing you and DGISPR is on record saying we had to turn off our air defence systems because the system gave the indication it is being ‘tracked’. This is technically wrong. Tracking by its very nature is passive. You cannot know when you are being tracked. What most likely happened is that the enemy learnt the pattern of your frequency hopping and started jamming you. Even after this eye opener, they shamelessly kept collecting ‘war trophies’ instead of going to the source where the drones were coming from.

Seeing your rank amateur antics, giving empty threats of wait for our response while practicing restraint, the enemy now escalated to Brahmos. You again employed EW tactics and showed amateurish over-confidence. Jam GPS signals? The laser gyro across 100 km is pretty reliable. Forget that, at these ranges the enemy can send one initial missile with telemetry, learn the positions of the control surfaces while observing the trajectory, and then simply employ salvos with slightly adjusted parameters for control surfaces until he scores a hit. The enemy doesn’t just buy the Brahmos, he manufactures it. He probably has it in the hundreds to thousands. And he can play with you all day long until he gets his parameters right and doesn’t rely on GPS.

Use microwaves to fry circuits? They can be shielded against.

You NEEDED a hard kill system in large numbers and the pathetic air chief showed unprofessionalism, naïveté, and just sheer stupidity when he did not include hard kill in the plans. You were screwed from the beginning and instead of going all out to take out the threat before it can materialise, you kept restraining yourself, as if this is a schoolyard and Miss will give you a gold star.

The enemy, gobsmacked at your sheer stupidity, violated one red line after the other. Water was already closed. You thought he will go by the predetermined playbook you agreed upon as gentlemen: no strikes on major airbases and installations. All gentlemanliness gone to dust. The enemy is a vile Hindutva crazed maniac and you are acting like you are still a schoolboy.

Finally you acted. But consider: according to your own admission, the Beas facility has fired salvos of hundreds of Brahmos. This facility is now EMPTY. And you are proud you targeted it?

The following applies to both sides: don’t be impressed by 30 ft craters in the ground. Filling up runway craters is air warfare 101. That crater only means you spent millions of dollars to dig a hole in the ground. It’s a case of fool and his money parting ways quickly. Same goes for big fires and explosions. It’s a missile striking an airbase. There will be an explosion and a fire. Possibly because flammable material was placed as decoy to give the impression of heavy damage. Ask yourself: did it strike ammo dump? Radar installation? Actual jets on the ground? Personnel? All the rest can be reconstructed.

Taking out S400? Imagine a projectile of 5000 km/hr. This is approx Mach 4. It takes 1.2 mins to cover 100 km. Give S400 30 seconds to start moving at 60 km/hr. In 42 sec it will be 0.7 km away. You need to saturate a circular area with radius 0.7 km. Or you need to predict its movement with perfection. The AVM used extremely carefully calibrated language: we targeted the S400. But the juicy bit is in the logical conclusion: if the S400 is forced to move, you get a window to attack what it was protecting. Because it’s shoot AND scoot: if it shoots it doesn’t scoot, and if it scoots it doesn’t shoot. So the question arises: what was the S400 protecting?

Finally, as the enemy laid waste to all your stupid assumptions of non-escalation and rational behaviour, the NCA meeting was called and the nuclear threat led to de-escalation. If that’s what it takes, you have failed miserably.

The morons in 65 caused a traffic jam and got awards instead of being sacked. This air chief brought us to the brink and will get a medal from a moron nation that can be fed some technical jargon, pumped with religious terminology, and laps up everything it is fed.
I really like they way you pointed the first part , from Indian side its a huge intelligence failure that they were not aware that a long range Air to Air missile can be launched by a fighter plane and directed by an AWACS , Its a pretty expensive but a good lesson for future , hope they will learn from it . Regarding air defense hope Indian planners will have a dedicated UAS grid and Air defense resources for the protection of border cities .
As you have highlighted the lessons for Pakistani policy makers so not commenting on it.
 
@Pakistan Space Agency

PSA sb,

We just have to wait for the Nominal GDP to be around $700-$800 billion when Pakistan will be able to persuade the Arabs into listening to Pakistan.

The current GDP is about USD 400 billion and growing at 2.5% p.a. At this rate it will need 28 years for you to reach USD 800 billion. So, we can look fwd to Iranian gas in 2053 or thereabouts.

Regards
 
This is not a hardened shelter and you can see the roof has crumpled/collapsed
The roof hasn’t crumpled or collapsed. The hardened material took the brunt of the impact and simply disintegrated, leaving behind the debris field and an uncollapsed roof.
 

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