Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Ali Mobin Memon said:
Agreed. But I want to know why you have no respect for this bloke ?
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He cant move past his hate of the establishment and has weaponised everything for that regardless of context or substance or value. He is not objective source for anything anymore.
 
Yasser76 said:
Agreed. I think 3-4 planes is enough.

Unlike AEW where we need 2 planes or more in the air all the time, hence a fleet of 10, with EW it will be only during specific missions, so maybe 3-4 is enough. Most major air forces has EW fleets that are smaller then their AEW fleets
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I think we need to somehow add J16 based Growler variant (I know wishful thinking) or convert JF17B as dedicated EW escorts along with HavSOJs
 
Gripen9 said:
I think we need to somehow add J16 based Growler variant (I know wishful thinking) or convert JF17B as dedicated EW escorts along with HavSOJs
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Agreed. I also think using same platform again might not be as good as round 1. But growler like systems might work well. I dont think india going to be same now and will attack in saturated manner and might use airforce in chinese theatre now.
 
Dr khan said:
Is this true

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Then why wasnt it intercepted
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As if Pakistan is a Lebanon. Military stands down and zion has its day with Lebanese people their infrastructure.
 
Corax said:
This is an amazing assessment!! IAF fighters being destroyed on final approach to their airbases with landing gear down! The PAF managed to jam their meteors? Jam their Comms, which led to them having to use unencrypted radio Comms?

The thing I've never understood, is why hasn't the PAF expanded it's Blinder fleet? What will be IAFs response, will we see them copying PAF tactics and equipment?
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I can read it over and over again without getting bored. Thanks....


Thomas Keith

@iwasnevrhere_


Ghosts in the Noise Floor: No. 24 Squadron and the Electromagnetic Decapitation of Operation Sindoor1/ When the May 2025 crisis detonated across the Line of Control, Pakistan’s first combat aircraft over the ridgeline were not J-10Cs slinging PL-15s, they were the two silver-grey Falcon DA-20s of No. 24 Squadron “Blinders,” running electronic support measures 40 kilometres inside their own airspace and staring straight through India’s assault packages. The squadron’s motto, first to fly in, last to fly out, is more than swagger; for thirty-eight years the Blinders have been the PAF’s airborne scalpel, their DA-20s carrying racks of wide-band jammers and crystal receivers that map every hostile emitter in real time.Operation Sindoor began at 1:05 a.m., when the Indian Air Force launched 30–40 sorties of Su-30MKIs and Rafales carrying BrahMos and Storm Shadow cruise missiles. Israeli Heron drones orbited for BDA. Strike vectors were chosen through radar shadow zones in the mountains, and no aircraft crossed the LoC, India’s objective was political, not military. Civilian structures were targeted from standoff range to minimize escalation, while numerically superior IAF formations, four strike packages totaling over 70 aircraft, attempted to stretch PAF response across multiple axes. The main axis, led by the 17th “Golden Arrows” Squadron, deployed nearly all flyable Rafales, 14 out of 18. This was India’s steel fist. Or so they thought.What they didn’t account for was what came before the PL-15 volley. The DA-20s were already there.Within minutes, Link-16 and MIDS channels went black. Rafale wingmen, unable to see their flight leads on the Multi-Function Displays, began shouting bearings over degraded single-sideband radio, until one shouted into silence as his leader exploded mid-air. Pakistan later released these cockpit recordings during the 11 May ISPR briefing. There was no response from Delhi.This was not merely communications denial, it was surgical signal removal. The aircraft were flying at ultra-low altitude, beyond the horizon of Pakistani ground-based jammers. The jamming could only have come from the air. Yet Pakistan has no Y-8G electronic warfare aircraft in its inventory. The ISPR made no mention of jamming platforms and yet the effect was total. The Blinders were the invisible hand behind the curtain.The kill chain that followed was pure systems warfare. Erieye AEW&C aircraft stitched together the battlespace, relaying precise intercept vectors. J-10Cs rose from ground alert in 4-ship flights. The Blinders lit up the Meteor uplinks with high-gain spot jammers, denying mid-course updates. Indian missiles went dumb. PAF missiles did not. PL-15Es, fired from 150+ km, punched through degraded ECM bubbles and slammed into IAF aircraft still clinging to terrain-following tactics meant for older missile generations.Wreckage rained down across Pulwama, Akliyan Kalan, and Pathankot. Some aircraft were hit on final approach, landing gear down. The IAF misread the kill geometry, believing PAF fighters had violated Indian airspace, when in fact, they had not. It was the missile envelope, not the pilot, that crossed the border.By 1:30 a.m., the IAF was finished. Su-30s, Rafales, MiG-29s and MiG-21s scrambled blindly, only to meet another volley. A MiG-29 fell near Akhnoor. Another Mirage or Rafale was vaporized 15 km from Srinagar. A massive French drop tank jettisoned over Pampore signaled mass retreat. The PAF did not pursue. The engagement ended.
https://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/1923387239741956282/photo/1
 
Aggregate said:
Let India willow in its own hate and make more and more enemies. They already had Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Srilanka, Maldives, the whole neighborhood against them. Now they are going out of their way to make enemies of Turkey and Azerbaijan too, after mibehaving with whole of Europe collectively by saying they do not need Europe.

Pakistanis meanwhile has good diplomatic relations and we travel and work in France & Russia, both of which supply India. We have no such kneejerk outbursts against others.

We are not even having to do any work to isolate India. India are destroying all of their international relations on their own. Good Job to them, Carry on.
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Irrational and uncontrolled hatred is like acid that erodes the container that contains it....
 
TallGuy said:
Thank you for writing english so i could understand!

your Bhatinda Rafale got hit while returning to base with gears out (that is the celebrated 190km kill)

i am atleast happy you acknowledge the loss of atleast 1
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irony is you still have not understood, english or not, your make it sound as if i was obligated to have you understand anything, I cant make work un-workable brains!

you seem happy being ignorant, quite an achievemet!
 
Yasser76 said:
Turks can do so much.

1) Ban Indian overflights. Indian airlines already banned to fly over Pak, banning them over Turkey will add another 2 hours or so to Western flights. Indian airlines will soon become economically unviable as Pakistan, Turkey, Ukraine air space all out of bounds.

2) Halt all NATO led security cooperation (they have Veto)

3) Obviously hit back on Indian exports

4) Recognise all Chinese claims on border disputes

5) May have done this already but grant Pak access to S-400
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So I had heard rumors that Turkey was going to sell its S400 battery to India and had Russias permission.
They had taken delivery but never activated the system. Guess that is out of the window if ever it was to transpire.


@Hakikat ve Hikmet any truth to it?
 
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