Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A key point needs to be remembered here. As india's attack on Pakistan unfolded, indian politicians, pundits and other prominent indians were claiming confidently that india was going to do to Pakistan what the israelis were doing to the Gazans. america and the west were silent and gave india a tacit nod of approval. IF india started genociding Pakistan and inflicting heavy damage, the west and america would look the other way and support india. But then something drastically went wrong for the indians and they started getting a humiliating battering from Pakistan and were being severely subdued by the Pakistan military. As a result the americans, had to step in in order to save india, their pet project against China. IF the indians were winning they would NEVER agree to a ceasefire.

india is 7× bigger than Pakistan and has the FULL backing and support from america, the West, russia and israel yet Pakistan STILL battered, humiliated and cucked india. NO other nation on earth can be militarily successful against those odds. Just let all that sink in.

 

[Baibers_1260]

I would like for India to not care about mazhabi matters at the state/political level, I really really would.

The trouble is, our people are overwhelmingly mazhabi, so politicians have to, and maybe they feel strongly about it themselves too.

With Ayodhya it was a particularly touchy thing because its supposed to be the birthplace of Ram Ji, and they say a temple had been demolished to create the structure.

Bad scene overall, but the Muslims got a nice new mosque and a lot of money to build it so not like they were shafted entirely, compensation bhi mila na.

Just to clarify on Ayodhya:
Neither the Archeological Survey of India in its excavation report, nor the Supreme Court in its decision mentioned any Hindu or Sanatani temple on the disputed site, Excavations revealed no idol fragments or carvings normally associated with temple demolitions. The temple site is not mentioned in any of the writings by medieval Hindu seers or writers most important of all Tulsi Das himself who translated the Ramayana. The excavations revealed faint traces of some sort of pre-existing structure possibly Jain or Buddhist which deteriorated into ruins and collapse dated ot an era much before the arrival of Babar
The Ramayana is a poem written by Valmiki and the original Vedas written thousands of years before the Ramayana make no mention of Lord Ram or even his earlier incarnation of Vishnu,
Ayodhya was settled by the Supreme Court on the issue of public belief and sentiments, not on legal jurisprudence.

The compensation of "land for a mosque " given to Muslims is irrelevant because the Muslims never asked for a compensation. As such the mosque has not been built because the district administration has rejected all architectural plans submitted and there is little likelihood of that ever happening.
Babri Masjid was not the only mosque demolished. Thousands of new mosques have been demolished all over the country either through so-called communal riots or bulldozed by the government as "punishment ".

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

India and Pakistan Talked Big, but Satellite Imagery Shows Limited Damage (Published 2025)

While the attacks were widespread, the damage was far more contained than both sides claimed.

www.nytimes.com

These are more clear pictures, I am expecting images from Chinese satelites also of claims and destructions.

Not seen yet.

you will get none from Chinese side, those are the terms of cease fire!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

A key point needs to be remembered here. As india's attack on Pakistan unfolded, indian politicians, pundits and other prominent indians were claiming confidently that india was going to do to Pakistan what the israelis were doing to the Gazans. america and the west were silent and gave india a tacit nod of approval. IF india started genociding Pakistan and inflicting heavy damage, the west and america would look the other way and support india. But then something drastically went wrong for the indians and they started getting a humiliating battering from Pakistan and were being severely subdued by the Pakistan military. As a result the americans, had to step in in order to save india, their pet project against China. IF the indians were winning they would NEVER agree to a ceasefire.

india is 7× bigger than Pakistan and has the FULL backing and support from america, the West, russia and israel yet Pakistan STILL battered, humiliated and cucked india. NO other nation on earth can be militarily successful against those odds. Just let all that sink in.

with so many false claims, one has to wonder, was there any thing ever solid. I mean, every where Indian foot print has risen, that place has started to deteriorate. Boeing, Google etc etc. seemingly, these Indians believe they are THE HANDS OF GOD!!!LOL

 

[Meengla]

From all that I have heard of PA briefings, I am sure PA does not want to overplay their hand, we had 10 planes in sight and we shot 5, we let India escalate for 3 days until we had no choice but to finally respond. Others are confirming S400 kills, we are not talking about it.

Remember that Indian Govt is under intense pressure. We never wanted this war and we do not want it now. Our economy is just starting to recover, our diplomacy is finally on a balance and we do not want a war at this point and fall back by 10 years again. Hence we do not want to embarrass the Indian govt to the point where it tips them over and they have no choice but to resume the war again. AVM Aurangzeb displayed one satellite image and then said he will not show the rest, viewers will eventually get it slowly. It was very obvious that he had more but it was decided not to overplay things at our side.

