POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[Great Mal]

Key point at 53 mins in on tactical lessons for Pakistan

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Pakistan has come a long way in network centric warfare we just need to improve upon it.

The main problem we have is depth & conventional firepower, for depth we can build airbases that are further inside Pakistani territory i.e close to the hills & uneven terrain of inland Pakistan & improve already existing airbases with 2 airstrips & one emergency airstrip.

For conventional firepower we need to indigenous & manufacture home built missiles & cruise missiles both supersonic & subsonic that cover 500km to 1800km in range for conventional impunity.

Pakistans Air defence is fine we just need to add a few layers & boost the coverage which is done via adding more batteries & radars.

 

[Cipher212]

Is there any feasibility of underground sections at air bases? At least for parking the jets.

 

[Michael]

Is it always true?

The USSR wasn't exactly known for top-tier consumer electronics, but their military tech was taken seriously by the US.

Consumer tech and military tech have different requirements: civilian tech must work reliably day in day out requiring little maintenance in exchange for reduced performance, but military tech can be short lived, even single use, and require high maintenance to give maximum performance.

Modern military industry and technology doesn't have a lot of deep theoretical knowledge. Their technological secrets are centered on the production processes and materials disciplines.
I.e., how do they work? How are they realized? All of this is completely public knowledge. But, how they are made is the real secret. The theory of nuclear weapons has been out for decades, the technical theory of hydrogen bombs has been out for decades, and how many countries in the world have them?

The turbofan engine has been called the “jewel in the crown of industry”. Its theoretical knowledge is not complicated. With a little bit of knowledge, it is easy for us to manufacture it. However, it is very difficult to improve every technical index a little bit.

Many days ago, I published this picture.

This is the radar antenna of an advanced Chinese UAV.
1. What kind of material is this metal plate? What is its internal crystal structure?
2, These micro holes ...... If you know about metal machining process, you will know how difficult it is to machine.
If China gifts Pakistan a piece of this metal plate, can Pakistan replicate it? How many countries around the globe will be able to replicate this sheet metal?

The manufacture of this sheet metal is closely related to materials industry capabilities and precision machining capabilities. These areas are fully compatible with the civilian market.

 

[Faithfulguy]

@CombatCorner

with admission that losses are inevitable in a war.

Yes, of course there will be. We lost a few drones. One could argue that the missiles we fired, whether they were successful or not, are losses from an accounting point of view.

Regards

He was asked specifically about the downed Rafale. The losses are about Rafale.

 

[Baibers_1260]

be very hard to hide in India

i'm still jotting it down to enemy propaganda

those few pics would not qualify as submissible in any court of fair inquiry.

Agreed No planes have been downed.
Questions:
1. What were the "losses " ( note plural) that AVM alluded to in the press conference briefing?
2. Additionally at the press briefing the IAF spokesperson claimed several Pakistani jets were shot down. How many Pakistani jets were shot down and of which type.

No court of enquiry. Just your opinion.

For the record: In another FAR MORE INTENSE arial combat zone Ukrainian, & Russian Air Forces quickly acknowledge losses and identify pilots killed. Both Ukrainian and Russian Air Forces swiftly announce details of opposing aircraft shot down and provide visual evidence of the wreckage. Why are the India Pakistani claims so secretive?

 

[Sharma Ji]

Agreed No planes have been downed.
Questions:
1. What were the "losses " ( note plural) that AVM alluded to in the press conference briefing?
2. Additionally at the press briefing the IAF spokesperson claimed several Pakistani jets were shot down. How many Pakistani jets were shot down and of which type.

No court of enquiry. Just your opinion.

For the record: In another FAR MORE INTENSE arial combat zone Ukrainian, & Russian Air Forces quickly acknowledge losses and identify pilots killed. Both Ukrainian and Russian Air Forces swiftly announce details of opposing aircraft shot down and provide visual evidence of the wreckage. Why are the India Pakistani claims so secretive?

