Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[delta2]

It is what it is.

This is not what the Afghans thought, and grinded the occupiers into withdrawing.

 

[RescueRanger]

Bro, you forgot to include the factors such as the War of Terror imposed on Pakistan.

That is what I eluded to when referencing 2005 - remember that BRAS was most active during 2005 onwards.

 

[delta2]

This^^^ wonder what the Indians are promising the Taliban. A greater Afghanistan by formenting insurgency in KPP? The Taliban are crazy enough to do it, and as we know, if the Americans and Russians couldn't beat, no hope for Pakistan.

The Indians are talking to Pakistani intelligece about how to attack the Pakistani intelligence.

 

[Jango007]

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Did he grab a gun and rushed to the front to face the enemy?

A coward called Jeffory also became an accidental Hero after he ran away from the battle field.....Sometime luck makes you a hero and in this case our bumbling idiot Modi made a hero out of a chaprasi general and made a complete idiot out of himself.....Oh well for the time being we will live with this and enjoy.....

 

[maverick]

Ideology is a vehicle through which social and cultural norms can influence and change the nation and its destiny. I would say to step out of the race and caste-based thinking, as it is flawed to its core; there is no bravery even in Pakistanis, as we project ourselves, as history has shown us our faces.

Right now, you have a neighbor who's a Hindutva ideologue, and his nation is drunk on a superpower Kool-Aid supported by nations that practically do not like Pakistan or its religious base. They are also out for blood and will stop at nothing to avenge their 1,000-year humiliation, and have shown they don't fear striking Pakistan and will do it again.

I can’t agree more with your assessment. Pakistan and the Muslims collectively have been dehumanized. This strike has huge implications on sovereignty of Pakistan. They have struck everywhere and they making it a new normal. None of the nations in the world have condemned this Indian act. Think about it, no one condemned India for attacking Pakistan across international borders.
That tells you a lot! next time they come with more weapons, more aggression and will throw e everything they got.
Think, during the time of prophet Mohammed peace be up him, the pagans came again and again, non stop, Pakistan has to fight back and fight back aggressively, prepare now, raise 3M army and go in

 

[Jango007]

Something is really bothering me and after reading the NYT article about both sides talking big with little demage to prove, I am starting to wonder if both sides did really try hard not to cross the red line and demage anything worth fighting over.

Yes we lost 11 brave souls and Indians lost on their side too. But after exchanging thousands of missiles/ drones and artillary what do we have to show for demage? a few craters here and there ....some vague blurred images of radars hit???? where is the real demage this fire power should have caused?

Indian drones were flying completely aimlessly over our cities and we had Fatah rockets being fired in open and live tweeted for the whole world to geo locate but yet not a single drone hit was recorded on our equipment which was completely exposed. I have not seen any video from the Indian side showing such open exposure of armour there so I have no idea where they were responding from and what our drones were doing.

Isnt this wierd that drones were flying all over but yet they hit almost NO target at all?

For me the humiliation that Indians faced should have made them react harshly but were they really this coward that they pulled their airforce back and decided to rely on their Stormshadows and Brahmos missiles?

I am really confused......

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

As well as, tooling up, with as much as you can get from your allies.

The one area of doubt that might even cause the hawks to think twice is, to what extent is it permissible for Pakistan to actually consider any form of attack on the more major cities, and therefore disrupt global commerce to some extent.

Either absent of that, some fairly solid targets would need to be identified which are high value, but do not concern global trade and finance too much.

I suspect here, that the Indian thinking will be that given that they have breached the psychological barrier of causing problems in major cities they can then continue to disrupt the heartland of commerce and the population..... In some way therefore, they will achieve a disproportion effect on their missile attacks and we'll seek to economically harm Pakistan as much as possible.

Pakistan has a very principled and storied stance on Kashmir. Both China and Pakistan do not recognize Indian claims or rule over the region. Indians claim has become even more ludicrous than its previous iteration, where it projected itself as a pluralist, secular and democratic state giving equal voice to multitudes of ethnicities, languages and religion/faiths.... it now is similar to zionist claim, one set in revisionist history and narratives. There is no need to target civilians, religious or civil infrastructure.
This though is in the backdrop of a total collapse of international order, structure and ethos... humanitarian or religious. Geopolitics is is vicious and ones grappling to corner a space for themselves will do anything.

There are billion hungary Indians to be fed... a teetering infrastructure and in case of hostility flight of foreign capital and jobs market. India is more vulnerable than it projects... that is despite Pakistan or any actions...
Let the ones walking on eggshells shells cater to their own... Pakistan is not looking to assume any except it's own.

What Pakistan needs is however to exact a more punishing cost and directly against belligerents. Designating RSS a terrorist outfit is a start... targeting Moodis own state of Gujarat and military/RSS presence there... it will automatically let the locals know that if you do not subscribe to this ideology, you are spared!

 

[Jango007]

Indians doing what they do best...Lying....

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/oil-tanker-fire-clip-2023-miscaptioned-attack-pakistan-air-base-2025-05-16/

 

[r3alist]

Taking the Pakistani part of Kashmir and holding onto that is almost a physical impossibility which not even the American military might would be able to achieve, let alone India. And even if a mighty power like America--very hypothetically speaking--were to have captured the Pakistani part of Kashmir then look at the geography: There is a vast swathe of Pakistan hugging the Gilgit Baltistan region and that's the region of Pakistan which is the most militarized civilian part of Pakistan where carrying guns is the norm.
I remember we had a servant in our household in Karachi in the 80s. He was from northern Pakistan and he told me that the kids in his village would throw grenades or some bombs into ponds to stun or kill fish to hunt them. Kaboom! Imagine the culture there!

