Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Maarkhoor]

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Indian trying create or announce Govt in exile of Baluchistan.

All originated from India means *****, members who are active at social media must report them.

 

[El Sidd]

Pakistan can take New Delhi long before India can reach Muzaffarabad.

The Indians have no idea what is prepared for them, in this world and in the next!

Janaab yahan interpol ka parcha katwane ki lobby nahi ho rahi. Dilli door ast

 

[Master Chief]

The Bihar elections keep coming up. I am not convinced that elections in one Indian state would propel Modi to escalate to such an extent with extremely dangerous, if not impossible 'returns'. So the Bihar elections can't be the factor or even the major factor, IMO.
I think Pakistan's stabilizing economy, its stabilizing politics, its growing international alliances, its ongoing and upcoming extremely hard action on internal terrorism were not welcomed by India and India had signaled in late 2024 to review the Indus Water Treaty. So, whether the Pahalgam attack three weeks ago was staged or not, it is certain that India has crossed the Rubicon for some larger, long term goals than just the elections in one India state. And I will say this as dispassionately as possible: I don't see how long term India will come out ahead; on the contrary.

Agree.

We should not deceive ourselves that "election success" and "political power" drive hindutva as an ideology. Rather, election success is a means to an end for this particular ideology. We must be very clear on this and avoid the propaganda of "election driven malevolence", an argument which dilutes the true nature of hindutva.

It should actually be considered on a par with simple nazism. Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and the rest of them had a genuine ideology to propagate. Democratic success is a vehicle, not an objective.

Forum members will do well to pause and reflect upon the folllowing:

The main criticism levelled at BJP by their only internal opponent, Congress, is that BJP does what it does for "election success". This is a Congress created narrative, which deliberately ignores the shocking reality, which is that BJP and RSS seek an ideological goal, with or without "election success". This is why we suggest that Congress have acted as a mask for BJP for decades.

They are out to destroy us as part of a hindutva agenda.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

The Brhamin will surrender long before it comes to that.

Their history is their destiny.

No they won't we are defensive force not offensive force, and in major war with India there will be no winner or loser but the subcontinent will become nuclear wasteland

 

[delta2]

Janaab yahan interpol ka parcha katwane ki lobby nahi ho rahi. Dilli door ast

The interpol is a remnant of the East India Company Militia.

Using the Interpol as a criterion for moral judgement is inherently colonial.

 

[El Sidd]

The interpol is a remnant of the East India Company Militia.

Using the Interpol as a criterion for moral judgement is inherently colonial.

It is what it is.

 

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Indian trying create or announce Govt in exile of Baluchistan.

All originated from India means *****, members who are active at social media must report them.

Salam,

I was referring to this among other tactics India will now use in my post a few mins go:

Post in thread 'Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion'

May 16, 2025

Firstly I recommend people give this book a read - In hi book Robert Kaplan argues that geographical factors such as climate, topography and resource availability significantly influence political behaviour and international relations, particularly in the context of Eurasia.

Another thing that I recommend Pakistanis on this forum is to read the fine print of all statements and "Hoo Haaa" that come out of the corridors of power - avoid watching too many "analysts" videos on YouTube as these are curated narrative building as will warp your understanding to critically analyse...

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[PakFactor]

The Brhamin will surrender long before it comes to that.

Their history is their destiny.

Ideology is a vehicle through which social and cultural norms can influence and change the nation and its destiny. I would say to step out of the race and caste-based thinking, as it is flawed to its core; there is no bravery even in Pakistanis, as we project ourselves, as history has shown us our faces.

Right now, you have a neighbor who's a Hindutva ideologue, and his nation is drunk on a superpower Kool-Aid supported by nations that practically do not like Pakistan or its religious base. They are also out for blood and will stop at nothing to avenge their 1,000-year humiliation, and have shown they don't fear striking Pakistan and will do it again.

 

[delta2]

Ideology is a vehicle through which social and cultural norms can influence and change the nation and its destiny. I would say to step out of race and caste-based thinking, as it is flawed to its core; there is no bravery even in Pakistanis, as we project ourselves, as history has shown us our faces.

Right now, you have a neighbor who's a Hindutva ideologue, and his nation is drunk on a superpower Kool-Aid supported by nations that practically do not like Pakistan or its religious base. They are also out for blood, and will stop at nothing to avenge their 1,000-year humiliation, and have shown they didn't fear striking Pakistan, and will do it again.

The worse is behind Pakistan. Pakistan was a defensive force in the Past, and that was because of the chains and shackels that came with your spears.

The caste system and its roots are the very fundamentals for life for the Brahmins. For your enemy that is a matter of how life is supposed to be.

Pakistan survived the 25 year long War of Terror. The Afghans fought the occupiers till the very last moment. Don't be so afraid, cowardly, and meek.

"O ye of little faith, why are you so afraid?"

Have a little faith.

 

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[Dalit]

I recommend a drone or fatah to be dropped on Vance (for even suggesting that BS). Allah swt isko b zaleel kerayga !

This moron Vance got his answer.

 

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This^^^ wonder what the Indians are promising the Taliban. A greater Afghanistan by formenting insurgency in KPP? The Taliban are crazy enough to do it, and as we know, if the Americans and Russians couldn't beat, no hope for Pakistan.

 

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[delta2]

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Firstly I recommend people give this book a read - In hi book Robert Kaplan argues that geographical factors such as climate, topography and resource availability significantly influence political behaviour and international relations, particularly in the context of Eurasia.

Another thing that I recommend Pakistanis on this forum is to read the fine print of all statements and "Hoo Haaa" that come out of the corridors of power - avoid watching too many "analysts" videos on YouTube as these are curated narrative building as will warp your understanding to critically analyse the situation.