Our objective was to stop the Indians. Its achieved. India is doing it because they have to convince their unhappy public that something was done. Our public is happy and we have no need to do it when we have already achieved our objectives. There is no need for us to overdo it and rile up the Indian public about their Army's failures. It will achieve nothing.

Great post! Jingoistic people here need to carefully read what you are saying.

However, I will add one thing: If India does indeed launch another major attack on Pakistan then Pakistan should mobilize every part of Pakistan for a Do or Die conflict to settle this one and for all and Pakistan should take the Indian Occupied Kashmir back.

 

[Corax]

you will get none from Chinese side, those are the terms of cease fire!

Complete bullshit...show me evidence where this is part of the ceasefire terms. You Pakistanis are just as adept at making up complete bullshit and conspiracy theories as the Indians.

 

[r3alist]

Only UAE is openly friendly to Israel and even if one were to say that all gulf nations are 'openly courting Israel', then still the masses are hostile to Israel and that factor can't be ignored by India. And, btw, Israel's global image tanked only in last 18-20 months but the Indian two-faced policy about Palestine has been on for decades before that.
So, I repeat, it is the Indian trade/business interests otherwise India would be openly hostile to Palestinians and openly pro Israel. It is not even debatable. But when I say India, I don't mean all of India, not even all of Hindu India. The virus of religious bigotry is bad in northern India.

Yes I agree there, in the sense that there is obviously a difference in expression of opinion of the rulers versus the people, therefore it cannot become so blatant that even the average Arab becomes repulsed with India's position.

 

[FuturePAF]

Americans Europeans Chinese Japanese Korean everyone are hunting for rare earth critical minerals

Asim plays his cards right,he could get the economy on track

That’s just it. The fear is if there is no long term vision, everyone that gets into a position of power just wants to “get theirs” while they can.

Pakistan will sell raw material and not use it as a loss leader to bring industrialization to the country. For example some companies could say they are doing value added work with minerals, and are just spraying them with water to clean them up before exporting them.

We have to have a team that will read the fine project, negotiate hard and not expect profits early on, so industries can grow to their maximum potential.

 

[Baibers_1260]

@Meengla sb,

And woe to the GCC Arab countries for not kicking out the entire Indian diaspora and workers from their countries.

You are a thinking man. Ask yourself why GCC Arab countries are not kicking about the Indian diaspora and replace them with Pakistanis and BDs?

Regards

The only country kicking out Indian diaspora is USA. Chained like "Dunkees" on C-17 Galaxy flights to Amritsar

 

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[SoulSpokesman]

@Baibers_1260

The only country kicking out Indian diaspora is USA.

While it may be true (or not) that is beside the point. The Q is why are GCC Arabs not kicking out Indians?

Regards

 

[r3alist]

"the very most right wing factions are openly coming out to bat for Israel"

yes, that's a domestic Hindu-Muslim thing, Israel is an excuse.. IMs march in sapport of Palestine and those guys go full sapport Israel. Kinda silly, but that's what it is.

There were parallels between the two, Oct 7 and Pahalgam.. in that these Islamic extremists went and killed a bunch of people, brutal stuff.. there's stories of people being checked for circumcision before being shot point blank as their friends and families watched, horrific.

That said, Israel have lost the plot and have gone way overboard in their response to their attack. Their reputation has already taken a battering..

"Is India the soft target here?"

not sure what you meant to ask or implied there.

What I mean by soft target here, is that has India been coerced or influenced into taking Israeli adjacent positions?

Some of the language being used, seeks to frame Pakistan as if it were hamas.

Immediately after the tragic Kashmir attack, Indian media outlets were calling this their October event.

So therefore, soft target in this context means why does any part of India need to use a borrowed Israeli narrative, rather than their own?

That actually helps Israel, much more than it does India, as the Israeli narratives in any case is in the dirt these days

Tldr; does any of that make you pause for thought or concern

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Complete bullshit...show me evidence where this is part of the ceasefire terms. You Pakistanis are just as adept at making up complete bullshit and conspiracy theories as the Indians.

you show me the cease fire terms, in the first place ! how is it possible not even single satellite image even from Chinese sources have come out for the Fatah thrown on their bases?!

even in our press conference, we showed no images, hows that?!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Complete bullshit...show me evidence where this is part of the ceasefire terms. You Pakistanis are just as adept at making up complete bullshit and conspiracy theories as the Indians.

re. your conspiracy theories, find me the cease fire terms.

Thats the real bull shit and thats the real conspiracy theory