Humble civvie here, sir.

but the BS is here, on grand display.. for all and sundry to marvel at

both sides bought their propaganda A-game, for sure

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mainstream media hysterics aside, I do believe they been speared

bhot hua proxy game, if they don't do it, which they wont.. we'll do the dirty job for em and continue pest control operations in WAHHABaLpur and in other locations in their Punjab, 100%

roll the dice, khelo game of attrition jitna khelna ae

that's the attitude here

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but the whole thing is very sad, should be stopped.. shanti and aman se we can do also, and inshallah , that's how it will be.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Humble civvie here, sir.

but the BS is here, on grand display.. for all and sundry to marvel at

both sides bought their propaganda A-game, for sure

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mainstream media hysterics aside, I do believe they been speared

bhot hua proxy game, if they don't do it, which they wont.. we'll do the dirty job for em and continue pest control operations in WAHHABaLpur and in other locations in their Punjab, 100%

roll the dice, khelo game of attrition jitna khelna ae

that's the attitude here

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but the whole thing is very sad, should be stopped.. shanti and aman se we can do also, and inshallah , that's how it will be.

Namaskar Sharmaji,
Thank you for your response. I could understand the first two lines and the last two lines. The middle part of your message was difficult to understand.
Regardless I got the gist of what you are trying to say.
I am reminded of this quote from the Bhagwad Gita which from what it appears the Pakistanis are following to the letter. Oddly enough the same spirit seems to be lacking from our end,

Bhagavad Gita: 2:38
सुखदु:खे समे कृत्वा लाभालाभौ जयाजयौ |
ततो युद्धाय युज्यस्व नैवं पापमवाप्स्यसि ।

P.S. There are safety measures that are to be observed in any pest control operations. It appears better pest control personnel and equipment are needed.

 

[Sharma Ji]

सुखदु:खे समे कृत्वा लाभालाभौ जयाजयौ |
ततो युद्धाय युज्यस्व नैवं पापमवाप्स्यसि ।

ji maharaj

but how sweet was hitting wahabbalpur ?

seedha nishana at the non state terror indoc centers

sab shaddedon ko daura-e-khaas wala certificate mila

 

[Baibers_1260]

@Sharma Ji
Main to yahan Sirsa mein hoon. Bhagwan ki daya se sab kushal mangal hai. Kewal mere ghar ki khudki ke sab sheeshey achanak toot gaye,
Waise ek baat ki kathinai hai. Mujhe diarrhea hai aur Lomotil yahan kisi bhi aushadhalaya mein uplabdh nahin hai. sab stock bik gaya. Kisi mitr ne bataya ki Patanjali Panchgavya se bhi diarhea ruk jaata hai.
Aap kis aushudh ka upyog karte hain.

 

[Sharma Ji]

@Sharma Ji
Main to yahan Sirsa mein hoon. Bhagwan ki daya se sab kushal mangal hai. Kewal mere ghar ki khudki ke sab sheeshey achanak toot gaye,
Waise ek baat ki kathinai hai. Mujhe diarrhea hai aur Lomotil yahan kisi bhi aushadhalaya mein uplabdh nahin hai. sab stock bik gaya. Kisi mitr ne bataya ki Patanjali Panchgavya se bhi diarhea ruk jaata hai.
Aap kis aushudh ka upyog karte hain.

ek nayi aai hai, Lomotil ka baap.. RoKo ! (kya naam hai, wah !)

roko ki goli kha k so jao

 

[Sharma Ji]

 

[Sharma Ji]

ek sekundd me nalka bund !

 

[AliKazmi007]

take a look at the BDA and BVR air battle engagment analysis from ex-Frech Super Etendard pilot:

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[Oscar]

Before Indian agencies started showing proofs in press conference, these "neutral reporters" of international media ran articles with Pakistani word of mouth.
I wonder what's common among them.

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instead of posting random tweets - just so what I asked and run the prompt on any model any article.

 

[Oscar]

take a look at the BDA and BVR air battle engagment analysis from ex-Frech Super Etendard pilot:

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They are not entirely wrong but are also being hypercritical on the wrong context.

Eventually, as other attaches come in - exercises happen professionals will ask these tough questions and if PAF pilots know the right data they can clarify or if some of it was conjecture then they’ll be making excuses.