Now lets come down to some facts:

Firstly we all have to be sensible and agree a few things, India is a very large player in the region, it has a considerable advantage over Pakistan in GDP, it has a considerable advantage over Pakistan in political lobbying and has over the years built a strong brand on the international stage as an ascending regional super power.

India positioned itself as a net security provider in the region to international power players and as a major buffer against China. Pakistan and India's points of contention comes down to a few points, this mainly being the Kashmir Issue, resources particularly water security and counter-terrorism.

Some on this forum from India and elsewhere and internationally consuming the Indian narrative will reproach Pakistanis and ask "Why doesn't Pakistan want peace?" to answer this - I ask that you point then back towards history - going as far back as 2005, Pakistan put out feelers for peace on multiple occasions - we even adopted "basket diplomacy" by placing issues such as Kashmir, water security, trade and counter terrorism in little baskets and working on these through various CBMs.

Time and time again, Pakistan's strategy has been one of conflict reduction and peace building - look at history from 2005 to present, has Pakistan as a state ever been the belligerent or India?

When Modi came to power, Pakistan as a STATE adopted a policy to put his part and controversies aside and treat him with the diplomatic courtesy as the PM of a neighbouring nation.

However very quickly Islamabad recognised that India under MODI did not wish to purse a peaceful path to coexistence with Pakistan. It has been widely accepted that Modi has used the "Pakistan" card every time he sought to propel his political standing as the "strong man" of India.

Regional Insecurity:
As of 2025 Pakistan's vulnerability to international, regional and internal security risk rating and exposure was improving compare this to the domestic security and risk of armed conflict for India was consistently concerning due to domestic security issues and regional flash-points.
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India drunk on arrogance of her growth and political clout combined with her economic and military might adopted a largely belligerent and dismissive approach to smaller regional nations:

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It was her dismissive and belligerent attitude towards neighbouring countries and smaller regional countries which largely built a growing issue of regional instability with India as the driver.

Imagine smaller nations such as Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Pakistan felt in view of India's projection of regional hegemony and projection of power through bombastic displays of military might and hostile speeches coupled with fermenting insecurity in neighbouring countries.

State sponsored terrorism and double standards in counter-terrorism:
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Some Pakistani scholars believe that India has a long history of continuous interference in Pakistan's affairs.

For example, scholar M. Ikram Rabbani wrote in his book Comprehensive Pakistan Studies that the interference "can be traced back to the times of independence from the British rule."

In his book, Rabbani cited Subrahmaniyam, a former director of the then Indian Institute of Defence Studies, who said during a symposium in March 1971 that "what India must realize that the breakup of Pakistan is in our interest and an opportunity which will never come again."

In December 2023, a commander of the Baloch National Army (BNA) separatist militant group, who had surrendered himself to the Pakistani government, disclosed that India has been secretly supporting terrorist activities in Balochistan and financing separatist forces in the region.

The Hindu, for instance, published an article in July 2019, stating "It is established that BLA (Baloch Liberation Army) commanders, in the past, had sought medical treatment in India's hospitals, often under disguise or with fake identities." Pakistan designated the BLA as a terrorist organization in 2006.

The Hindu article referred to BLA's militant commander who "was based in Delhi for at least six months in 2017," to receive "extensive treatment for kidney-related ailments." It is known that Baloch sardars "maintained warm personal ties with various Indian political figures," the article said.

Some of the related evidence has been made public. Many other concrete forms of evidence show that India backs terrorism in Pakistan, although they have not yet been released for a variety of reasons, said a source close to the situation in Balochistan.

India overestimated her potential by positioning herself as a NET SECURITY provider in the region counter to China for the west. India was "BUYING" security, whilst Pakistan was "BUILDING" security.

Fast Forward to April 2025:
India blamed Pakistan for allegedly supporting militants that stuck a tourist hotspot inside Indian Occupied Kashmir, despite requests from Islamabad for evidence and supporting an open and impartial investigation, India rebuffed these request and provided no evidence to support her claims.

May 7th and May 8th:
I want people to remember this: When India struck Pakistan - it attempted to fly military jets into the sovereign territory of Pakistan - not the LOC but the sovereign territory of Pakistan, on the night of May 9th through to early morning of May 10th India launched ballistic missiles against Pakistan targeting multiple Pakistani Airforce bases.

This was an unacceptable provocation.

Pakistan was as a sovereign nation had the right to self defence - Pakistan exercised that right - as per its constitution and its debt to the people and state of Pakistan.

When de-escalation was offered via a ceasefire - Pakistan accepted the ceasefire, even now Pakistan is calling for saner discussions to be had. Pakistan is focused on protecting its sovereignty and not just from external threats but internal security too.

The Road Ahead:
There are rumours that India are attempting covert plans inside Pakistan. This is a LONG WAR, do not be beguiled thinking thak thuk and now its back to business as usual.

On a positive note, there are huge tectonic shifts taking place in the global corridors of power - the way in which Pakistan was viewed pre May 10th and post May 10th... (Watch this space).

You will see more work on "Brand" Pakistan in the coming days, weeks, months and not just that but the business rating of Pakistan regionally and globally.

Bro, you forgot to include the factors such as the War of Terror imposed on Pakistan. A total and complete shadow banning of Pakistani companies/firms through that period and a TOTAL and complete commitment to bring India into the new century by the very same powers and forces that imposed that very War of Terror. That is because,1) they have already lost to China in the battlefield once before even with their combined forces from the whole planet, and 2) they are not going to fight China without a significant amount cannon fodder.

Even if there were no issues between Pakistan and India, the Hindutva mind would not accept Pakistan because of the very fact Hindutva exists in the first place: religion.

Your thinking is flawed here.