PL-15E and HQ-16FE improvements needed?

[FuturePAF]

While the performance of the PL-15E this month has made profound changes to air power. The missile worked because it operated within a very specific flight envelope; like a sniper shot.

Deviations at such long ranges by the enemy aircraft if they know the missile is coming can limit the efficacy of the missile.

Therefore the missile needs a wide area it can maneuver in mid flight, so it has enough of a window to move in for the final kill.

Both the PL-15E and HQ-16FE are relatively small missiles, at economical prices, that could easily form the backbone of the air defense of the PAF and PA air defense forces.

The addition of lateral thrusts in the mid body as on the Aster 30 would help achieve the desired improvement I mentioned above.

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[MH.Yang]

Pakistan should aim for PL-17 and HQ-19 instead of continuing to improve two decade-old missiles. There will always be new models of missiles, we just need to keep replacing them with new and better ones, there is no need to improve the obsolete models.

 

[RealNapster]

Pakistan should aim for PL-17 and HQ-19 instead of continuing to improve two decade-old missiles. There will always be new models of missiles, we just need to keep replacing them with new and better ones, there is no need to improve the obsolete models.

PL-15 was inducted in 2016, how is it 2 decades old ? Also, Pakistan do not have enough fighter jets capable of operating with PL-17. It is a large and heavy missiles for specific targets such as AWACS. I don't think PL-17 can form the backbone of an aiforce.

 

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan should aim for PL-17 and HQ-19 instead of continuing to improve two decade-old missiles. There will always be new models of missiles, we just need to keep replacing them with new and better ones, there is no need to improve the obsolete models.

There is a need for an economical design as well as a small enough design to be fielded on all platforms and in large numbers. Along with extensive use of EW, these are likely to be the way to cover most assets, especially if mobility and dispersal are and important consideration, in the limited operating domain of Pakistan and its naval frontiers.

 

[MH.Yang]

PL-15 was inducted in 2016, how is it 2 decades old ? Also, Pakistan do not have enough fighter jets capable of operating with PL-17. It is a large and heavy missiles for specific targets such as AWACS. I don't think PL-17 can form the backbone of an aiforce.

 

[MH.Yang]

There is a need for an economical design as well as a small enough design to be fielded on all platforms and in large numbers. Along with extensive use of EW, these are likely to be the way to cover most assets, especially if mobility and dispersal are and important consideration, in the limited operating domain of Pakistan and its naval frontiers.

PL-17 or more powerful missiles are a given. Pakistan may consider repairing its diplomatic relations with Russia in order to get a license to buy from China the J16. which can fire the PL-17.

The PL-15 was just one of the best missiles of the period. But human technology is always advancing.

 

[FuturePAF]

PL-17 or more powerful missiles are a given. Pakistan may consider repairing its diplomatic relations with Russia in order to get a license to buy from China the J16. which can fire the PL-17.

The PL-15 was just one of the best missiles of the period. But human technology is always advancing.

The PAF doesn’t have the budget to consider the J-16. It could surely consider the PL-17, for launch off the J-10 in the anti-awacs/mpa/tanker/isr airplane role, but it needs to keep looking at ways to incrementally improve systems that have worked for it, to stay within budget.

The PA also needs an affordable air defense missile, that can be acquired in large numbers and be fielded for the army and the navy. An improved HQ-16FE could be that missile and fit on an air defense ship the PN could afford to buy; a 6000 ton vessel for around $500 million.

For protection of the highest end assets, indeed acquiring the HQ-19 would be best, but we need enough missiles to defend all air, army and navy bases that are likely to be attacked as well as other key critical infrastructure.

 

[MH.Yang]

The PAF doesn’t have the budget to consider the J-16. It could surely consider the PL-17, for launch off the J-10 in the anti-awacs/mpa/tanker/isr airplane role, but it needs to keep looking at ways to incrementally improve systems that have worked for it, to stay within budget.

The PA also needs an affordable air defense missile, that can be acquired in large numbers and be fielded for the army and the navy. An improved HQ-16FE could be that missile and fit on an air defense ship the PN could afford to buy; a 6000 ton vessel for around $500 million.

For protection of the highest end assets, indeed acquiring the HQ-19 would be best, but we need enough missiles to defend all air, army and navy bases that are likely to be attacked as well as other key critical infrastructure.

Sooner or later Pakistan will need HQ19. there will only be more and more missiles like Brahmos in the future and the popularity of GMD is inevitable.

 

[FuturePAF]

Sooner or later Pakistan will need HQ19. there will only be more and more missiles like Brahmos in the future and the popularity of GMD is inevitable.

I don’t doubt we need the HQ-19, but how many can we afford? I’m talking about a “medium range system” (160 km range) under the HQ-19 that can be acquired in bulk.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Sooner or later Pakistan will need HQ19. there will only be more and more missiles like Brahmos in the future and the popularity of GMD is inevitable.

Best way to counter more Brahmos is to have our own rival missile with more range, speed and warhead. That's the only way. A 1000 Kilometer range hypersonic cruise missile is the capability which is required.

 

[Toxic]

I think FAAZ LOMADS program should bear fruit soon as it's tied to the Turkish Missile program, induct 2 dozen system have it be the backbone of the AD network.

 

[FuturePAF]

Best way to counter more Brahmos is to have our own rival missile with more range, speed and warhead. That's the only way. A 1000 Kilometer range hypersonic cruise missile is the capability which is required.

The PA missile forces need to get the GDF-600 hypersonic glider for missiles like the FATAH 2 and up. With sub-munitions it gives multiple opportunities for the weapon to take out enemy air defenses or high value targets.

A hypersonic glider can effectively extend the range of a ballistic missile.

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[Blackbirdz!]

PL-17 or more powerful missiles are a given. Pakistan may consider repairing its diplomatic relations with Russia in order to get a license to buy from China the J16. which can fire the PL-17.

The PL-15 was just one of the best missiles of the period. But human technology is always advancing.

Pak tried it, we wanted Su35 with AESA Zuk-ME radars, but they refused.
Ever since Pak has buy in large given up on Russia. They arnt very sincere in improving relations with us. What they did with Imran Khan too counts, invited his in Moscow to improve relations and on the day he landed Putin Uncle stated war with Ukraine. And then promised him cheap oil and wheat. But later refused to give us it in those 30% cheap rates he promised to give.
So as u can see, its not serious. India is its historical ally, a time tested partnership cant be compared with Pak-Russia relations which are very small in nature.
Russia will keep on selling them weapons due to its own economical reasons and sanctions, First it sold S400s despite Pakistan's protests and has now offered Su57s to them.
And lets not forget BrahMos which is P800 Onix of Russia.

 

[52051]

You dont need more air defense system, they are very expensive, and air defense system are static, besides defend against ballastic missiles they are not that useful.Given your limited resources, you need more offence system, not defence system.

For instance, in your fleet, JF-17 is too light weighted to carray large strike weapons, whilst J-10C/F-16 are mostly for air-superiority role, you need some heavy fighter-bombers or attackers or at least some heavy UAVs to carry air-strike.

Basically after the first day, India give up the air space to you, resort to just UAVs and missiles, you lack the offence capability to take advantage of it.

 

[Luciferdd]

HQ-16FE do has lateral thrusts on it....