Your last quote, is just so very telling, it's like it has been forgotten totally, in the quest to come across as responsible good cop. We often hear that in an all-out war, in a prolonged war, India will obviously win, well I'm not saying that they won't however in a prolonged situation do we really know how South Asians, India or Pakistan, will slug it out. I mean, can you really imagine them doing one year of a kind of trench, blood and guts type of warfare across the whole nation, like Russia or Ukraine...... The underlying assumption has always been there is some sort of equal will to fight.

That being said, of course the current position is peace, not war.


The only reason, I bother to mention this, is with all this rather silly and stupid bizarre talk of the only discussion on Kashmir is Pakistan ceding its portion......

The calculation therefore, is that Pakistan is in a way economically so strangled that they believe they can force Pakistan to cut a deal, and nukes won't be an issue, this is why India is always poking around Pakistan's nuclear posture

Also in the recent and controversial speech from Asim munir, we forget the portion where he basically rallied the country to improve its economic position, when has the chief of army ever done this before?

 

[delta2]

I can’t agree more with your assessment. Pakistan and the Muslims collectively have been dehumanized. This strike has huge implications on sovereignty of Pakistan. They have struck everywhere and they making it a new normal. None of the nations in the world have condemned this Indian act think about it no one condemned India for attacking Pakistan international borders that tells you a lot next time they come with more weapons think during the time of prophet Mohammed up again and again the pins came no stopping to fight back and fight back aggressively

You expect condemnation from those who haven't uttered a word about attrocities done by India against Kashmir in the last many decades? Those that have done nothing for Palestine? Or were scares sh!tless when the War of Terror was launched?

The Indian military personnel actually request duty assignmnents to IOK for R&R, everyone knowing it means Rape & Rest, yet keeping silent for decades, and you expect them to say something now?

The Pakistani people have indeed lost their life and dignity if they expect a soothing word in such a case.

"Wa lau karihal kafirun"

 

[Gripen9]

If, and a big if, India plays with water, which could result in a hot war, I hardly doubt the world will point fingers at Pakistan. Let's hope saner heads prevail.

Also, China can squeeze them upstream as well. Two can play the game. Chinese have started to flex in Arunchal Pradesh or whatever they renamed it to yesterday.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan has a very principled and storied stance on Kashmir. Both China and Pakistan do not recognize Indian claims or rule over the region. Indians claim has become even more ludicrous than its previous iteration, where it projected itself as a pluralist, secular and democratic state giving equal voice to multitudes of ethnicities, languages and religion/faiths.... it now is similar to zionist claim, one set in revisionist history and narratives. There is no need to target civilians, religious or civil infrastructure.
This though is in the backdrop of a total collapse of international order, structure and ethos... humanitarian or religious. Geopolitics is is vicious and ones grappling to corner a space for themselves will do anything.

There are billion hungary Indians to be fed... a teetering infrastructure and in case of hostility flight of foreign capital and jobs market. India is more vulnerable than it projects... that is despite Pakistan or any actions...
Let the ones walking on eggshells shells cater to their own... Pakistan is not looking to assume any except it's own.

What Pakistan needs is however to exact a more punishing cost and directly against belligerents. Designating RSS a terrorist outfit is a start... targeting Moodis own state of Gujarat and military/RSS presence there... it will automatically let the locals know that if you do not subscribe to this ideology, you are spared!

Attacking their main economic centers, I feel would be drawing the attention of global finance capital. You should remember that they too are also invested to a good extent in India's economy and even if it might not be personal to Pakistan, they may well decide that it's better not to risk their investments in India so they may seek to just defang Pakistan .... It's just a consideration

Geography and history, has essentially left Pakistan's cities within easy reach of Indian missiles, so even the very best conventional deterrent may not always be foolproof


Another form of defence, is actually having a more globally integrated economy, to the extent that you have real partners, with real industry, invested within Pakistan, such that if India wants to for example attack Karachi or Lahore, it also has to consider perhaps upsetting some of its key allies

 

[Jango007]

Here is good video from BBC about of Rafel downing:

پاکستان کا انڈین جنگی طیارے گرانے کا دعویٰ، ہم اب تک کیا جانتے ہیں؟ - BBC News اردو

پاکستان فوج نے دعویٰ کیا ہے کہ منگل کی رات کو افواج پاکستان نے انڈیا کے پانچ طیارے مار گرائے ہیں۔ اس بارے میں انڈیا کی جانب سے اب تک کوئی ردعمل سامنے نہیں آیا ہے۔

www.bbc.com

 

[Ali_Baba]

It would be interesting to know if any Pakistani homegrown radars were deployed and how they got on in combat conditions. Nothing like a conflict to stress test everything.

 

[RescueRanger]

Slightly O/T.

This building is more than just symbolic - The Lahore Resolution and the foundations of the 2 nation movement. It is such a shame when I speak to some young people they are so ignorant of Pak Studies. They know more about the history of Paris then they do about the history of their nation and the sacrifices and struggles that helped deliver to us Pakistan.